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[The6thMessenger]

Currently, I am not satisfied with the Warrant, it's not really much different with the other TBRs aside from a few pods that allow symmetry. So here's my different take on it, a really unique and different option for the TBR.

Spoiler

Quirks:
[LT] REVERSE SPEED: -10.00 %
[LT] ACCELERATION RATE: -5.00 %
[LT] DECELERATION RATE: -5.00 %
[LT] TORSO TURN RATE (YAW): -10.00 %
[LT] TORSO TURN ANGLE (YAW): -5.00
[LT] UAC2 JAM CHANCE: -15%
[RT] ACCELERATION RATE: 5.00 %
[RT] DECELERATION RATE: 5.00 %
[RT] REVERSE SPEED: 10.00 %
[RT] TORSO TURN RATE (YAW): 10.00 %
[RT] TORSO TURN ANGLE (YAW): 5.00
[8/8] UAC2 COOLDOWN: 15%
[8/8] TORSO TURN RATE (YAW): 10.00 %
[8/8] XP BONUS: 2.5%

Personally i would like it better to be called "Bloodhound" as a separate hero, but whatever i guess, this is what i would want with the TBR hero, whether the Warrant is replaced, or this becomes another hero mech like Dragon or catapult has 2 hero mechs.

As i wanted, the LT is high-mounted ballistics. The 3 UAC2s are just there for showing off, i am not expecting it to be good build in the first place.

As for the quirks, i simply followed the format of the TBR-A, with the prominent, left torso having lots of negative quirks, and neutralized by the right-torso.

As for the 8-Piece Omnipod bonus, it's a somewhat weaker version of the rest unless UAC2 is used. With a -15% UAC2 Jam Chance allows this TBR version have good DPS should you can stare down people with it, it's practically like the King-Crab 6 AC2 macroed-machine-gun build. Just as well, if 8/8 Omnipods is achieved, it comes with 15% UAC2 cooldown quirk.

The other weapons, the 4x ERSL + 3x ER ML is just there to fill the mech and have a small amount of backup weapons. Realistically, the 3x UAC2s are the weapons constantly used, with at least 600 total damage with it's ammo.

So, what are your thoughts?

Edited by The6thMessenger, 30 October 2016 - 06:44 AM.

[BCAW]

I dunno man, if your idea of "high-mounted" is what I think it means (like, TBR-A left torso energy hardpoint level), then it would be a very severe case of Pay-To-Optimize, and making the Hero the best variant.

Not everything needs to be hunchback-fied you know. Personally, I feel the obsession with high mounts is starting to get out of hand, both among the community and by the devs.

tl;dr: Timby is still a good mech; giving it excellent hardpoint placement would probably push it into OP territory.

[N0ni]

Missing ECM and MASC. 0/10

[The6thMessenger]

BCAW, on 29 October 2016 - 06:39 PM, said:

I dunno man, if your idea of "high-mounted" is what I think it means (like, TBR-A left torso energy hardpoint level), then it would be a very severe case of Pay-To-Optimize, and making the Hero the best variant.

Not everything needs to be hunchback-fied you know. Personally, I feel the obsession with high mounts is starting to get out of hand, both among the community and by the devs.

tl;dr: Timby is still a good mech; giving it excellent hardpoint placement would probably push it into OP territory.

Unlike the hunchback, this doesn't come with structure or armor quirks that makes the Ears really really vulnerable. Sure it's high, but it's too high just as the TBR-A LT, people can see you first before you can see them. Just as well, the RT comes with severe quirks neutralized by the LT, using both TBR-A LT with the TBR-WAR/BH RT comes with agressively negative quirks.

EDIT:

as with updates, the 3B high-mount torso is now Left, thus impossible to have two high-mount energy hardpoints.

Edited by The6thMessenger, 30 October 2016 - 05:10 AM.

[Weaselball]

Someone have that old drawing of the Metanator mech? I honestly feel like that's what the community is asking for more and more each day.

[BCAW]

Weaselball, on 29 October 2016 - 07:01 PM, said:

Someone have that old drawing of the Metanator mech? I honestly feel like that's what the community is asking for more and more each day.

