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[Jman5]

Back in June when Quickplay leaderboards made their debut I was excited to hear Russ tell the community that he was going to split Solo and Group Queue leaderboards.

56 minutes 30 seconds if the timestamp doesn't work

Fast forward to today. We are on Season 5 of the leaderboard and Group/Solo queue are still both under one leaderboard.

What's going on here PGI?


Also while we are talking about Leaderboards, one thing that hasn't been addressed by anyone at PGI is the fact that the leaderboards are DOMINATED by players with only 1 game. Many of the stat rankings have been rendered completely useless. For example in Season 4 my average matchscore ranking for Lights went from about 830 to about 150 when I manually removed players who hadn't played more than a handful of matches.

In the same video I linked Russ spoke about introducing prizes for seasonal leaderboard accomplishments. How are they going to do this when the only non-grindy stats are completely ruined by these 1-and-done accounts.

If you want more people to care about the leaderboard you have to make it worth caring about. Split Solo and Group Queue into two separate leaderboards like you said you were going to do "very shortly". Then create a seeding phase where players need to play a minimum amount of games before they are ranked on the leaderboard (25-30 matches).

Edited by Jman5, 02 November 2016 - 10:22 AM.

[TKSax]

Soon™



or



90 days...

[Deathlike]

Check back after another 60 to 90 days.

[Wintersdark]

If they had, what would they announce at Mech_Con?

They've got to hold some of the very best stuff back!

[TKSax]

Wintersdark, on 02 November 2016 - 10:30 AM, said:

If they had, what would they announce at Mech_Con?

They've got to hold some of the very best stuff back!

If fixing the Leaderboards fall under the very best stuff.... that there are going to be some disappointed people at MechCon

[Wintersdark]

TKSax, on 02 November 2016 - 10:32 AM, said:

If fixing the Leaderboards fall under the very best stuff.... that there are going to be some disappointed people at MechCon

No, not fixing them; don't be silly. It'll be an announcement that they'll be fixed This Summer.

Edited by Wintersdark, 02 November 2016 - 10:35 AM.

[Lyoto Machida]

Will no one step in to defend the honor of the fair maiden that is PGI???

[Deathlike]

It's great that the cynicism isn't lost on people.

I'm sure there will be a reveal on the leaderboards in December.. a "highly touted" feature request that much be quenched!

Lyoto Machida, on 02 November 2016 - 10:43 AM, said:

Will no one step in to defend the honor of the fair maiden that is PGI???

She's sleeping on potatoes man. She's on a diet of french fries and mashed potatoes.

[DiabetesOverlord Wilford Brimley]

Honestly is fixing the leaderboard worth the very limited resources this game has?

Lyoto Machida, on 02 November 2016 - 10:43 AM, said:

Will no one step in to defend the honor of the fair maiden that is PGI???

When even the 2 white knights don't jump in to defend it makes you wonder if the wind stopped blowing their sails and they got stranded on some island or something.

[Deathlike]

DiabetesOverlord Wilford Brimley, on 02 November 2016 - 11:15 AM, said:

Honestly is fixing the leaderboard worth the very limited resources this game has?

It would be a reminder of "minimally viable" when left unfixed. It doesn't matter either way though given the situation.

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When even the 2 white knights don't jump in to defend it makes you wonder if the wind stopped blowing their sails and they got stranded on some island or something.

I believe there's some sort of double secret probation involved.

[Sjorpha]

DiabetesOverlord Wilford Brimley, on 02 November 2016 - 11:15 AM, said:

Honestly is fixing the leaderboard worth the very limited resources this game has?

Yes.

I think every single feature that is completely broken isn't just worth it, but has to be fixed. It's one thing to prioritize which features should be created or improved, but when you have entire game features simply being 100% dysfunctional, like the leaderboards right now, then you actually have to fix that.

It's not like it would take a huge amount of work to have the leaderboards rank you by your last 200 games or something, and filter out anyone with less games than that.

[DiabetesOverlord Wilford Brimley]

Meh leaderboards should have never been added to a team game.

