Today we elected Trump for our President.
We, as a nation, look forward with optimism to this new President.
Why? We are tired of driving past empty store fronts, looking for work in what was once thriving towns, glancing at the faces of our neighbors who have been driven into poverty over the last few years.
This is the reason why Donald Trump became president, in hopes of breathing life back into our towns that are full of vacant shops. To put a pay check back on the table.
Right or wrong this is a choice we made. Doubt what I say. Drive thru small town america and open your eyes. Yes the world is nervous. Yes the nation is nervous. In this election the voice of the unemployed cried out, the voice of middle america that had been struggling.
This was the choice of a nation in pain, looking for relief from it's suffering.
Now we pray we made the right one.
Good Luck Mr. Trump, we are giving you the chance to make a difference.
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Started by Kalimaster, Nov 09 2016 03:40 PM
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Posted 09 November 2016 - 03:40 PM
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Kalimaster, on 09 November 2016 - 03:40 PM, said:
Today we elected Trump for our President.
We, as a nation, look forward with optimism to this new President.
Why? We are tired of driving past empty store fronts, looking for work in what was once thriving towns, glancing at the faces of our neighbors who have been driven into poverty over the last few years.
This is the reason why Donald Trump became president, in hopes of breathing life back into our towns that are full of vacant shops. To put a pay check back on the table.
Right or wrong this is a choice we made. Doubt what I say. Drive thru small town america and open your eyes. Yes the world is nervous. Yes the nation is nervous. In this election the voice of the unemployed cried out, the voice of middle america that had been struggling.
This was the choice of a nation in pain, looking for relief from it's suffering.
Now we pray we made the right one.
Good Luck Mr. Trump, we are giving you the chance to make a difference.
We, as a nation, look forward with optimism to this new President.
Why? We are tired of driving past empty store fronts, looking for work in what was once thriving towns, glancing at the faces of our neighbors who have been driven into poverty over the last few years.
This is the reason why Donald Trump became president, in hopes of breathing life back into our towns that are full of vacant shops. To put a pay check back on the table.
Right or wrong this is a choice we made. Doubt what I say. Drive thru small town america and open your eyes. Yes the world is nervous. Yes the nation is nervous. In this election the voice of the unemployed cried out, the voice of middle america that had been struggling.
This was the choice of a nation in pain, looking for relief from it's suffering.
Now we pray we made the right one.
Good Luck Mr. Trump, we are giving you the chance to make a difference.
Good luck Trump, hopefully your actions will speak louder than your words.... all hail grab them by the *****. Also Trump proved from his business ventures that he doesn't care about the middle class... stories upon stories are there about how he nearly bankrupt small businesses and such. But again I have optimism that he will try to do the right thing.
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Posted 10 November 2016 - 01:33 AM
look, just because someone tells you he wants to create jobs doesn't means he will. a laod of the things he said aren't feasable.
I can also say vote me, free kittens and bacon fo everyone.
So at this point all you are left with is hope.
I can also say vote me, free kittens and bacon fo everyone.
So at this point all you are left with is hope.
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Posted 10 November 2016 - 03:26 AM
optimism, now napalm flavored.
this man should be president. now give me my ******* kitten.
Lily from animove, on 10 November 2016 - 01:33 AM, said:
look, just because someone tells you he wants to create jobs doesn't means he will. a laod of the things he said aren't feasable.
I can also say vote me, free kittens and bacon fo everyone.
So at this point all you are left with is hope.
I can also say vote me, free kittens and bacon fo everyone.
So at this point all you are left with is hope.
this man should be president. now give me my ******* kitten.
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I want cookies...give me cookies.
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This is Trump's plan for his first 100 days in office.
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Here Is What Donald Trump Wants To Do In His First 100 Days
At the end of October, Donald Trump spoke in Gettysburg, Pa., and released a plan for his first 100 days in office.
The plan (below) outlines three main areas of focus: cleaning up Washington, including by imposing term limits on Congress; protecting American workers; and restoring rule of law. He also laid out his plan for working with Congress to introduce 10 pieces of legislation that would repeal Obamacare, fund the construction of a wall at the Southern border (with a provision that Mexico would reimburse the U.S.), encourage infrastructure investment, rebuild military bases, promote school choice and more.
