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[Bishop Steiner]

Clownwarlord, on 30 September 2016 - 08:28 AM, said:

Well it is, we got Justin's Wang but what we really wanted was Kai's! That way we get 1 more energy hard point.

Kai's is:
Right Arm: 1 Ballistic
Right Torso: NA
Center: 1 Energy
Left Torso: NA
Left Arm: 2 Energy

Also Kai's get a lot of clan style upgrades

Kai's Wang lobses one of the aspects that makes YLW work: Shield arm. YLW might be simple, but it's hardly mediocre. AC20, 2x MPL, 300xl, and life is good. When you put a scalpel out next to a bunch of combat knives, samurai swords, etc, it looks downright unimpressive.

But in the hands of a surgeon? It's precise, and does the job juuuuuust so.

I'll happily let folk keep thing quantity beats quality.

[627]

Bishop Steiner, on 30 September 2016 - 07:12 AM, said:

You just call my Wang mediocre? I keel you.

nah, read again, "at that time" - I'm aware that it was only a snarky remark but the fact still stands that there was a *big* rabble when it was announced. Sure, taking away the AH didn't help either. However when it finally arrived it was looked down by most players and it took nearly a year till the forum finally appreciated what people can do with their wangs when they build em right.

[Bishop Steiner]

627, on 30 September 2016 - 12:20 PM, said:

nah, read again, "at that time" - I'm aware that it was only a snarky remark but the fact still stands that there was a *big* rabble when it was announced. Sure, taking away the AH didn't help either. However when it finally arrived it was looked down by most players and it took nearly a year till the forum finally appreciated what people can do with their wangs when they build em right.

just proving most of the forums were... well, less educated than they thought.

I was plenty annoyed they stupidly took away my AH... but recall at the time, everyone felt the CN9 was sub standard, period, and the best medium was the HBK-4SP. Then people went stupid over Zombie Cents.

I was the guy who bought YLW serial #000001 and immediately went out kicking butt and taking names with it. Heck, only thing that ever got changed on my build since it's intro was adding DHS. Even Wispsy didn't underestimate what the Wang could do.

Edited by Bishop Steiner, 30 September 2016 - 12:31 PM.

[N0ni]

I'll never forget the salt and tears of teammates shooting off the AC20 arm of my YLW and raging in chat at the start of a match when the AH disappeared.

[Bishop Steiner]

N0ni, on 30 September 2016 - 12:50 PM, said:

I'll never forget the salt and tears of teammates shooting off the AC20 arm of my YLW and raging in chat at the start of a match when the AH disappeared.

pity too many people stared then, just like they do now. It had the best torso twist in the Medium class at the time. The idea is to twist, shoot ac20 and MPL, twist back, take return fire on shield arm. I used to love seeing me Zombie Cents. They usually didn't twist well either, making it easy to take their LT off with my ac20 before they ever got into SRM range. (or leg em and kill them at my leisure)

Seems liek 3 years later, that still eludes a lot of people.

[Rock Roller]

People asked for them. They said they were coming. Isn't most of the anger spurned by their release because we all hoped for something else?

Personally I am fine with them being released. I was hoping for weapons or more maps and a bit let down. Then I revised that Russ said very little and we ran away with our hopes.

Anyway, we all know that more content should at least include a new light mech release. That mech should include one new weapon ERSL, ERML or light PPC.

Next heavy or assault should include the light engine.

Next patch all old maps get re-added. PUG map selection moved to random.

IS mechs remain over quirked. All Omni mechs drop and when the map is known they can change out 2 omni pods

Matches moved to 8 very 8.

Match scores have same metrics but goal completion weighted heavier.

ED. Massive public test and vote.

FW: BUCKETS!!!! COULDN'T RESIST.

Bottom 5 mechs identified for balancing pass. Goal is not to make a new God mechs but a upgrade to a good mid point or a high performer in a niche roll.

Problems all solved.

[Ghogiel]

BLOOD WOLF, on 30 September 2016 - 03:37 AM, said:

"we", I don't know who exactly your talking about. Do you mean when they announced the first hero, there was pushback? Can't imagine why.

IIRC they removed the CN9 AH to make people buy the wang so they could AC20 on a cent. And that was the only reason it was removed.
Granted we did eventually get the AH back again... like 2-3 years later.

[C E Dwyer]

Ghogiel, on 30 September 2016 - 02:23 PM, said:

IIRC they removed the CN9 AH to make people buy the wang so they could AC20 on a cent. And that was the only reason it was removed.
Granted we did eventually get the AH back again... like 2-3 years later.

Yup this was why there was push back, not so much that it was added, but the removal of the AH.

