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#21 DiabetesOverlord Wilford Brimley

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Posted 06 November 2016 - 10:33 AM

View PostBLOOD WOLF, on 06 November 2016 - 09:34 AM, said:

yea, looking back they had definitely had the idea but after it was released they didn't have a solid direction, either that or I believe they didn't know what to add. I think they were content with what was there rather than expand. Phase 3 was that attempt but i didn't achieve much.

I never said that, because its not in my favor therefore..... Thank you for he gross attempt at deception. If anybody can read english, I explained somewhere why it doesn't matter if 600 or so whatever the number vote that the earth is flat. That is not how it works and that has nothing to do with this thread.

You basically said 600 people's opinion didn't matter because it didn't match the polls hidden deep in the "we love ED threads". Your analogy about the earth being flat is about facts not opinions. We were discussing opinions on ED.

The majority claims PGI did not deliver on what they promised in CW. They are correct!

You yourself even said they put "most" of what they showed not all. Which means they didn't deliver. It's like getting a chicken bacon ranch sub at subway and you got bread, ranch, tomatoes, and some lettuce. Well they did give you a sandwich is what you're saying. Obviously it's not what was ordered.

Edited by DiabetesOverlord Wilford Brimley, 06 November 2016 - 10:34 AM.


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Posted 06 November 2016 - 10:37 AM

View PostDiabetesOverlord Wilford Brimley, on 06 November 2016 - 10:33 AM, said:

You basically said 600 people's opinion didn't matter because it didn't match the polls hidden deep in the "we love ED threads". Your analogy about the earth being flat is about facts not opinions. We were discussing opinions on ED.

The majority claims PGI did not deliver on what they promised in CW. They are correct!

You yourself even said they put "most" of what they showed not all. Which means they didn't deliver. It's like getting a chicken bacon ranch sub at subway and you got bread, ranch, tomatoes, and some lettuce. Well they did give you a sandwich is what you're saying. Obviously it's not what was ordered.

that's not a majority claim. The majority does care as much as some.

yea I dont know any developer that puts in everything from beta or concept. Its like when starcraft II was in beta they got rid of somethings in the end. There are going to be ideas or concepts that do not work.

If you are going to still claim that since not everything that bryan presented was included in therefore they didn't not deliver. Sure I will agree with you, they didn't deliver everything that was introduced. then again I cant name many devs that do.

Now there are ideas they took out like front warfare that they are reintroducing according to Russ. how its gonna move in 4's but that is a different matter.

yea, E=MC2 and no matter what people vote on that is not going to change. I can not help you to understand that, that is something you have to figure out The testing of ED is a scientific matter not a democratic matter.

Edited by BLOOD WOLF, 06 November 2016 - 10:43 AM.


#23 DiabetesOverlord Wilford Brimley

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Posted 06 November 2016 - 12:38 PM

View PostBLOOD WOLF, on 06 November 2016 - 10:37 AM, said:

that's not a majority claim. The majority does care as much as some.

yea I dont know any developer that puts in everything from beta or concept. Its like when starcraft II was in beta they got rid of somethings in the end. There are going to be ideas or concepts that do not work.

If you are going to still claim that since not everything that bryan presented was included in therefore they didn't not deliver. Sure I will agree with you, they didn't deliver everything that was introduced. then again I cant name many devs that do.

Now there are ideas they took out like front warfare that they are reintroducing according to Russ. how its gonna move in 4's but that is a different matter.

yea, E=MC2 and no matter what people vote on that is not going to change. I can not help you to understand that, that is something you have to figure out The testing of ED is a scientific matter not a democratic matter.

It's a democratic matter because Russ said ED will not be implemented until the majority positively accepts it. Since the "silent majority" don't express their opinions the acceptance has to come from the vocal minority as people like to call the forums, Reddit, and Twitter.

That's off topic discussion though so that's enough of that.

You've admitted twice now they did not deliver on what was posted in that video. So that is /thread


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Posted 06 November 2016 - 12:55 PM

View PostBLOOD WOLF, on 06 November 2016 - 10:37 AM, said:

that's not a majority claim. The majority does care as much as some.

yea I dont know any developer that puts in everything from beta or concept. Its like when starcraft II was in beta they got rid of somethings in the end. There are going to be ideas or concepts that do not work.

If you are going to still claim that since not everything that bryan presented was included in therefore they didn't not deliver. Sure I will agree with you, they didn't deliver everything that was introduced. then again I cant name many devs that do.

Now there are ideas they took out like front warfare that they are reintroducing according to Russ. how its gonna move in 4's but that is a different matter.

yea, E=MC2 and no matter what people vote on that is not going to change. I can not help you to understand that, that is something you have to figure out The testing of ED is a scientific matter not a democratic matter.