On Wednesday, Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell mostly made nice with Trump but also shot down or expressed little enthusiasm in some of his plans. On Trump's proposal to impose term limits on Congress, McConnell said, "It will not be on the agenda in the Senate." McConnell has been a long-standing opponent of term limits, as NPR's Susan Davis reports. "I would say we have term limits now — they're called elections."
McConnell also threw some cold water on Trump's infrastructure plans, calling it not a top priority.
McConnell did say repealing Obamacare is a "pretty high item on our agenda" along with comprehensive tax reform and achieving border security "in whatever way is the most effective." But he also declined to discuss the Senate's immigration agenda further.
"We look forward to working with him," McConnell said. "I think most of the things that he's likely to advocate we're going to be enthusiastically for."
Below is the 100-day plan Trump's campaign released in October, called "Donald Trump's Contract With The American Voter."
What follows is my 100-day action plan to Make America Great Again. It is a contract between myself and the American voter — and begins with restoring honesty, accountability and change to Washington
Therefore, on the first day of my term of office, my administration will immediately pursue the following six measures to clean up the corruption and special interest collusion in Washington, DC:
* FIRST, propose a Constitutional Amendment to impose term limits on all members of Congress;
* SECOND, a hiring freeze on all federal employees to reduce federal workforce through attrition (exempting military, public safety, and public health);
* THIRD, a requirement that for every new federal regulation, two existing regulations must be eliminated;
* FOURTH, a 5 year-ban on White House and Congressional officials becoming lobbyists after they leave government service;
* FIFTH, a lifetime ban on White House officials lobbying on behalf of a foreign government;
* SIXTH, a complete ban on foreign lobbyists raising money for American elections.
On the same day, I will begin taking the following 7 actions to protect American workers:
* FIRST, I will announce my intention to renegotiate NAFTA or withdraw from the deal under Article 2205
* SECOND, I will announce our withdrawal from the Trans-Pacific Partnership
* THIRD, I will direct my Secretary of the Treasury to label China a currency manipulator
* FOURTH, I will direct the Secretary of Commerce and U.S. Trade Representative to identify all foreign trading abuses that unfairly impact American workers and direct them to use every tool under American and international law to end those abuses immediately
* FIFTH, I will lift the restrictions on the production of $50 trillion dollars' worth of job-producing American energy reserves, including shale, oil, natural gas and clean coal.
* SIXTH, lift the Obama-Clinton roadblocks and allow vital energy infrastructure projects, like the Keystone Pipeline, to move forward
* SEVENTH, cancel billions in payments to U.N. climate change programs and use the money to fix America's water and environmental infrastructure
Additionally, on the first day, I will take the following five actions to restore security and the constitutional rule of law:
* FIRST, cancel every unconstitutional executive action, memorandum and order issued by President Obama
* SECOND, begin the process of selecting a replacement for Justice Scalia from one of the 20 judges on my list, who will uphold and defend the Constitution of the United States
* THIRD, cancel all federal funding to Sanctuary Cities
* FOURTH, begin removing the more than 2 million criminal illegal immigrants from the country and cancel visas to foreign countries that won't take them back
* FIFTH, suspend immigration from terror-prone regions where vetting cannot safely occur. All vetting of people coming into our country will be considered extreme vetting.
Next, I will work with Congress to introduce the following broader legislative measures and fight for their passage within the first 100 days of my Administration:
Middle Class Tax Relief And Simplification Act. An economic plan designed to grow the economy 4% per year and create at least 25 million new jobs through massive tax reduction and simplification, in combination with trade reform, regulatory relief, and lifting the restrictions on American energy. The largest tax reductions are for the middle class. A middle-class family with 2 children will get a 35% tax cut. The current number of brackets will be reduced from 7 to 3, and tax forms will likewise be greatly simplified. The business rate will be lowered from 35 to 15 percent, and the trillions of dollars of American corporate money overseas can now be brought back at a 10 percent rate.
End The Offshoring Act. Establishes tariffs to discourage companies from laying off their workers in order to relocate in other countries and ship their products back to the U.S. tax-free.
American Energy & Infrastructure Act. Leverages public-private partnerships, and private investments through tax incentives, to spur $1 trillion in infrastructure investment over 10 years. It is revenue neutral.