Went into Rak's Armory and found it just for you fam.





full post for those interested: http://raksarmory.bl...etatinator.html

[BCAW]

The6thMessenger, on 29 October 2016 - 06:59 PM, said:

Unlike the hunchback, this doesn't come with structure or armor quirks that makes the Ears really really vulnerable. Sure it's high, but it's too high just as the TBR-A LT, people can see you first before you can see them. Just as well, the RT comes with severe quirks neutralized by the LT, using both TBR-A LT with the TBR-WAR/BH RT comes with agressively negative quirks.

What makes the Hunchie (and especially the IIC version) good isn't the quirks. Its the high mounted ballistics.

And the pay to optimize is still real. Negative quirks won't be enough to counteract the high mounts.

[TercieI]

The clan heroes generally work because they add an option or two, but nothing crazy OP. High mounted gauss to go with high mounted PPCs. What could possibly be an issue with that? SMH.

[The6thMessenger]

TercieI, on 29 October 2016 - 07:16 PM, said:

The clan heroes generally work because they add an option or two, but nothing crazy OP. High mounted gauss to go with high mounted PPCs. What could possibly be an issue with that? SMH.

So would it work if i reverse it? The RT is now LT, preventing the combination of high-mount lasers?



[LT] REVERSE SPEED: -10.00 %
[LT] ACCELERATION RATE: -5.00 %
[LT] DECELERATION RATE: -5.00 %
[LT] TORSO TURN RATE (YAW): -10.00 %
[LT] TORSO TURN ANGLE (YAW): -5.00
[LT] UAC2 JAM CHANCE: -15%
[RT] ACCELERATION RATE: 5.00 %
[RT] DECELERATION RATE: 5.00 %
[RT] REVERSE SPEED: 10.00 %
[RT] TORSO TURN RATE (YAW): 10.00 %
[RT] TORSO TURN ANGLE (YAW): 5.00
[8/8] UAC2 COOLDOWN: 15%
[8/8] TORSO TURN RATE (YAW): 10.00 %
[8/8] XP BONUS: 2.5%

Edited by The6thMessenger, 30 October 2016 - 01:05 AM.

[TKSax]

The TimberWolf is one of the best heavies in the game Still, I does not need any help at all.

[The6thMessenger]

TKSax, on 29 October 2016 - 08:02 PM, said:

The TimberWolf is one of the best heavies in the game Still, I does not need any help at all.

Yeah well, without that 1E CT, and with too much simmilar omnipods, PGI has to up their game, else it's just the same thing painted blue. Even a 1M on the CT would be enough to make a difference.

This is just how i wish it became.

Edited by The6thMessenger, 30 October 2016 - 01:06 AM.

[jjm1]

pft, my Spectral Wolf has JJs, 4 high energy mounts and ECM. Its go meta or go home with a sore butt these days.

Since PGI has already blown the gate open for blatently dominant mechs, and its been that way for a long time. I don't really care anymore.

I posted my own hero designs to the fan creations section BTW.

[Red Shrike]

I just use the TBR Prime with the loadout in my sig. Runs like a dream.

[TKSax]

The6thMessenger, on 30 October 2016 - 12:58 AM, said:

Yeah well, without that 1E CT, and with too much simmilar omnipods, PGI has to up their game, else it's just the same thing painted blue. Even a 1M on the CT would be enough to make a difference.

This is just how i wish it became.

If you want a 75 ton clan mech with High Ballistic Mounts get a Night Gyr. And yes most of the clan mechs variants make other omni pods redundant due to the way omni mechs can be customized. I look at the Hero's as way for people who do not have Invasion Variant Clan Mechs to get their 30% bonus. Beside's that left Arm Ballistic will let you build a lot of Asymmetric builds which are far superior to a lot of symmetric builds anyway.

[The6thMessenger]

TKSax, on 30 October 2016 - 07:09 AM, said:

If you want a 75 ton clan mech with High Ballistic Mounts get a Night Gyr.

Or, i could get Warrant that is made for my specification, with PGI's discretion of course. I don't' even like Night Gyr.

TKSax, on 30 October 2016 - 07:09 AM, said:

And yes most of the clan mechs variants make other omni pods redundant due to the way omni mechs can be customized. I look at the Hero's as way for people who do not have Invasion Variant Clan Mechs to get their 30% bonus. Beside's that left Arm Ballistic will let you build a lot of Asymmetric builds which are far superior to a lot of symmetric builds anyway.