We got the AH back as a 'loyalty' reward and then a C-bill mech once PGI realised that the buying of Yen Lo Wang had flat lined

[9thDeathscream]

I recon that the Summoner will be a nice challenge. Love that mech.

Question: Are these Heroes a true representation of Lore?

[Bishop Steiner]

Cathy, on 30 September 2016 - 02:36 PM, said:

Yup this was why there was push back, not so much that it was added, but the removal of the AH.

We got the AH back as a 'loyalty' reward and then a C-bill mech once PGI realised that the buying of Yen Lo Wang had flat lined

and tbh, I really doubt it would have mattered to sales... YLW was released..CN9s were hardly the popular chassis they would become. And the AH and YLW are such opposite beasts, despite the AC20... The engine differences and the missiles vs lasers made for two distinct playstyles. (especially as the AH was limited to a 260 I think still when it was removed)

I do forget but didn't the YLW also have a little lower Engine cap when introduced?

[Ghogiel]

Bishop Steiner, on 30 September 2016 - 02:39 PM, said:

I do forget but didn't the YLW also have a little lower Engine cap when introduced?

Very possible.

It's a long time ago but I seem to recall that when engine restrictions came in there was a minor and quickly resoved snafu about light and meds getting fubared by that and hunchies had something like 250-260 max engine restrictions and similarly with other mechs like cents that came with 200STDs as stock. Which was later buffed to 275s

[Ghogiel]

Kharonn, on 30 September 2016 - 02:39 PM, said:

Question: Are these Heroes a true representation of Lore?

Techically yes.. via retcon. PGI created hero mechs have been recently canonized by CGL into battletech lore so sayeth Randall Bills.

Most heroes are PGI fabrications. Some are kinda based on lore predating PGIs involvement with the franchise, but only a handful in comparision to the number PGI created. But they are all canon lore, the only distinction to be made between them is whether they are PGI created or predate MWO.

[9thDeathscream]

Ghogiel, on 30 September 2016 - 02:55 PM, said:

Techically yes.. via retcon. PGI created hero mechs have been recently canonized by CGL into battletech lore so sayeth Randall Bills.

Most heroes are PGI fabrications. Some are kinda based on lore predating PGIs involvement with the franchise, but only a handful in comparision to the number PGI created. But they are all canon lore, the only distinction to be made between them is whether they are PGI created or predate MWO.

Thanks.

[Bishop Steiner]

Ghogiel, on 30 September 2016 - 02:47 PM, said:

Very possible.

It's a long time ago but I seem to recall that when engine restrictions came in there was a minor and quickly resoved snafu about light and meds getting fubared by that and hunchies had something like 250-260 max engine restrictions and similarly with other mechs like cents that came with 200STDs as stock. Which was later buffed to 275s

yeah, just can't remember when...and don't feel like crawling patch notes. But YLW comes with a 215.... so it was probably a 275-290 range, originally. I wanna say that might have been done in whenever it was they decided to boost Medium Mech agility to make them more "viable"... might also be when engines got rounded up.

One of those ideas, like Quirks that might have been a success..if they hadn't decided that a little here and there was good, so lets just flood everything with with it!

*sigh*

[Lyoto Machida]

BLOOD WOLF, on 30 September 2016 - 04:57 AM, said:

wasn't around for the first hero.

You didn't need to be around for it to realize it. Just think of the possibilities of why people would have some sort of negative reaction towards things in game that you can only buy with real cash...

If you can't figure it out, maybe sleep on it and meditate on it again the next day once your mind is more clear and at peace.

[JadePanther]

i wrote something nice about the hero mechs coming from the actual lore.. but then the webiste timed me out before i could post it and it went poof into vapor... WTG PGI YOU SUCK..

[Mister Blastman]

[BLOOD WOLF]

Lyoto Machida, on 30 September 2016 - 05:20 PM, said:

You didn't need to be around for it to realize it. Just think of the possibilities of why people would have some sort of negative reaction towards things in game that you can only buy with real cash...

what could you buy that's not in game with cash?

[CycKath]

Ghogiel, on 30 September 2016 - 02:55 PM, said:

Techically yes.. via retcon. PGI created hero mechs have been recently canonized by CGL into battletech lore so sayeth Randall Bills.

Most heroes are PGI fabrications. Some are kinda based on lore predating PGIs involvement with the franchise, but only a handful in comparision to the number PGI created. But they are all canon lore, the only distinction to be made between them is whether they are PGI created or predate MWO.

Not quite. Randall has stated the hero Mech fluff that he himself has written for PGI is canon for TT. Hasn't said anything about the stats or fluff that pre-dated the Classics.