School Choice And Education Opportunity Act. Redirects education dollars to give parents the right to send their kid to the public, private, charter, magnet, religious or home school of their choice. Ends common core, brings education supervision to local communities. It expands vocational and technical education, and make 2 and 4-year college more affordable.
Repeal and Replace Obamacare Act. Fully repeals Obamacare and replaces it with Health Savings Accounts, the ability to purchase health insurance across state lines, and lets states manage Medicaid funds. Reforms will also include cutting the red tape at the FDA: there are over 4,000 drugs awaiting approval, and we especially want to speed the approval of life-saving medications.
Affordable Childcare and Eldercare Act. Allows Americans to deduct childcare and elder care from their taxes, incentivizes employers to provide on-side childcare services, and creates tax-free Dependent Care Savings Accounts for both young and elderly dependents, with matching contributions for low-income families.
End Illegal Immigration Act Fully-funds the construction of a wall on our southern border with the full understanding that the country Mexico will be reimbursing the United States for the full cost of such wall; establishes a 2-year mandatory minimum federal prison sentence for illegally re-entering the U.S. after a previous deportation, and a 5-year mandatory minimum for illegally re-entering for those with felony convictions, multiple misdemeanor convictions or two or more prior deportations; also reforms visa rules to enhance penalties for overstaying and to ensure open jobs are offered to American workers first.
Restoring Community Safety Act. Reduces surging crime, drugs and violence by creating a Task Force On Violent Crime and increasing funding for programs that train and assist local police; increases resources for federal law enforcement agencies and federal prosecutors to dismantle criminal gangs and put violent offenders behind bars.
Restoring National Security Act. Rebuilds our military by eliminating the defense sequester and expanding military investment; provides Veterans with the ability to receive public VA treatment or attend the private doctor of their choice; protects our vital infrastructure from cyber-attack; establishes new screening procedures for immigration to ensure those who are admitted to our country support our people and our values
Clean up Corruption in Washington Act. Enacts new ethics reforms to Drain the Swamp and reduce the corrupting influence of special interests on our politics.
On November 8th, Americans will be voting for this 100-day plan to restore prosperity to our economy, security to our communities, and honesty to our government.
This is my pledge to you.
And if we follow these steps, we will once more have a government of, by and for the people.
At the end of October, Donald Trump spoke in Gettysburg, Pa., and released a plan for his first 100 days in office.
The plan (below) outlines three main areas of focus: cleaning up Washington, including by imposing term limits on Congress; protecting American workers; and restoring rule of law. He also laid out his plan for working with Congress to introduce 10 pieces of legislation that would repeal Obamacare, fund the construction of a wall at the Southern border (with a provision that Mexico would reimburse the U.S.), encourage infrastructure investment, rebuild military bases, promote school choice and more.
On Wednesday, Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell mostly made nice with Trump but also shot down or expressed little enthusiasm in some of his plans. On Trump's proposal to impose term limits on Congress, McConnell said, "It will not be on the agenda in the Senate." McConnell has been a long-standing opponent of term limits, as NPR's Susan Davis reports. "I would say we have term limits now — they're called elections."
McConnell also threw some cold water on Trump's infrastructure plans, calling it not a top priority.
McConnell did say repealing Obamacare is a "pretty high item on our agenda" along with comprehensive tax reform and achieving border security "in whatever way is the most effective." But he also declined to discuss the Senate's immigration agenda further.
"We look forward to working with him," McConnell said. "I think most of the things that he's likely to advocate we're going to be enthusiastically for."
Below is the 100-day plan Trump's campaign released in October, called "Donald Trump's Contract With The American Voter."
What follows is my 100-day action plan to Make America Great Again. It is a contract between myself and the American voter — and begins with restoring honesty, accountability and change to Washington
Therefore, on the first day of my term of office, my administration will immediately pursue the following six measures to clean up the corruption and special interest collusion in Washington, DC:
* FIRST, propose a Constitutional Amendment to impose term limits on all members of Congress;
* SECOND, a hiring freeze on all federal employees to reduce federal workforce through attrition (exempting military, public safety, and public health);
* THIRD, a requirement that for every new federal regulation, two existing regulations must be eliminated;
* FOURTH, a 5 year-ban on White House and Congressional officials becoming lobbyists after they leave government service;
* FIFTH, a lifetime ban on White House officials lobbying on behalf of a foreign government;
* SIXTH, a complete ban on foreign lobbyists raising money for American elections.
