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[Lightfoot]

Yeonne Greene, on 20 October 2016 - 08:43 AM, said:

King Crab, Dire Wolf, and Warhawk would like a word with you on that...

Exactly my point. Those are all 90-100 ton assault mechs. Try getting the same LRM treatment in a 50 ton medium. Like I say, just guessing at the size of the top facing CT by the effect of the LRMs.

[Angel of Annihilation]

kuma8877, on 20 October 2016 - 10:20 AM, said:

The height is a speed perception thing. The taller the vantage point, the slower the perceived motion, even if the speed of travel is the same.

No it is much more than that. I am judging by how fast the mech can extract itself from a bad situation and the Huntsman is far slower at doing it than the Nova or the the Crow. For example, if you peek in a Crow and find more enemy there than you were expecting, it is very fast to break and reverse accelerate. The Huntsman on the other hand seems to respond much more sluggishly both in breaking and the reverse accelerating. Also on of the characteristics of the Stormcrow is that it can climb slopes like a mountain goat while the Huntsman seems to bleed speed very quickly. Part of that is due to the higher top speed of the Crow but the loss of speed when climbing and the acceleration/deceleration has nothing to do with speed.

Also as I found out and mentioned, the Nova has the "Small" movement profile which means without quirks, it has the same movement profile as an Arctic Cheetah in terms of agility, climbing, turning, etc. This is of course why I feel the huge difference between how the mechs handle.

[kuma8877]

Viktor Drake, on 20 October 2016 - 03:04 PM, said:

No it is much more than that. I am judging by how fast the mech can extract itself from a bad situation and the Huntsman is far slower at doing it than the Nova or the the Crow. For example, if you peek in a Crow and find more enemy there than you were expecting, it is very fast to break and reverse accelerate. The Huntsman on the other hand seems to respond much more sluggishly both in breaking and the reverse accelerating. Also on of the characteristics of the Stormcrow is that it can climb slopes like a mountain goat while the Huntsman seems to bleed speed very quickly. Part of that is due to the higher top speed of the Crow but the loss of speed when climbing and the acceleration/deceleration has nothing to do with speed.

Also as I found out and mentioned, the Nova has the "Small" movement profile which means without quirks, it has the same movement profile as an Arctic Cheetah in terms of agility, climbing, turning, etc. This is of course why I feel the huge difference between how the mechs handle.

I was just defining the effect and how it may play into our perception of speed. Just pointing out how it can and does effect us as humans. It is relevant, but more how it may be augmenting an underlying cause or difference. To me it just feels like a different mech (I think that's a good thing), and I drive it and try to use it as such, rather than expecting it to feel just like another successful mech in it's class. Maybe just me, but it's been fairly good at damage output and longevity even with everyone trying their damnedest to take me out. I like it alot, CT issues aside (I don't find them that bad myself).

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kuma8877, on 20 October 2016 - 03:36 PM, said:

I was just defining the effect and how it may play into our perception of speed. Just pointing out how it can and does effect us as humans. It is relevant, but more how it may be augmenting an underlying cause or difference. To me it just feels like a different mech (I think that's a good thing), and I drive it and try to use it as such, rather than expecting it to feel just like another successful mech in it's class. Maybe just me, but it's been fairly good at damage output and longevity even with everyone trying their damnedest to take me out. I like it alot, CT issues aside (I don't find them that bad myself).

Ok fair enough and your absolutely right about the perception thing by the way.

Also as I am playing the mech more and more I would like to reduce my complaint to just the CT. I can deal with the agility but still feel that something needs to be done to the CT to make it less squishy.

[Y E O N N E]

Viktor Drake, on 20 October 2016 - 04:58 PM, said:

Ok fair enough and your absolutely right about the perception thing by the way.

Also as I am playing the mech more and more I would like to reduce my complaint to just the CT. I can deal with the agility but still feel that something needs to be done to the CT to make it less squishy.

+10 to +15 structure?

I'd be okay with that, so long as the PRIME loses its beam duration quirk in the process.

[Davegt27]

when I first started MWO one of the trial Mechs was the Shadow Hawk
well to me that mech just felt to heavy for its size and the BlackJack became my favorite medium Mech
if you kept your speed up it was fun to play

The Huntsman is a good Mech like the Shadow Hawk but feels heavy on the controls
and I know this is all perception but after they are mastered they will probably go in to the barn to collect cob webs

I am not asking for anything just giving my thought on this Mech

*I did end up buying some Shadow Hawks for scouting
I had to since its a 55 ton Mech

[Lightfoot]

Too squishy. Mastered it, but not going to use it ever. MWO just can't get the Medium mechs right. Lights, usually good to superb, same with Heavies. MWO's Mediums usually fall below the Lights in durability and certainly below the Heavies. Sure the Lights have less armor, but you won't hit them very often so they are tougher than the Mediums. Huntsman is in need of being harder to hit, but it will never get fixed.

So yeah, no pre-order Modules, no quirks if you use the omnipods, terrible hitboxes too often. I think I will just skip the pre-order and buy the mechs if and when they work in the game.

[Phra]

Viktor Drake, on 20 October 2016 - 03:04 PM, said:

Also as I found out and mentioned, the Nova has the "Small" movement profile which means without quirks, it has the same movement profile as an Arctic Cheetah in terms of agility, climbing, turning, etc. This is of course why I feel the huge difference between how the mechs handle.

Movement profile only affects hill climb %, has nothing to do with agility or turning.

Edited by Phra, 22 October 2016 - 12:54 PM.

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Yeonne Greene, on 20 October 2016 - 06:56 PM, said:

+10 to +15 structure? I'd be okay with that, so long as the PRIME loses its beam duration quirk in the process.

Honestly I am ok with that. Beam duration can be nice but it also can really mess up your heat profile as well since with a faster beam duration you also have a faster re-fire rate on the laser. Considering how generally hot most Huntsman build tend to run, it might actually help people manage the heat more efficiently if the Quirk wasn't there.

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Phra, on 22 October 2016 - 12:54 PM, said:

Movement profile only affects hill climb %, has nothing to do with agility or turning.

This is true but you have to consider that when you walking along in your mech, you are constantly traveling up and down small slopes and this means that a Small movement profile will have better speed retention than a Medium profile. This ability to retain speed does actually assist with turning and agility. Also if your trying to move from a dead stop and you have a slope you need to deal with, a Small movement profile is going allow for greater acceleration than a Medium profile.

However, I guess the real major difference we are seeing between the Huntsman and the Nova are due to the massive amount of agility quirks that the Nova enjoys.