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#21 Alistair Winter

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Posted 05 November 2016 - 01:11 AM

Seeing as how Sean Lang used to play with the ECM+UAC5 Cicada a lot, maybe that's the one build PGI had in mind for this mech. They seem to like creating hero mechs around a single viable build each. Especially the lighter ones.

#22 Scythe Kagato

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Posted 05 November 2016 - 01:38 AM

Save your $$ for beer. You'll get a better experience and it'll last longer.

#23 Aleski

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Posted 05 November 2016 - 02:52 AM

View PostAlistair Winter, on 05 November 2016 - 01:11 AM, said:

Seeing as how Sean Lang used to play with the ECM+UAC5 Cicada a lot, maybe that's the one build PGI had in mind for this mech. They seem to like creating hero mechs around a single viable build each. Especially the lighter ones.


I'm pretty sure running it with an AC/2 + 2xSRM2 on chain fire and 2xSPL will be really annoying when you circle one assault left alone ha ha ha !

The sound of the AC/2 and SRM 2 in the ennemy cockpit. Priceless.

But well, it's not very competitive ! But will be funzy.

The mech will have crazy quirks, i hope.

#24 Zieten

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Posted 05 November 2016 - 02:52 AM

It's name is also asinine...even if it is lore. DarkDeath piloted by Major ShAdOwhUntEr from the 666th Vampire Lords Battalion...

#25 TheArisen

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Posted 05 November 2016 - 09:03 AM

View PostAleski, on 05 November 2016 - 02:52 AM, said:


I'm pretty sure running it with an AC/2 + 2xSRM2 on chain fire and 2xSPL will be really annoying when you circle one assault left alone ha ha ha !

The sound of the AC/2 and SRM 2 in the ennemy cockpit. Priceless.

But well, it's not very competitive ! But will be funzy.

The mech will have crazy quirks, i hope.


Yeah or make it an uninspiring ppc poptart.

I'll get the Assassin but probably not the hero. With the special variant giving a Cbill boost there's no reason to get the hero in this state.

#26 TheArisen

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Posted 05 November 2016 - 09:21 AM

Any opinions on what to do to help the hero be worth getting?

Masc? Give all Assassins an extra HP? (Making it 6 instead of 5)

#27 Tordin

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Posted 05 November 2016 - 09:47 AM

Make it better people will scream bloody murder and P2W!
Make it worse people will scream its worthless and waste of resources to even put in the game!

Umm, most heroes of IS and Clan sides have been on average... well slightly below average to good. No terrible and no great ones. Again its VERY subjective from pilot to pilot. Which mech class they prefer and if that certain variant/ config is something for them.

All have been at worst/ best pay to OPTIMIZE for the Clan side and okay to useful on IS side imo.

#28 martian

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Posted 05 November 2016 - 09:51 AM

View PostTheArisen, on 05 November 2016 - 09:21 AM, said:

Any opinions on what to do to help the hero be worth getting?

Masc? Give all Assassins an extra HP? (Making it 6 instead of 5)

Changing hardpoints should suffice, I would say.

#29 TheArisen

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Posted 05 November 2016 - 10:06 AM

View Postmartian, on 05 November 2016 - 09:51 AM, said:

Changing hardpoints should suffice, I would say.


Any suggestions?

#30 Aleski

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Posted 05 November 2016 - 10:11 AM

View PostTheArisen, on 05 November 2016 - 10:06 AM, said:

Any suggestions?


Maybe replace the ballistic HP by a missile HP ?

#31 TercieI

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Posted 05 November 2016 - 10:14 AM

View PostTheArisen, on 05 November 2016 - 10:06 AM, said:

Any suggestions?

View PostAleski, on 05 November 2016 - 10:11 AM, said:


Maybe replace the ballistic HP by a missile HP ?


Either missile or energy...or remove the LA actuator... <whistles>

#32 Aleski

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Posted 05 November 2016 - 10:25 AM

View PostTercieI, on 05 November 2016 - 10:14 AM, said:


Either missile or energy...or remove the LA actuator... <whistles>


It should allow the crazy AC/20 build, but let's be honest : on dat chassis it will be too slow !

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Posted 05 November 2016 - 10:37 AM

View PostTheArisen, on 05 November 2016 - 10:06 AM, said:

Any suggestions?

That one lonely ballistic hardpoint is not especially useful - you can either use it for one MG (useless; MGs start make sense since at least three or four guns) or one AC (Class 5 or Class 2 probably). You can use AC-2 to annoy people, but the fact is that you pay 6 tons for negligible damage output. AC-5 is slightly better, but it weighs 8 tons (and UAC-5 9 tons). There are good reasons why practically nobody uses stock CDA-3M Cicada.

So one solution would be adding one or two energy hardpoints to turn it into jumping Cicada X-5 with ECM. Would it be a power creep? Maybe. But since everyone can buy the Hankyu, Jenner IIC and the Shadow Cat with the Dragonfly for C-Bills, I don't consider it a big problem. After all, this "DarkDeath" would still have to pay for the ECM advantage with the fragile IS XL engine (plus fragile arms probably).

Or maybe add one or two missile hardpoints? Something as ASN-21 with ECM?

#34 TercieI

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Posted 05 November 2016 - 12:02 PM

View PostAleski, on 05 November 2016 - 10:25 AM, said:


It should allow the crazy AC/20 build, but let's be honest : on dat chassis it will be too slow !


Likely, but at least it will be possible and the hero would offer something unique instead of being a crappier version of the 27.

#35 C E Dwyer

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Posted 05 November 2016 - 12:23 PM

I'm sure someone will lrm 30 on it at least

#36 Deathlike

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Posted 05 November 2016 - 12:33 PM

View PostAlistair Winter, on 05 November 2016 - 01:11 AM, said:

Seeing as how Sean Lang used to play with the ECM+UAC5 Cicada a lot, maybe that's the one build PGI had in mind for this mech. They seem to like creating hero mechs around a single viable build each. Especially the lighter ones.


I'm sure our balance overlord is pleased to hear this.

/triggered

#37 Ghogiel

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Posted 05 November 2016 - 12:38 PM

I'm kinda glad the hero isn't shaping up to be the best in chassis.

#38 TercieI

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Posted 05 November 2016 - 01:26 PM

View PostGhogiel, on 05 November 2016 - 12:38 PM, said:

I'm kinda glad the hero isn't shaping up to be the best in chassis.


I don't disagree but there's a big gap between "best in chassis" and "godawful."

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Posted 05 November 2016 - 01:31 PM

View PostTercieI, on 05 November 2016 - 01:26 PM, said:

I don't disagree but there's a big gap between "best in chassis" and "godawful."

doesn't really matter where the hero ends up as long as it's not top imo. It's PGI that has to sell them.

#40 TercieI

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Posted 05 November 2016 - 01:37 PM

View PostGhogiel, on 05 November 2016 - 01:31 PM, said:

doesn't really matter where the hero ends up as long as it's not top imo. It's PGI that has to sell them.


I think the Sparky is the ideal: It's unique but on par with the other strong variants.





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