On the same day, I will begin taking the following 7 actions to protect American workers:
* FIRST, I will announce my intention to renegotiate NAFTA or withdraw from the deal under Article 2205
* SECOND, I will announce our withdrawal from the Trans-Pacific Partnership
* THIRD, I will direct my Secretary of the Treasury to label China a currency manipulator
* FOURTH, I will direct the Secretary of Commerce and U.S. Trade Representative to identify all foreign trading abuses that unfairly impact American workers and direct them to use every tool under American and international law to end those abuses immediately
* FIFTH, I will lift the restrictions on the production of $50 trillion dollars' worth of job-producing American energy reserves, including shale, oil, natural gas and clean coal.
* SIXTH, lift the Obama-Clinton roadblocks and allow vital energy infrastructure projects, like the Keystone Pipeline, to move forward
* SEVENTH, cancel billions in payments to U.N. climate change programs and use the money to fix America's water and environmental infrastructure
Additionally, on the first day, I will take the following five actions to restore security and the constitutional rule of law:
* FIRST, cancel every unconstitutional executive action, memorandum and order issued by President Obama
* SECOND, begin the process of selecting a replacement for Justice Scalia from one of the 20 judges on my list, who will uphold and defend the Constitution of the United States
* THIRD, cancel all federal funding to Sanctuary Cities
* FOURTH, begin removing the more than 2 million criminal illegal immigrants from the country and cancel visas to foreign countries that won't take them back
* FIFTH, suspend immigration from terror-prone regions where vetting cannot safely occur. All vetting of people coming into our country will be considered extreme vetting.
Next, I will work with Congress to introduce the following broader legislative measures and fight for their passage within the first 100 days of my Administration:
Middle Class Tax Relief And Simplification Act. An economic plan designed to grow the economy 4% per year and create at least 25 million new jobs through massive tax reduction and simplification, in combination with trade reform, regulatory relief, and lifting the restrictions on American energy. The largest tax reductions are for the middle class. A middle-class family with 2 children will get a 35% tax cut. The current number of brackets will be reduced from 7 to 3, and tax forms will likewise be greatly simplified. The business rate will be lowered from 35 to 15 percent, and the trillions of dollars of American corporate money overseas can now be brought back at a 10 percent rate.
End The Offshoring Act. Establishes tariffs to discourage companies from laying off their workers in order to relocate in other countries and ship their products back to the U.S. tax-free.
American Energy & Infrastructure Act. Leverages public-private partnerships, and private investments through tax incentives, to spur $1 trillion in infrastructure investment over 10 years. It is revenue neutral.
School Choice And Education Opportunity Act. Redirects education dollars to give parents the right to send their kid to the public, private, charter, magnet, religious or home school of their choice. Ends common core, brings education supervision to local communities. It expands vocational and technical education, and make 2 and 4-year college more affordable.
Repeal and Replace Obamacare Act. Fully repeals Obamacare and replaces it with Health Savings Accounts, the ability to purchase health insurance across state lines, and lets states manage Medicaid funds. Reforms will also include cutting the red tape at the FDA: there are over 4,000 drugs awaiting approval, and we especially want to speed the approval of life-saving medications.
Affordable Childcare and Eldercare Act. Allows Americans to deduct childcare and elder care from their taxes, incentivizes employers to provide on-side childcare services, and creates tax-free Dependent Care Savings Accounts for both young and elderly dependents, with matching contributions for low-income families.
End Illegal Immigration Act Fully-funds the construction of a wall on our southern border with the full understanding that the country Mexico will be reimbursing the United States for the full cost of such wall; establishes a 2-year mandatory minimum federal prison sentence for illegally re-entering the U.S. after a previous deportation, and a 5-year mandatory minimum for illegally re-entering for those with felony convictions, multiple misdemeanor convictions or two or more prior deportations; also reforms visa rules to enhance penalties for overstaying and to ensure open jobs are offered to American workers first.