First, I get that you are being a bit snarky with your comment about "therefore they did not deliver" comment, but Dude, did you read your OP? Lemme help:

View PostBLOOD WOLF, on 05 November 2016 - 06:29 PM, said:


... The house was not added just to a faction.
... can be fleshed out more or not, ... they did not keep the group contracts, that was never added...
Contract system was changed a bit. skirmish scrapped, bounty contracts scrapped. this were supposed to be player created contracts..."unlocks content" but that is only c-bills, and some items and MC.

Faction units structure-there is no developer created organized npc factions which to gain access to...No colors,patterns or exclusive content.

Mercenary unit structure player created, have to invite members, I am guessing owning common assets are planets? maybe coffers? i don't think this was fleshed well but implementation got rid of some things. own ranks, companies and the such... I think the ability of the leader to assign specifics to its members is obvious. one thing is that the ability to select who bids on contracts was not added. Upgrading bases was something that was never introduced. Owning a planet with base, yea but reinforcing it and other logistical stuff was not introduced.

ever single match that is played affects the Inner sphere. so the MM would matches houses against each other or factions fight against each other. In a separate que, and the mercenaries would participate in planetary battles. It would take days to get to planet. That idea was scrapped. Planetary assault minus the unit logistics and what a mess that would have been remained a feature. Instead of the idea of Factions fighting in qued matches, players would drop players on planet and fight for territory.
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Faction warfare- each win contributes the planet being taken, we obviously know how that works. It was stated that it would take 100% to flip a planet, but that was reduced. The idea of fronts was changed to just just flipping planets. Planet bonuses were not introduced, except for C bills and MC. The casual player was excluded from influencing FW from another que and a certain number of planets to flip a front was changed to just taking a planet. The idea of mercs needed the fronts to flip to gain contracts was scrapped.

What is at stake- Global bonuses? there are none, access to cheapest prices? that was scrapped. The idea of economics was not fleshed out

CW economics- NONE there was no need since you can acquire everything in the store, Although this leads me to believe that the game they had in mind was not like the one they have now.

and of course FW was delayed. some stuff made it, others did not. Some ideas such as letting every match affect the I.S were doomed from the beginning.



That is the vast majority of your post. It is also a listing of stuff that DID NOT make it in to the game. Yet you seem to give off the vib that since some stuff did make it in everything is what...fine? that we should be grateful? I'm serious, what is your point here? You argue all the time that people misrepresent the facts...that they misrepresent your point of view. So what is your point here?. You yourself, have laid out a "summary" of all the things NOT in the game, and yet you seem to think anyone who feels cheated by this utter failure of PGI is somehow being unreasonable. Read your OP for chrissake. Nearly the whole suummary of that video that you wrote is a list of at best: failures, at worst: lies. The people feeling cheated/betrayed by that mass of misrepresentation are not being unreasonable. I'm pretty sure, you are.

Edited by Bud Crue, 06 November 2016 - 12:56 PM.


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Posted 06 November 2016 - 02:23 PM

View PostBud Crue, on 06 November 2016 - 12:55 PM, said:


It is also a listing of stuff that DID NOT make it in to the game. Yet you seem to give off the vib that since some stuff did make it in everything is what...fine? that we should be grateful? I'm serious, what is your point here?

It's an analysis, so i of course listed the things they introduced in the video, then I compared it to what they actually released according to their post.

I never said that everything was fine, that's what you said. The point was to address the claim that What people where "promised" is somehow radically different than what was presented. Don't take it from me, there are other players here that will tell you things in development change over time. I know some people in here have this auto-negative reaction to anything I post so i am not surprised that I get those people in this thread and pretty much are the only participants.

This thread isnt for those people, its for anyone to make their own objective summary of the video and compare that to what was released. That was the point.

Edited by BLOOD WOLF, 06 November 2016 - 02:25 PM.


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Posted 06 November 2016 - 02:41 PM

View PostBLOOD WOLF, on 06 November 2016 - 02:23 PM, said:

It's an analysis, so i of course listed the things they introduced in the video, then I compared it to what they actually released according to their post.

I never said that everything was fine, that's what you said. The point was to address the claim that What people where "promised" is somehow radically different than what was presented. Don't take it from me, there are other players here that will tell you things in development change over time. I know some people in here have this auto-negative reaction to anything I post so i am not surprised that I get those people in this thread and pretty much are the only participants.

This thread isnt for those people, its for anyone to make their own objective summary of the video and compare that to what was released. That was the point.


I did not say things were fine. I just asked a question.
But I get ya, and I appreciate the answer. So this was all about an "objective summary". Well based on your fairly extensive list of things that PGI failed to deliver verses the few things that they did...again according to your summary...It is objectively clear that PGI failed to deliver much of what they advertised. Glad we finally got that cleared up.





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