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[Xoxim SC]

Dear PGI, could you please bring back the phoenix package with the Locust-Battlemaster so I could buy it.

Thanks,

The Lightbringer.

[Deathlike]

Just no.

I don't want to rehash all the old arguments, but the base argument is when you advertise "for a limited time only", it needs to stay that way.

Edited by Deathlike, 22 October 2016 - 09:46 AM.

[Bishop Steiner]

nope.

At least not AS the Phoenix Bundle. Honestly could care less about the Bundle itself, or the mechs being offered. Do care about PGI breaking another promise.

Edited by Bishop Steiner, 22 October 2016 - 09:25 AM.

[Aleski]

It has been already vote by the community :

The answer was no.


You really don't have enough mechpack to buy right now ?

[Spheroid]

Why? The Locust mastery bundle is better than the Talon package. There are a lot of lemons in phoenix.

Edited by Spheroid, 22 October 2016 - 09:26 AM.

[Alistair Winter]

I would love for it to go back on sale. But the community didn't want it, when PGI went out and let people vote on it. I don't usually disagree with the community, but when I do, it's about dumb sh*t like this.

[Bishop Steiner]

Aleski, on 22 October 2016 - 09:25 AM, said:

It has been already vote by the community :

The answer was no.


You really don't have enough mechpack to buy right now ?

Voted on by the community TWICE, already I believe. Although at the rate the old guard are jumping ship, there might indeed be enough gone to sway the vote to yes, by now.

That said, with all the Meta shifts and powercreep since 2013? Anyone buying them is going to be largely disappointed. Especially if you want a UAC on your Shadowhawk 5M. Which is really dumb, since the 5M carries a UAC5 STOCK.

Alistair Winter, on 22 October 2016 - 09:27 AM, said:

I would love for it to go back on sale. But the community didn't want it, when PGI went out and let people vote on it. I don't usually disagree with the community, but when I do, it's about dumb sh*t like this.

About dumbshit like PGI saying "limited time only" and actually being expected to stick to it?

[Alistair Winter]

Bishop Steiner, on 22 October 2016 - 09:29 AM, said:

About dumbshit like PGI saying "limited time only" and actually being expected to stick to it?

Yes, that's pretty much the dumbest thing I can think of. Because people aren't willing to admit what's really going on. People are saying "Hey, I'd love for you to have those mechs, but unfortunately, we have to force PGI to keep their word, because making false promises is so wrong". That's the logic of a 7-year-old.

What's actually going on is this:
People bought special limited edition mechs because they wanted to feel special. If more people get to have those mechs, they aren't as special. Anyone who bought those mechs because they were limited edition, they need to just own up to their special snowlake-ism. You want to be a special snowflake. I get it. But just admit it.

Anyone who doesn't care about having the limited edition mechs, but just want to punish PGI for all the bad things they did: your bitterness and salt is preventing other people from buying the toys they want. That's also dumb, in my book.

Anyone who claims to not care about having special, limited edition mechs, yet still pretends they want PGI to keep their word because it's the "principle" of the thing:

At least PGI is finally selling official special snowflake cockpit items for everyone. It's just a shame they didn't go all out.

[Xoxim SC]

I don't see what the big deal is? It's more money in their pocket....

[martian]

Todd Lightbringer, on 22 October 2016 - 09:17 AM, said:

Dear PGI, could you please bring back the phoenix package with the Locust-Battlemaster so I could buy it.

Thanks,

The Lightbringer.

Check this official poll:

https://mwomercs.com/phoenix-poll


As you can see, the majority of MWO players voted for the Phoenix Pack to stay exclusive - exactly as promised by PGI originally.

[Bishop Steiner]

Alistair Winter, on 22 October 2016 - 09:41 AM, said:

Yes, that's pretty much the dumbest thing I can think of. Because people aren't willing to admit what's really going on. People are saying "Hey, I'd love for you to have those mechs, but unfortunately, we have to force PGI to keep their word, because making false promises is so wrong". That's the logic of a 7-year-old.

What's actually going on is this:
People bought special limited edition mechs because they wanted to feel special. If more people get to have those mechs, they aren't as special. Anyone who bought those mechs because they were limited edition, they need to just own up to their special snowlake-ism. You want to be a special snowflake. I get it. But just admit it.

Anyone who doesn't care about having the limited edition mechs, but just want to punish PGI for all the bad things they did: your bitterness and salt is preventing other people from buying the toys they want. That's also dumb, in my book.

Anyone who claims to not care about having special, limited edition mechs, yet still pretends they want PGI to keep their word because it's the "principle" of the thing:


At least PGI is finally selling official special snowflake cockpit items for everyone. It's just a shame they didn't go all out.

Cool Story. Perhaps it is why you say, for some, perhaps not. But maybe you should look up what "limited time sale" means.

I could say you sound like someone who is simply salty you abstained, and all that jazz too, I suppose. Probably about as legit as your claim, anyhow.