Restoring Community Safety Act. Reduces surging crime, drugs and violence by creating a Task Force On Violent Crime and increasing funding for programs that train and assist local police; increases resources for federal law enforcement agencies and federal prosecutors to dismantle criminal gangs and put violent offenders behind bars.
Restoring National Security Act. Rebuilds our military by eliminating the defense sequester and expanding military investment; provides Veterans with the ability to receive public VA treatment or attend the private doctor of their choice; protects our vital infrastructure from cyber-attack; establishes new screening procedures for immigration to ensure those who are admitted to our country support our people and our values
Clean up Corruption in Washington Act. Enacts new ethics reforms to Drain the Swamp and reduce the corrupting influence of special interests on our politics.
On November 8th, Americans will be voting for this 100-day plan to restore prosperity to our economy, security to our communities, and honesty to our government.
This is my pledge to you.
And if we follow these steps, we will once more have a government of, by and for the people.
Edited by I Zeratul I, 10 November 2016 - 03:01 PM.
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Posted 10 November 2016 - 02:24 PM
This was a choice that about half of America made, and I certainly hope that it was truly for the right reasons. What ultimately makes Trump stand out from his critics is that he is generally dishonest and serves few but himself, perhaps more so than most politicians. Even if you voted for him, don't ever drop your guard. He is not your friend, and you would be a fool to think otherwise.
Hopefully he can address some real issues, but don't ever be surprised if he doesn't. Or make things worst.
Hopefully he can address some real issues, but don't ever be surprised if he doesn't. Or make things worst.
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Posted 10 November 2016 - 02:39 PM
I Zeratul I, on 10 November 2016 - 01:41 PM, said:
well if he starts printing moeny the % for the economy will surely rise, btu i doutb he can finance his little dreams of fixing stuff.
Also speeding up medication approvals, i hope that does not make US americans the next laboratory rats of the phrama industry.
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Lily from animove, on 10 November 2016 - 02:39 PM, said:
well if he starts printing moeny the % for the economy will surely rise, btu i doutb he can finance his little dreams of fixing stuff.
Also speeding up medication approvals, i hope that does not make US americans the next laboratory rats of the phrama industry.
There's no competition or free market based motivation to reduce spending or streamline operations in socialism where police, education, health care et al function as state sanctioned monopolies. The incentives Trump plans to introduce to cut spending and make government run programs more efficient and less wasteful will go a very long way.
Trump's tax cuts mirror Reagan era tax cuts. There's a seemingly counter intuitive historical precedent with lower taxes where lower taxes have been proven to reduce tax evasion and tax fraud. This implies that by reducing taxes the amount of tax revenues the state collects can actually increase as tax fraud declines.
I always thought Trump's tax and economic plan looked like it was designed to improve conditions in the united states for everyone. Hillary and Obama's tax and economic plans looked like they were designed to impoverish and destroy america with deficit, trade deficits, excessive taxes & regulation / debt.
I know a lot of shills and media mouthpieces say Trump's economic plans don't work. But the stock market on its way up seems to prove the opposite.
Edited by I Zeratul I, 10 November 2016 - 03:03 PM.
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I Zeratul I, on 10 November 2016 - 02:56 PM, said:
There's no competition or free market based motivation to reduce spending or streamline operations in socialism where police, education, health care et al function as state sanctioned monopolies. The incentives Trump plans to introduce to cut spending and make government run programs more efficient and less wasteful will go a very long way.
Except the billions upon billions it will take to fund his stupid wall.
And some things don't need a competitive market. Health care if controlled by the government could easily be kept cheap or... FREE and then people wouldn't go into bankruptcy because they couldn't afford to have basic human rights, and get medical attention.
I Zeratul I, on 10 November 2016 - 02:56 PM, said:
Trump's tax cuts mirror Reagan era tax cuts. There's a seemingly counter intuitive historical precedent with lower taxes where lower taxes have been proven to reduce tax evasion and tax fraud. This implies that by reducing taxes the amount of tax revenues the state collects can actually increase as tax fraud declines.
Yeah... the Reagan era... where he gave weapons in masses to Iraq and the enemies to prolong wars. Great era to take advice from. Also don't bring up tax evasion or fraud around Trump, given he hasn't payed his taxes in ages most likely.