[Deathlike]

DiabetesOverlord Wilford Brimley, on 02 November 2016 - 11:27 AM, said:

Meh leaderboards should have never been added to a team game.

Ironically it was promised ages ago, when we still had ATD (Ask The Devs).

The problem was that it was developed way late (like, it was promised in 2013 or so IIRC) and underdeveloped.

Maybe MWO/PGI needs to go through puberty?

Edited by Deathlike, 02 November 2016 - 11:30 AM.

[DaZur]

[Deathlike]

DaZur, on 02 November 2016 - 11:35 AM, said:

To put this into context though, we have broken "weapon stats" where some people register 0 matches a certain weapon taken, but deal X amount of damage anyways.

From my own personal stats (they are awful for weapons I rarely touch): C-ULTRA AC/20 0 3 3 100.00% 00:00:00 28
Magic. I wish I could make this up, but I'm sure this is excellent telemetry if we are to believe our balance overlord.

[Davegt27]

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Back in June when Quickplay leaderboards made their debut I was excited to hear Russ tell the community that he was going to split Solo and Group Queue leaderboards.

[color="#b27204"]56 minutes 30 seconds if the timestamp doesn't work[/color]

Fast forward to today. We are on Season 5 of the leaderboard and Group/Solo queue are still both under one leaderboard.

What's going on here PGI?


Also while we are talking about Leaderboards, one thing that hasn't been addressed by anyone at PGI is the fact that the leaderboards are DOMINATED by players with only 1 game. Many of the stat rankings have been rendered completely useless. For example in Season 4 my average matchscore ranking for Lights went from about 830 to about 150 when I manually removed players who hadn't played more than a handful of matches.

In the same video I linked Russ spoke about introducing prizes for seasonal leaderboard accomplishments. How are they going to do this when the only non-grindy stats are completely ruined by these 1-and-done accounts.

If you want more people to care about the leaderboard you have to make it worth caring about. Split Solo and Group Queue into two separate leaderboards like you said you were going to do "very shortly". Then create a seeding phase where players need to play a minimum amount of games before they are ranked on the leaderboard (25-30 matches).

why would you want to split the leader board?

just wondering

[Davers]

DiabetesOverlord Wilford Brimley, on 02 November 2016 - 11:15 AM, said:

Honestly is fixing the leaderboard worth the very limited resources this game has?




When even the 2 white knights don't jump in to defend it makes you wonder if the wind stopped blowing their sails and they got stranded on some island or something.

A company interested in Esports better have a working ranking/leaderboard system.
Of course they could have given up on Esports like they did CW, so maybe it's no longer a priority?

[Deathlike]

Davegt27, on 02 November 2016 - 11:41 AM, said:

why would you want to split the leader board?

just wondering

You need to sort out the people being PUGlords in the solo queue from the "group PUGlords" (EmP/SJR/etc.) from the group queue.

[Wintersdark]

DiabetesOverlord Wilford Brimley, on 02 November 2016 - 11:15 AM, said:

Honestly is fixing the leaderboard worth the very limited resources this game has?

Yes. Because it's something that PGI can actually do and reliably do right, and let's face it: We're not getting major new features, so PGI may as well fix things that are broken.

Davegt27, on 02 November 2016 - 11:41 AM, said:

why would you want to split the leader board?

just wondering

Because your match results in the group queue and solo queue are wholly different, and reflect different things.

[Peter2k]

Maybe people haven't noticed, but everything having even a slight thing to do with coding is getting pushed back a lot

Reduction of Buckets
can't be that hard to scrap all factions and make it IS vs Clan code wise

IK
Was a maybe item for months now, once nearly finished and soon ingame

New game mode assault got pushed back what 1 or 2 times now?

Quick play with dropdecks probably easier to implement since they already have everything in place
Just need to cobble it together, still some coding needed, waiting

Circle of connecting
Took forever to get fixed

Balancing, takes sometimes months to get "telemetry" as it seems


But the modelers and map makers are sure bringing out "new" stuff (well granted maps on the really slow side)

Edited by Peter2k, 02 November 2016 - 12:02 PM.