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i get 20-30ms in europe an 100-115ms on the NA server which is totally playable and there is no real lag or rubberbanding.

Oceanic starts usually at 300ms and that is to much, everyone teleports and hitting someone is like rolling dice...well battletech is all about that, isn't it?

However, I see lags even on EU servers even when all have low ping. Servers are not that stable over the last weeks so there are other isssues beside ping.

[Druarc]

120 well I'd love to get that on any of the servers, must be nice to have the choice.

[adamts01]

Samurai 7, on 08 October 2016 - 09:04 AM, said:

My problem is that i have a 75 ping; and when i shoot someone with a 200 ping nothing happens. I would say about 80% of my shots go wasted. If i shoot someone with 80 ping its more like 30%; So why should i get punished because of someone else? Its just a intensive for me and other people like me not to play. Or its a intensive for me to start cheating by using a WANEM to artificially make my ping higher to just compete.
I would love for them to fix hit reg, but its a problem going on since they went to 12 man teams and is not getting any better.
What every one is suggesting is 'the lag is making the game better because you live longer' I think thats a piss poor argument. If the problem is that people die to fast then they need to adjust the dmg ratio. Either double armor or halve the dmg of weapons across the board.

I dont mind when its a hand full of players. But we are talking more than half the game is high ping. you can still have that ethnic diversity, just at a lower scale.

Hit reg in this game is pretty incredible compared to others. I moved from California to the Philippines about a year and a half ago and I honestly haven't had a problem with the ping to NA. 2 years ago you might have had a case, but these days if you miss it's pretty much on you. Crazy high ping, 400ms? Yeah, that starts to suck, but ~200ms? No problem. Great hit reg is one of the few things I have to give PGI credit for.

[Chicken Salt]

I am totally blowen away by samurai7. I was wondering if you owned a globe or at least have seen a map that extends past north America. It might shock you to know that there are other countries and in those countries there are people who love to play mechwarrior. What your saying is only those located near North America should have a good connection to this game.

If you are saying keep n America, Europe and ocianic to Thier own locked server groups what you have to remember is. You reduce player population by say as an eg 1/3 and then further by tiers. As I understand the tier 1s right now have to get lower tier matchs as it is.

I don't expect you to understand as you seem to only care about what effects you and best supports your gaming.

I'm sorry if this comes off angry or to strong but wow. Didn't think these people where still out there

[Peter2k]

Samurai 7, on 08 October 2016 - 02:50 PM, said:

The problem is not just ping, its also load; During peak hours the number of matches going on overwhelms the 2 gaming servers they are using in NA.
Either way, the game becomes unplayable at times, so right now it doesnt madder to me if 10 people play or 10000.. Its the same result.

You can tell me to go eff my self all you want, it still doesnt solve the problem. The attrition rate will just keep climbing and the game will die with or with out locking people.

You should really edit the title of the thread
You want regional servers only as default, and only after long wait times the other servers reachable

You're title reads as

It's time to remove the option to choose a regional server


That being said
Hope you don't think PGI runs one server in they're basement that the game runs on

If you want to convince PGI to rent more server capacity this is not the way to gather people behind you

I'd like to think that if I have chosen NA and EU that the MM tries to put me on the closer one if he can

Though I kinda would like a confirmation on this, don't recall reading that it is indeed so

[Bohxim]

Well there is the option to just select EU and nothing else. Then you'll be locked to EU games only. As an oceanic player, I get average 250 ping on NA and 300+ , sometimes 500 on EU. So I usually play NA and oceanic only. but even at the higher pings of 4-500 I rarely see people teleport around and only component dmg seems to be slightly affected by ping. Lights may be a little spray and pray but otherwise, due to the slow nature of MWO, it's still tolerable mostly.

[Captain Stiffy]

Samurai 7, on 08 October 2016 - 08:33 AM, said:

Sorry, But this has to be done. European players are flooding the NA servers at almost every hour of the day now. Almost every game I play has something between 12 and 14 players with 120+ ping and at least 4 or more in the 300s.
The high pings and greater server loads are causing hit reg to regress to points where its not even worth playing as a NA player. Add in the rubber banding and lag and the game is just not fun, it frustrating.
They put up EU and Pac servers for a reason, time to start using them.
I dont mind if they cant find a game after 1 min then it switches over to the next server, but it cant be the default anymore.