Especially since... let's see... umm... all the Phoenix Mechs are available for CBills, and um, oh yeah, 99% of them kind of suck? How many LCT-1V, SHD-2H, TDR-5S, BLR-1G do you see running around, leading the Meta Field? Let alone WVR-6R and GRF-1Ns.

Yes, indeed. And I freely have stated from the get go: If PGI want's to make the Pack available, sans the "Limited time offer" Phoenix Stuff? They absolutely should. But the Geometry, Paint, etc? Nope.

Let me guess, They should also go and screw the Founders a little more and resell those packs, too, right?

Todd Lightbringer, on 22 October 2016 - 09:42 AM, said:

I don't see what the big deal is? It's more money in their pocket....

"Limited Time Only"

Aka, bring back the package, as the Phoenix Package, you just lied/committed consumer fraud to every single customer who bought it.

"Each package delivers both the Phoenix BattleMechs of each unique chassis type, plus two Standard Variants. See the package details here for the full readout on the package contents that accompany each tier. Project Phoenix will be available for a limited time only and once vaulted, these packages will never be made available again! A FAQ of the project can be found here. An official feedback thread can be found here."

taken from here: http://mwomercs.com/...phoenix-leaked/

Edited by Bishop Steiner, 22 October 2016 - 10:27 AM.

[Deathlike]

Alistair Winter, on 22 October 2016 - 09:41 AM, said:

Yes, that's pretty much the dumbest thing I can think of. Because people aren't willing to admit what's really going on. People are saying "Hey, I'd love for you to have those mechs, but unfortunately, we have to force PGI to keep their word, because making false promises is so wrong". That's the logic of a 7-year-old.

The thing about promises is that if you don't keep them, people won't trust what you have to say.

I'm not saying you can't break promises... you have to live with the consequences of doing so.

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What's actually going on is this:
People bought special limited edition mechs because they wanted to feel special. If more people get to have those mechs, they aren't as special. Anyone who bought those mechs because they were limited edition, they need to just own up to their special snowlake-ism. You want to be a special snowflake. I get it. But just admit it.

I didn't buy any of the Phoenix pack (let alone a Founders pack), so it doesn't even apply here.

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Anyone who doesn't care about having the limited edition mechs, but just want to punish PGI for all the bad things they did: your bitterness and salt is preventing other people from buying the toys they want. That's also dumb, in my book.

Isn't it about being selfish though?

Just because you may want it, doesn't mean you have to screw people over with the original promise.

I get it's just as being selfish to keep it as is, but the difference is that this offer was laid out the way it did, and backpedeling on it would then eventually lend to asking for Founders packs to be made available again. I'm not saying I like that train of thought or that we'd go down this road, but it's not something you want to get people reacting to as a business.

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Anyone who claims to not care about having special, limited edition mechs, yet still pretends they want PGI to keep their word because it's the "principle" of the thing:

At least PGI is finally selling official special snowflake cockpit items for everyone. It's just a shame they didn't go all out.

I'm still running on the principle of the matter... it's not like I can't live/haven't lived w/o them (for at least 3 years now).

[Alistair Winter]

Bishop Steiner, on 22 October 2016 - 09:48 AM, said:

Cool Story. Perhaps it is why you say, for some, perhaps not. But maybe you should look up what "limited time sale" means.

Keep repeating it. Nobody believes it's relevant.

Bishop Steiner, on 22 October 2016 - 09:48 AM, said:

I'd say you sound like someone who is simply salty you abstained, and all that jazz too. Probably about as legit as your claim, anyhow.

I have no idea what you're trying to say here.

Bishop Steiner, on 22 October 2016 - 09:48 AM, said:

Especially since... let's see... umm... all the Phoenix Mechs are available for CBills, and um, oh yeah, 99% of them kind of suck? How many LCT-1V, SHD-2H, TDR-5S, BLR-1G do you see running around, leading the Meta Field? Let alone WVR-6R and GRF-1Ns.

How is that relevant? It has zero bearing on this conversation.

Bishop Steiner, on 22 October 2016 - 09:48 AM, said:

Let me guess, They should also go and screw the Founders a little more and resell those packs, too, right?

Honestly, nobody cares, except the special snowflakes.

Bishop Steiner, on 22 October 2016 - 09:48 AM, said:

Aka, bring back the package, as the Phoenix Package, you just lied/committed consumer fraud to every single customer who bought it.

And again we're back to "It's the principle". Give me a break.

You may as well campaign for the hot rod camo pattern to be available to Phoenix owners only. Then everyone can feel even more special.

Deathlike, on 22 October 2016 - 10:13 AM, said:

The thing about promises is that if you don't keep them, people won't trust what you have to say.
I'm not saying you can't break promises... you have to live with the consequences of doing so.

They've already broken a bunch of promises and we're going to hold them to the least important one? The one that actually hurts the players instead of PGI? Meh, I'm not surprised. This community can be pretty selfish sometimes.