I Zeratul I, on 10 November 2016 - 02:56 PM, said:
I always thought Trump's tax and economic plan looked like it was designed to improve conditions in the united states for everyone. Hillary and Obama's tax and economic plans looked like they were designed to impoverish and destroy america with deficit, trade deficits, excessive taxes & regulation / debt.
Haha still harping on the man who reduced unemployment, saved the economy, gave us free healthcare, got us out of Afghanistan, killed Bin Laden, made gas the cheapest its been in years, got gay people the right to marry, and actually had a lower debt than the last 5 presidents have (Reagan is the biggest spender in USA history actually).
How about we harp on George Jr. for a bit... I mean the man did send us into an economic crisis for a while.
I Zeratul I, on 10 November 2016 - 02:56 PM, said:
I know a lot of shills and media mouthpieces say Trump's economic plans don't work. But the stock market on its way up seems to prove the opposite.
Can't say anything about the stock market at all because its currently still the Obama administration... so you are only saying that Obama is a badass who is just making our economy great again.
So... yeah come back when you have something that favors Trump.
I honestly think he and Hillary were both destructive idiots, and frankly I went and voted third party because I couldn't vote for either of these numb skulls with a clear conscience.
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"FIFTH, I will lift the restrictions on the production of $50 trillion dollars' worth of job-producing American energy reserves, including shale, oil, natural gas and clean coal."
WHAT ABOUT CLEAN ENERGY??????????????????????????????????????????????? WE GOT SO MANY ENERGY SOURCES THAT CAN PROVIDE JOBS FOR SKILLED WORKERS.
WHAT ABOUT CLEAN ENERGY??????????????????????????????????????????????? WE GOT SO MANY ENERGY SOURCES THAT CAN PROVIDE JOBS FOR SKILLED WORKERS.
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BLOOD WOLF, on 10 November 2016 - 09:24 PM, said:
"FIFTH, I will lift the restrictions on the production of $50 trillion dollars' worth of job-producing American energy reserves, including shale, oil, natural gas and clean coal."
WHAT ABOUT CLEAN ENERGY??????????????????????????????????????????????? WE GOT SO MANY ENERGY SOURCES THAT CAN PROVIDE JOBS FOR SKILLED WORKERS.
WHAT ABOUT CLEAN ENERGY??????????????????????????????????????????????? WE GOT SO MANY ENERGY SOURCES THAT CAN PROVIDE JOBS FOR SKILLED WORKERS.
I'm a very big fan of alt energy, addressing climate change & things like that.
But I don't support politicians with clean energy policies. In the past they've always been disasters. The last time a politician "supported" alt fuels/alt energy we ended up with mandatory ethanol in gasoline. Basically the worst alt fuel imaginable.
When politicians say they want to buy solar panels and support clean energy, what they really mean is they want to use billions of american taxpayer dollars to create thousands of solar panel jobs in china. They want to strengthen and grow china or other countries alternative energy economy at the expense of US taxpayers. Its pretty much never about what's good for the environment or what's best for america. Its politicians doing whatever puts the most money in their pockets. What is most profitable for them is typically selling out the united states, and selling out americans in favor of international special interests.
Not to imply that Hillary and democrats are 100% evil and Trump and republicans are 100% good. Traditionally the republican party is funded by big oil. Democrats are funded by other parties. There's a reason why Sarah Palin was so enthusiastic about big oil with her "drill baby drill". As was Bush and every other republican ever. Trump being a republican--his support would naturally be for programs that benefit big oil, fossil fuels/hydrocarbon based fuel sources. There is no such thing as "clean coal", natural gas and fracking are terrible for the environment as are pipelines and shale oil is inefficient to mine and refine. There are a lot of problems and negatives associated with fossil fuels(as well as their respective upside) but Trump essentially has no choice but to push fossil fuels as those are the things his political party relies on for survival, to maintain their majority and maybe to pass laws which enact change.
One might say our political system is in much greater need of balancing and reworking than any MMO online game ever.
Edited by I Zeratul I, 10 November 2016 - 10:26 PM.
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MarineTechs Protege, on 10 November 2016 - 08:56 PM, said:
Except the billions upon billions it will take to fund his stupid wall.
And some things don't need a competitive market. Health care if controlled by the government could easily be kept cheap or... FREE and then people wouldn't go into bankruptcy because they couldn't afford to have basic human rights, and get medical attention.