There are obviously a lot of other problems that need to be fixed with this game, but lets start there as it should be a simple fix.

/Rant

This effectively would put AU and Asia in a pool together. Then you'd just have people using proxies to play US anyway.

But as much as the aussies seem to ***** about US they sure love our queue. Guess there's something to being successful and having control of your government.

Oh what? You do? What about your internet? Take that back, yet? Kiwis are showing you up in every way in the last 20 years.

[Tarogato]

I don't like the regional server selection at the moment either. I feel like if enough people have chosen all three severs, it just builds a match with them and puts them on a random server. Imo, after building a match normally, the host should take the average ping of all players to all servers and select the best server based on that, regardless of player preference. This way you can't have Oceanic or EU primetime matches on NA server where everybody in the match has 300+ ping for no reason other than "but they said they didn't care which server!"

[Duatam]

I think people here are missing a big reason why some of us Europeans play on NA server: The difference in communication and play style.

I play almost exclusively on NA servers these days, even though I'm European, because for me, immersion is a huge part of the game play experience. The way this game is played on European servers pretty much kills the immersion for me. I've given it many tries now, and every time I end up feeling like I'm just wasting my time, and untick the European checkbox again.

On European servers, in majority of matches there is no communication or team play. The game play is very stagnant with most people standing back and firing their long range weapons for the majority of the match duration. People are so used to this peek-a-boo solo play style and have built their mechs accordingly, so it's very hard to try to lead the team into a push etc.

On NA servers it is like playing a whole different game. People communicate, the teamwork is great. If I use microphone, take a lead and lay out a plan, most (usually all) of the team will play along and work with the plan. If I'm boating LRMs and get attacked by lights, I know that when I call for help on microphone, people will respond and come to my aid.

On NA server I've experienced the best brawls and most intense fights. Just a few days ago when my team was in a big brawl with the enemy, someone in my team was so immersed in the game that he was screaming from the bottom of his lungs "ECHO ECHO ECHO!!". He later apologized, but for me he just made me feel like I'm in the middle of intense battle and just helped to increase the feeling of immersion. Unfortunately on European servers you just don't get these experiences.

I know many other Europeans (especially the ones who like to use microphone and communicate) have stopped playing on European servers for the same reason. This has been talked in a few threads before. Here are some quotes from another thread:

Tristan Winter, on 16 September 2016 - 12:42 PM, said:

It's not just the lack of communication. The entire playstyle is different.... on the European server, there's a lot more cautious play.

Random Carnage, on 16 September 2016 - 01:45 PM, said:

The main frustration I have is with the difference in play style. Euro's appear to be very timid, preferring a sit an wait approach

justcallme A S H, on 16 September 2016 - 02:08 PM, said:

a 15min sniper fest where no-one wants to actually do anything and everyone runs as soon as they get shot at.

[LordNothing]

i have to check all of them to get games in a reasonable time frame.

[Scratx]

I keep Oceanic out of my selection for ping reasons, otherwise I'd leave even that enabled. There's no real reason to keep NA/EU apart given latency is usually very good.

Region locking makes little sense in MWO's case, it would only hurt it. The tech is in to largely offset latency issues already, so the technical side of things isn't a problem.

So.... yeah, what the heck would region locking improve? All it would do is give PGI the ability to set different prices for different regions at the cost of cutting the player base into three distinct, wholly separate buckets.

[Thunder Child]

So, what you are saying Samurai 7, is that anyone with a ping over 120 should be banned from the game?
I'm from New Zealand, and I don't get a ping of less than 180 to the Oceanic server, let alone NA. My NA Ping averages about 240 (which never seems to be a problem for the >100 Pings hitting me), and I've disabled the European option as I'm over 300 there, and while the under 200s hit me fine, I find the delay on my mech reacting to commands makes it very hard for me to hit or evade. On EU, I have to torso twist before I even SEE the enemy, to be able to spread damage.