Well, i look heroes to be much more unique, and much more imaginative than the original. I'm going to spend money, or MCs for them, they should worth something more than just several builds for symmetry. Not OP, sure, but I've already eliminated the possibility of having both high-mounted ballistics and energy at the same build, so it's no longer pay-to-optimize.

The Side-Torsos offer not much advantage other than JJ-less, hell it's 1M and 1E, that means not much Missile hardpoint for brawling, if it were for LRMs, i'd go with ALRM10s over 15s or 20s. The arms are also pretty wide, so i avoid putting significant weapons there -- and it sounds like you wanted to have something large there.

Personally i'd just go with With Prime-RT and S-LT to have the ballistics closer, and is not situated on the weak arms. Of course i cannot freely aim it like i can with arms, but if i were to shoot something beyond my ability to look up, it's usually UAV that i wouldn't waste ammo with, and just go with Med-Lasers. Sure, the S-LT has JJ eating tons, but i'm fine with that.

In the end though, it doesn't appeal to my playstyle and me.

Edited by The6thMessenger, 30 October 2016 - 07:45 AM.

[TKSax]

The6thMessenger, on 30 October 2016 - 07:27 AM, said:

Or, i could get Warrant that is made for my specification, with PGI's discretion of course. I don't' even like Night Gyr.

If we build every mech that can do the same thing, why even have different mechs.

The6thMessenger, on 30 October 2016 - 07:27 AM, said:

Well, i look heroes to be much more unique, and much more imaginative than the original. I'm going to spend money, or MCs for them, they should worth something more than just several builds for symmetry. Not OP, sure, but I've already eliminated the possibility of having both high-mounted ballistics and energy at the same build, so it's no longer pay-to-optimize.

The TBR hero (and several others) already are pay 2 optimized so your answer is because it does not fit your playstyle is to make the TBR even more Pay 2 Optimize. Sounds like you would like to be able to by and advantage in the game. Heroes should have Unique Camo, and cbill bonus but should not be an upgrade over mechs you can buy for cbill's in the game if this is supposed to be a Free 2 play game.

The6thMessenger, on 30 October 2016 - 07:27 AM, said:

In the end though, it doesn't appeal to my playstyle and me.

No one is forcing you to buy it. I a several others will buy it (Well I will probably only buy it once it goes on sale) simply because of the Left Arm Ballistic.

Edited by TKSax, 30 October 2016 - 09:11 AM.

[The6thMessenger]

TKSax, on 30 October 2016 - 08:40 AM, said:

If we build every mech that can do the same thing, why even have different mechs.

If the mech is just a rehash of the old, what's the point? It's uninteresting, and is not worth my money.

TKSax, on 30 October 2016 - 08:40 AM, said:

The TBR hero (and several others) already are pay 2 optimized so your answer is because it does not fit your playstyle is to make the TBR even more Pay 2 Optimize. Sounds like you would like to be able to by and advantage in the game. Heroes should have Unique Camo, and cbill bonus but should not be an upgrade over mechs you can buy for cbill's in the game if this is supposed to be a Free 2 play game.

I wouldn't say that it's an upgrade of TBR, the arms are similar to Prime, the RT is basically a -1b TBR-S torso, and the CT is just another A and C. The 3B high-mount is on the Left Torso, that prevents having both high-mounts of ballistic and Energy at the same time. Sure it allows high-mounted ballistic, but it means you won't have high-mounted energy anymore.

More pay to optimize? TBR-WAR is unimpressive and lame compared to others, so in that respect i kind of agree. But the LT has limitations -- compare that to A-LT, it's not high-mounted energy that has generally longer range. With only 7 slots, you can only fit 1 gauss w/ 1 MG, 1 UAC10, 1 UAC10 + 1 UAC5, 2 UAC5s, 3 UAC2s or 2 UAC2 + 1 UAC5, or 3 MG. Sure you can use the S-RT and C-RA, but maximixing that with autocannons is just 5 UAC2s, and with only 1t of ammo.