And some things don't need a competitive market. Health care if controlled by the government could easily be kept cheap or... FREE and then people wouldn't go into bankruptcy because they couldn't afford to have basic human rights, and get medical attention.
Despite what the mainstream media says, there already is a massive wall separating mexico from the united states. The wall has been there for decades with each successive american President making it bigger and better. Here's a picture of the wall taken by national geographic earlier this year.
I don't get why people think its easy to fix healthcare. Obama said he would fix healthcare in 2008 and said it again when he ran for re-election in 2012. He's been in office for 8 years without fixing healthcare. Before Obama and the affordable care act, politicians stalled for decades without any real effort being made to fix healthcare. Politicians have been talking about fixing american healthcare for decades and nothing real has ever been done to fix it in all that time.
What compounds things, making them worse is the average american being unaware of obamacare being funded by 20 different tax hikes to fund an expansion of the number of middle men working in the healthcare industry under an administrative role as well as funding subsidies. Wal mart's success is based on reducing the number of middle men inbetween their suppliers and stores which increases their efficiency. How did americans ever believe increasing the number of middle men in the healthcare industry would reduce the cost of healthcare? That more than anything defines the real problem with healthcare and politics in the united states, the majority of people are uninformed when it comes to the details of how programs are implemented. Politicians and the media prey upon the public's lack of knowledge, keeping them as uninformed as possible to make it easier to take advantage of them.
MarineTechs Protege, on 10 November 2016 - 08:56 PM, said:
Yeah... the Reagan era... where he gave weapons in masses to Iraq and the enemies to prolong wars. Great era to take advice from. Also don't bring up tax evasion or fraud around Trump, given he hasn't payed his taxes in ages most likely.
Bill Clinton gave nuclear weapons to north korea and the Jongs when he was President. Where's the public outrage over that? There is none. The media cherry picks who they criticize. If a President like Bill Clinton passes policies that make bankers and one percenters happy, they don't get criticized by the media ever. For Presidents like Ronald Reagan who raised taxes on the rich and gave tax breaks to the poor and middle class--they are attacked relentlessly by the media.
That's one point that is severely neglected. For the most part people haven't woken up to the fact that the media hasn't reported news objectively or without bias since they stopped criticizing George W. Bush for expanding the deficit. The media definitely attacks Reagan and he is a target of smear campaigns but its not because he was a bad President or because his economic or tax policies failed. Its because Reagan refused to be a puppet for the elites. Bill and Hillary Clinton are never criticized by the media not because they're good at what they do, its because they are puppets for the wealthy and for elites. And its because they're willing to screw over their fellow americans for money.
As a businessman, Trump's job is to pay taxes not make fair tax laws. Its been known that the richest people in america pay 17% income taxes or lower for near to a decade when Warren Buffett reported on his taxes being lower than his secretaries. Its never been an issue and no one has ever seemed to care very much about it for the last 10 years, until Trump ran for office.
MarineTechs Protege, on 10 November 2016 - 08:56 PM, said:
Haha still harping on the man who reduced unemployment, saved the economy, gave us free healthcare, got us out of Afghanistan, killed Bin Laden, made gas the cheapest its been in years, got gay people the right to marry, and actually had a lower debt than the last 5 presidents have (Reagan is the biggest spender in USA history actually).
How about we harp on George Jr. for a bit... I mean the man did send us into an economic crisis for a while.
How about we harp on George Jr. for a bit... I mean the man did send us into an economic crisis for a while.
I don't think negatively about Obama. In the beginning of his first term he did try to fix things. What happened? Everytime someone put a policy that was bad for the united states and bad for america on the table, the majority of americans supported it and fought for it to their last breath. The affordable care act(obamacare) was a horrible policy. Yet americans fought tooth and nail to get it passed and refused to listen to facts or those who knew it was terrible.
There's no way I could blame Obama for that. I don't blame Obama for any number of terrible and extremely stupid things that happened under his two terms. Americans got what they wanted and what they wanted was to be very determined to support things that screwed themselves. I don't blame Obama in the least. He tried to fix things in the beginning but people were too much in thrall to the media and its mind control for his hands to be anything other than tied. I don't blame Obama for giving up on a country that had seemingly given up on itself.