Deathlike, on 22 October 2016 - 10:13 AM, said:

Isn't it about being selfish though?
Just because you may want it, doesn't mean you have to screw people over with the original promise.
I get it's just as being selfish to keep it as is, but the difference is that this offer was laid out the way it did, and backpedeling on it would then eventually lend to asking for Founders packs to be made available again. I'm not saying I like that train of thought or that we'd go down this road, but it's not something you want to get people reacting to as a business.

It's only "selfish" in the sense that you're hurting the feelings of people who want to be special. But wanting to be special, taking joy in having something that other people can't have, is a selfish pleasure. It's not something I sympathize with, even though everyone knows the feeling. I'm not going to respect people who are indulging such selfish joys.

You see this with kids all the time. It's a very human emotion. One kid wins an ice cream and his friend doesn't. Then the parents buy an ice cream for his friend, and the first kid feels a pang of resentment, because he enjoyed being the only one with the ice cream. It's a selfish joy that many people grow out of, or at least try to suppress when they become adults.

[Juodas Varnas]

I just want the round chin-turret for my Wolverine.

So my answer is whichever option would give me one.

[Bishop Steiner]

Alistair Winter, on 22 October 2016 - 10:29 AM, said:

socialist nonsense

only thing that is relevant:

Project Phoenix will be available for a limited time only and once vaulted, these packages will never be made available again!



Mmmkay?

[Alistair Winter]

Bishop Steiner, on 22 October 2016 - 10:33 AM, said:

Settle down.

[Appogee]

I voted to make it available to others. But I was in the minority.

[Deathlike]

Alistair Winter, on 22 October 2016 - 10:29 AM, said:

They've already broken a bunch of promises and we're going to hold them to the least important one? The one that actually hurts the players instead of PGI? Meh, I'm not surprised. This community can be pretty selfish sometimes.

They broke a bunch of promises for the sake of greed. I'm not going to polish this poop.

For this, I wouldn't care in the grand scheme of things... because PGI isn't capable of delivering on promises anyways (like a properly working CW/FW), so bleh.

I don't think you can throw the use of "it's the community fault" in your argument here. It diminishes it a lot in fact. If the community was 60% for it, then it's the will of the community... but when it's 50% going either way... it's not cut and dry (even if that 50% favored wanting it back/available). You can't use the community in this instance to speak what you believe should happen.

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It's only "selfish" in the sense that you're hurting the feelings of people who want to be special. But wanting to be special, taking joy in having something that other people can't have, is a selfish pleasure. It's not something I sympathize with, even though everyone knows the feeling. I'm not going to respect people who are indulging such selfish joys.

I wanted to buy a Shadowhawk pack... to be special at one point. Deadline passed and I didn't get to buy it. Well, that's it. Story's over. I'm over it. I don't see how any part of how I felt was selfish.

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You see this with kids all the time. It's a very human emotion. One kid wins an ice cream and his friend doesn't. Then the parents buy an ice cream for his friend, and the first kid feels a pang of resentment, because he enjoyed being the only one with the ice cream. It's a selfish joy that many people grow out of, or at least try to suppress when they become adults.

I've learned that when people win something.. they deserve it. I believe in a meritocracy... but that's not this discussion.

This is literally about buying a mechpack. I want to reiterate this. It's about buying a mechpack. There is no prize to be won here.

The kid's reaction in resentment is arguably just as selfish. I mean.. do we need to give every kid an ice cream when they don't win? Would a participation trophy feel better? I get how feelings get hurt, but there can be multiple interpretations of the same situation.. which you may or may not agree with here. If a kid feels bad about it and gets rewarded anyways... great. However, if that kid still feels bad because they lost and still got the ice cream? Well, isn't there a little selfishness there too?

I'm not saying we can apply everyday stuff to "buying a mechpack". I simply do not feel this way. I'm in no way looking to deny people of buying mechpacks, but when the offer is as stated, some people have to live with the fact that they missed the deadline. That's OK. There will be other mechpacks. There will be more mechpacks. There will be ONLY mechpacks in MWO.

Edited by Deathlike, 22 October 2016 - 10:44 AM.

[Bishop Steiner]

Alistair Winter, on 22 October 2016 - 10:39 AM, said:

Settle down.

The irony of this post, it's delicious. Almost as much as tears.

But thanks for reminding me why I generally leave you on ignore. It was your rants about this very subject the last time the Participation Trophy/Communist Crowd got riled that got you put on the list.

But since you still seem to be missing the relevant point:

Project Phoenix will be available for a limited time only and once vaulted, these packages will never be made available again!

*now in Comic Sans to entertain the children!

Edited by Bishop Steiner, 22 October 2016 - 04:49 PM.

[Juodas Varnas]

Alright, you guys.
Settle down and calm your mammaries.
No need for such hostilities.


Instead of asking PGI to make the Phoenix packs available again, we should be asking for Quadrupeds.
Customizable alternate geometry would be pretty cool too.
Tell me you wouldn't want a Bubble cockpit on the Battlemaster or different Atlas skulls!

Edited by Juodas Varnas, 22 October 2016 - 11:01 AM.