But no, I don't think forcing people to play on their "local" server is a good idea. Especially as I know there are some Oceanic players that get better ping to the NA server than they do the OC.

[Mystere]

Considering the OP seems to have abandoned this thread, I think it's time to close it. I suggest everyone also request it be closed.

Edited by Mystere, 09 October 2016 - 03:45 PM.

[adamts01]

Peter2k, on 09 October 2016 - 03:54 AM, said:

I'd like to think that if I have chosen NA and EU that the MM tries to put me on the closer one if he can

Though I kinda would like a confirmation on this, don't recall reading that it is indeed so

That's not how it works. I'm in the Philippines and gave up many times trying to get a match on the 40ms Oceanic server. So I selected NA also and quickly got a match..... of all Oceanic players..... It's a joke.

[SpectreHD]

Lukoi Banacek, on 08 October 2016 - 10:27 AM, said:

I play against people with all of these high pings and dont have the OP described hit reg problem at all. Might be less the games hitreg is degenerating and more OP has a potential technical problem (packet loss?).

Sorry yer having technical probs Samurai, but your anecdotal experience doesnt merit your proposed alternative at all.

Bohxim, on 09 October 2016 - 03:55 AM, said:

Well there is the option to just select EU and nothing else. Then you'll be locked to EU games only. As an oceanic player, I get average 250 ping on NA and 300+ , sometimes 500 on EU. So I usually play NA and oceanic only. but even at the higher pings of 4-500 I rarely see people teleport around and only component dmg seems to be slightly affected by ping. Lights may be a little spray and pray but otherwise, due to the slow nature of MWO, it's still tolerable mostly.

Exactly. As a player from Oceania, I have NA and Oceania enabled. Average 270 and 50 pings respectively and I have NO problems whatsoever playing MWO when it puts me on either server. I would probably turn on EU just to see how different it is with 400 pings.

herself again, on 08 October 2016 - 03:11 PM, said:

Get rid of HSR, reinstate convergence, let the newbies learn to lag shoot like the vets all did. Then the only issue with servers is reading your opponent's ping and yours via <Tab> before the match starts. As is, it's HSR + lag that causes the problems IMHO.

[Samurai 7]

Mystere, on 09 October 2016 - 03:43 PM, said:

Considering the OP seems to have abandoned this thread, I think it's time to close it. I suggest everyone also request it be closed.

I havent abandon it; Its just so many people keep missing the point;
Everyone says 'if you lock me to my regional server i will quit because it sucks' Instead of facing the real issue of 'if it sucks then it needs to be fixed' Otherwise there is no point in having them. Then i say to remove them and people get all flustered about removing them, even if it means more money for PGI to use towards more NA servers.
So really the community doenst really know what to do.
99% of my time is in ac40 jager. About 50-70% of my shots go completely unregistered. If i wait until the end of the game when there are less less people then the hit reg increases dramatically.
I have tried switching to other builds and its all the same result. So no, it has nothing to do with my ping or my PC's performance or anything else like that.
With a 75; i find that when i get hit, i always register the proper damage. If i hit them, well not so much. So while all the EU people might be having a great time, there are bound to be players in NA like me that are having a really crappy time.
People say they want to play on the NA servers because of the verity of players, But all i have seen lately is the NA servers turning in EU East. Every game on Saturday had about 14-16 EU players and 10 or less NA players. When half the player population is playing the wrong server then its only a madder of time before you have the same experience on the NA servers as the EU and Oceanic are abandon completely.

Instead of attacking the OP maybe as a community we need to decide how to actually fix the problem and present it to PGI rather than just flick me off and walk away, though i guess thats the new american way.... so, eto piz`dets for our Russian Friends

Edited by Samurai 7, 10 October 2016 - 07:46 AM.

[Deathlike]

Samurai 7, on 10 October 2016 - 07:46 AM, said:

I havent abandon it; Its just so many people keep missing the point;
Everyone says 'if you lock me to my regional server i will quit because it sucks' Instead of facing the real issue of 'if it sucks then it needs to be fixed' Otherwise there is no point in having them. Then i say to remove them and people get all flustered about removing them, even if it means more money for PGI to use towards more NA servers.
So really the community doenst really know what to do.

