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[boss642296niicc]

Hi! I cant understand why lots of people recommend 3m but not 3e. I can run 3e with 2LL plus 2ML which can help me to be good in all situations and 3xAc5 to engage more then 1 target simultaneously (up to 3 I think).

I know that 3m very easy to play because only lasers weaponed but I fear that it will be too hot for 1vs1 and I wil be useless in such situations. Why 3m the best?

And sorry my english if something wrong.

[TercieI]

Big XL and laser vomit is more effective than slow standard and dakka+lasers these days.

[The Basilisk]

If you instist on driving an Assault besides the KDK3.... and even further...an IS-Assault....the all energy quirks and loadout of a BNC-3M is among those easyest to use and among the least succinating Assaults you can get.

Distributing firepower is...in this game at least...one of the most stupid things you could do.
You do not want to distribute firepower or engage multiple targets but instead concentrating as much as possible to one target to down it quick hindering it from further damaging you and your team.

In that the BNC 3M is still a fearsome mech. (3rd oldest mech ingame) Its not as fast as the KDK but has a standart reaktor so less vulnerability...53 pinpoint alpha with less than 1 sec burntime (a 4UAC10 KDK has a >3sec burn for its 80dmg...that is if it doesn't jam)

The 3E has its perks....when you do NOT use lasers. Use AC and PPC to gain max on spot/frontload dmg 35dmg spot on with 2 PPC and 3 AC and respectable range and dps. Problem of the 3 E is its hit ratio. You get either full or no dmg out of every shot so your performance is more unstable but kills are more likely.

If you play correctly there are no "one on one" situations.
You should always be amidst your team.

And...yes you can simply put a larger XL (up to 400 XL in that Banshee) don't like it much but it works.

Edited by The Basilisk, 12 November 2016 - 09:41 AM.

[boss642296niicc]

The Basilisk, on 12 November 2016 - 09:34 AM, said:

If you instist on driving an Assault besides the KDK3.... and even further...an IS-Assault....the all energy quirks and loadout of a BNC-3M is among those easyest to use and among the least succinating Assaults you can get.

Distributing firepower is...in this game at least...one of the most stupid things you could do.
You do not want to distribute firepower or engage multiple targets but instead concentrating as much as possible to one target to down it quick hindering it from further damaging you and your team.

In that the BNC 3M is still a fearsome mech. (3rd oldest mech ingame) Its not as fast as the KDK but has a standart reaktor so less vulnerability...53 pinpoint alpha with less than 1 sec burntime (a 4UAC10 KDK has a >3sec burn for its 80dmg...that is if it doesn't jam)

The 3E has its perks....when you do NOT use lasers. Use AC and PPC to gain max on spot/frontload dmg 35dmg spot on with 2 PPC and 3 AC and respectable range and dps. Problem of the 3 E is its hit ratio. You get either full or no dmg out of every shot so your performance is more unstable but kills are more likely.

If you play correctly there are no "one on one" situations.
You should always be amidst your team.

And...yes you can simply put a larger XL (up to 400 XL in that Banshee) don't like it much but it works.

Maybe not 1vs1 but when I lead a push on Highlender 2C or KDK-3 I know that i'll kill all bed guys a front of me but on banshe 3m..I don't shure. It is only one reason why I don't buy it yet.

And I run KDK with 2xUAC10+2xUAC5 on XL400 1extra DHS and a lot of ammo (14.5 tons).

Edited by boss642296niicc, 12 November 2016 - 10:06 AM.

[Champion of Khorne Lord of Blood]

The Banshees can run extremely cold all laser pushing builds or easily manageable 5 LPL poking builds. Its an all around good mech with options in what it does due to its high tonnage limit and high engine cap.

This said its not as good as a KDK-3 in the job and a Highlander 2C is more durable than an XL engine running Banshee, and the Highlander 2C-C has quirks that make it just more durable in general though doesn't have the high mounts like a Banshee or the speed to let it poke as well. KDK-3 completely outclasses it though.

That said its not bad, its just not perfect.

[Void Angel]

Think of it in terms of economics - particularly "opportunity costs," which is the benefit of the best thing you could do instead of taking the 'mech. With the Banshee 3E, the opportunity cost is all those laser hardpoints on the torsos, with minor quirks. You won't be able to compete with the 3E against 'mechs like the Kodiak and Mauler, which have more hardpoints to mount dakka, so it's better to use the laser build if you're insisting on using the chassis. Too many other 'mechs can mount either many more autocannons, or Ultra Autocannons to dwarf your firepower.

So to summarize, I'm saying that using a passable 3M laser build is generally better than using the 3E's autocannons.

All of that said, the Banshee feels a bit underpowered to me when I bring them out lately. If you haven't bought the chassis yet, I'd recommend that you start with a Battlemaster instead - they'll be more maneuverable with the same laser loadouts, and will probably serve you better than the BNC.

[Leone]

boss642296niicc, on 12 November 2016 - 09:12 AM, said:

Why 3m the best?

It's not. People are wrong.

~Leone

[B L O O D W I T C H]

The Basilisk, on 12 November 2016 - 09:34 AM, said:

(a 4UAC10 KDK has a >3sec burn for its 80dmg...that is if it doesn't jam)

First, quad uac10 got ghostheat fixed so doubletapping twice in a row is luckily not a real thing anymore.
Second, in >3sec, quad uac10 can doubletab twice for a wooping 160 damage.

initial 40
doubletab +40
first cooldown +40
second doubletab +40

That's 160 in a little less then 2,3 seconds, with eliteskill and module (assuming noone of the uacs jams)

[TercieI]

Leone, on 13 November 2016 - 06:50 PM, said:

It's not. People are wrong.

~Leone

LOL. No. It has been the only relevant BNC since the release of the Mauler.

Edited by TercieI, 14 November 2016 - 06:54 AM.

[S 0 L E N Y A]

Battlemaster is overall a better choice these days.