At best it would be semi-dakka, but compare that to A-LT that can mount smaller long-range energy that can use the high-mounts more effectively -- and TBR is a cool mech to begin with whereas ballistic needs ammo.

TKSax, on 30 October 2016 - 08:40 AM, said:

No one is forcing you to buy it. I a several others will buy it (Well I will probably only buy it once it goes on sale) simply because of the Left Arm Ballistic.

Duh, of course not. I'm just not one of those people that liked it and would prefer something else.

Edited by The6thMessenger, 30 October 2016 - 03:57 PM.

[BCAW]

The6thMessenger, on 30 October 2016 - 03:23 PM, said:

If the mech is just a rehash of the old, what's the point? It's uninteresting, and is not worth my money.

Then don't buy it, or get a refund. Done.

The6thMessenger, on 30 October 2016 - 03:23 PM, said:

I wouldn't say that it's an upgrade of TBR, the arms are similar to Prime, the RT is basically a -1b TBR-S torso, and the CT is just another A and C. The 3B high-mount is on the Left Torso, that prevents having both high-mounts of ballistic and Energy at the same time. Sure it allows high-mounted ballistic, but it means you won't have high-mounted energy anymore.

High mount ballistic is not an upgrade. k. If you don't understand why that's a big deal in today's meta, why bother asking for it?
And you can still cram a goose and a peeps in that left torso. If you don't think that's a big deal... no comment.

The6thMessenger, on 30 October 2016 - 03:23 PM, said:

More pay to optimize? TBR-WAR is unimpressive and lame compared to others, so in that respect i kind of agree. But the LT has limitations -- compare that to A-LT, it's not high-mounted energy that has generally longer range. With only 7 slots, you can only fit 1 gauss w/ 1 MG, 1 UAC10, 1 UAC10 + 1 UAC5, 2 UAC5s, 3 UAC2s or 2 UAC2 + 1 UAC5, or 3 MG. Sure you can use the S-RT and C-RA, but maximixing that with autocannons is just 5 UAC2s, and with only 1t of ammo.

Keep in mind that the TBR-WAR is based off of the TBR chassis, one of the best heavies in the game, while most of the other Clam heroes are based off of chassis that are not as well off right now. And multiple people here have explained why your idea would be a case of pay-to-optimize.


And lastly, if being able to play HillHumper Online with a Clam heavy that can go 87kph is that important to you, might I suggest this mech called the Ebon Jaguar? It can use pretty much every loadout the TBR can, and its a better hill humper.

Please. Can we not make every damn mech look like its derived from the Hunchback, so that PUGs will learn to do things other than camp one hill for the entire damn game.

[CK16]

I honestly prefer the current Timberwolf Hero, and if we get a 2nd hero...No not this one sorry. This one is to far off what a Timberwolf is by lore.

[The6thMessenger]

BCAW, on 30 October 2016 - 04:13 PM, said:

High mount ballistic is not an upgrade. k. If you don't understand why that's a big deal in today's meta, why bother asking for it?

Asking for what? For the hero, or for inquiry? Of course people will ask for inquiry, they don't know it in the first place. As for the hero -- other heros were unique, TBR-WAR is blah. If i could just buy omnipods individually for MC, that's fine. But i gotta buy the entire mech, the whole 20$ for just two omnipods that just allows symmetrical builds -- granted the unique camo and CBill bonus is cool, but i might as well buy more awesome heroes for that.

And AFAIK, the hero omnipods is only available for the hero CT, so i can't even use the omipods with 1E or 1B CT.

BCAW, on 30 October 2016 - 04:13 PM, said:

Keep in mind that the TBR-WAR is based off of the TBR chassis, one of the best heavies in the game, while most of the other Clam heroes are based off of chassis that are not as well off right now. And multiple people here have explained why your idea would be a case of pay-to-optimize.

No, they just said that it was pay-to-optimize, they didn't explained anything.

BCAW, on 30 October 2016 - 04:13 PM, said:

And lastly, if being able to play HillHumper Online with a Clam heavy that can go 87kph is that important to you, might I suggest this mech called the Ebon Jaguar? It can use pretty much every loadout the TBR can, and its a better hill humper.

Doesn't come with jump-jets, and less tanky. I also don't like it.

Edited by The6thMessenger, 30 October 2016 - 04:43 PM.