That's not something PGI is actively doing or discussing.

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99% of my time is in ac40 jager. About 50-70% of my shots go completely unregistered. If i wait until the end of the game when there are less less people then the hit reg increases dramatically.
I have tried switching to other builds and its all the same result. So no, it has nothing to do with my ping or my PC's performance or anything else like that.
With a 75; i find that when i get hit, i always register the proper damage. If i hit them, well not so much. So while all the EU people might be having a great time, there are bound to be players in NA like me that are having a really crappy time.
People say they want to play on the NA servers because of the verity of players, But all i have seen lately is the NA servers turning in EU East. Every game on Saturday had about 14-16 EU players and 10 or less NA players. When half the player population is playing the wrong server then its only a madder of time before you have the same experience on the NA servers as the EU and Oceanic are abandon completely.

To be fair, I don't think server usage has increased, rather servers are being taken down to "conserve" on costs instead.

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Instead of attacking the OP maybe as a community we need to decide how to actually fix the problem and present it to PGI rather than just flick me off and walk away, though i guess thats the new american way.... so, eto piz`dets for our Russian Friends

Forcing server locations is bad unless you have a vast array of server locales... which isn't even the case.

[Scout Derek]

Samurai 7, on 10 October 2016 - 07:46 AM, said:

I havent abandon it; Its just so many people keep missing the point;
Everyone says 'if you lock me to my regional server i will quit because it sucks' Instead of facing the real issue of 'if it sucks then it needs to be fixed' Otherwise there is no point in having them. Then i say to remove them and people get all flustered about removing them, even if it means more money for PGI to use towards more NA servers.
So really the community doenst really know what to do.
99% of my time is in ac40 jager. About 50-70% of my shots go completely unregistered. If i wait until the end of the game when there are less less people then the hit reg increases dramatically.
I have tried switching to other builds and its all the same result. So no, it has nothing to do with my ping or my PC's performance or anything else like that.
With a 75; i find that when i get hit, i always register the proper damage. If i hit them, well not so much. So while all the EU people might be having a great time, there are bound to be players in NA like me that are having a really crappy time.
People say they want to play on the NA servers because of the verity of players, But all i have seen lately is the NA servers turning in EU East. Every game on Saturday had about 14-16 EU players and 10 or less NA players. When half the player population is playing the wrong server then its only a madder of time before you have the same experience on the NA servers as the EU and Oceanic are abandon completely.

Instead of attacking the OP maybe as a community we need to decide how to actually fix the problem and present it to PGI rather than just flick me off and walk away, though i guess thats the new american way.... so, eto piz`dets for our Russian Friends

"When people do not respect us we are sharply offended; yet in his private heart no man much respects himself."

[Baelfire]

I have no problems to kill Mechs with NA ping on the EU server and people seem to have no problem to kill me and my godmode ping of 130 on the NA server. If the OP was right Na players should have this advantage too if they play on the EU server and that is not the case, as far as i'm concerned.

Whatever the problems are, they are not related to the ping difference. I doubt that most people can even feel the difference between a ping of 75 and a ping of 120-130 at all.

Edit: I have played on the oceanic server as well and while you actually feel the huge ping, the hits themselves still register. It just takes a few milliseconds more until the hit gets confirmed by the flashing crosshair.

Edited by Baelfire, 10 October 2016 - 08:17 PM.

[Tier5 Kerensky]

Has this been said already? Because of this thread I thought to try since why not, I'm in europe so I get lower ping for EU server, but haven't really paid any attention to it. I don't see the higher ping to matter so much.

So I selected only EU server. But, I still end up into US server too. Normally I don't look at it but sometimes I ge disconnected and when you return to fight, you will see the server on the match selection box easily.

So the selection seems to be a "preference", not a hard, forced selection. The fight forms in about 10-60 seconds anyway, really haven't paid so much attenttion to it since the actual loading takes so long time anyway I come to forum.