MarineTechs Protege, on 10 November 2016 - 08:56 PM, said:
Can't say anything about the stock market at all because its currently still the Obama administration... so you are only saying that Obama is a badass who is just making our economy great again.
So... yeah come back when you have something that favors Trump.
I honestly think he and Hillary were both destructive idiots, and frankly I went and voted third party because I couldn't vote for either of these numb skulls with a clear conscience.
So... yeah come back when you have something that favors Trump.
I honestly think he and Hillary were both destructive idiots, and frankly I went and voted third party because I couldn't vote for either of these numb skulls with a clear conscience.
There is A LOT that favors Trump.
If Trump isn't assassinated or doesn't die under mysterious circumstances I think people are going to see that for themselves without me having to say anything.
Edited by I Zeratul I, 10 November 2016 - 11:07 PM.
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Kalimaster, on 09 November 2016 - 03:40 PM, said:
Today we elected Trump for our President.
We, as a nation, look forward with optimism to this new President.
Why? We are tired of driving past empty store fronts, looking for work in what was once thriving towns, glancing at the faces of our neighbors who have been driven into poverty over the last few years.
This is the reason why Donald Trump became president, in hopes of breathing life back into our towns that are full of vacant shops. To put a pay check back on the table.
Right or wrong this is a choice we made. Doubt what I say. Drive thru small town america and open your eyes. Yes the world is nervous. Yes the nation is nervous. In this election the voice of the unemployed cried out, the voice of middle america that had been struggling.
This was the choice of a nation in pain, looking for relief from it's suffering.
Now we pray we made the right one.
Good Luck Mr. Trump, we are giving you the chance to make a difference.
We, as a nation, look forward with optimism to this new President.
Why? We are tired of driving past empty store fronts, looking for work in what was once thriving towns, glancing at the faces of our neighbors who have been driven into poverty over the last few years.
This is the reason why Donald Trump became president, in hopes of breathing life back into our towns that are full of vacant shops. To put a pay check back on the table.
Right or wrong this is a choice we made. Doubt what I say. Drive thru small town america and open your eyes. Yes the world is nervous. Yes the nation is nervous. In this election the voice of the unemployed cried out, the voice of middle america that had been struggling.
This was the choice of a nation in pain, looking for relief from it's suffering.
Now we pray we made the right one.
Good Luck Mr. Trump, we are giving you the chance to make a difference.
May you live in interesting times.
Just keep the rest of the world out of it.
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I Zeratul I, on 10 November 2016 - 02:56 PM, said:
There's no competition or free market based motivation to reduce spending or streamline operations in socialism where police, education, health care et al function as state sanctioned monopolies. The incentives Trump plans to introduce to cut spending and make government run programs more efficient and less wasteful will go a very long way.
Trump's tax cuts mirror Reagan era tax cuts. There's a seemingly counter intuitive historical precedent with lower taxes where lower taxes have been proven to reduce tax evasion and tax fraud. This implies that by reducing taxes the amount of tax revenues the state collects can actually increase as tax fraud declines.
I always thought Trump's tax and economic plan looked like it was designed to improve conditions in the united states for everyone. Hillary and Obama's tax and economic plans looked like they were designed to impoverish and destroy america with deficit, trade deficits, excessive taxes & regulation / debt.
I know a lot of shills and media mouthpieces say Trump's economic plans don't work. But the stock market on its way up seems to prove the opposite.
of cours ethe stock market goes up, because you can expect more profit if less tax has to be paid, bbut this doesn't equals economy will be better.
study your previousm presidents history and how their decisions affect depts, you will see what trump wants is going to be very expensive for your entire nation. I feel pity already with the one who will come after him having to get your nation out of this financial mess. What you think about trumps or hillaries tax plans is irrelevant. You have history seek what it did, then ask yourself why and by what magic would make a similar plan executed now turnout different this times.
Most important economic lesson: Companies sell products to consumers, consumers spet money. You need to make sure that a lot consumer shave money then companies will be fine too. Reducing tax will just grant money where money already is and thats not the wide mass of consumers, and in a saturated market you don't need more companies producing more stuff no one can buy because he doesn't have the money. you need to properly shift money form those piling it to those who are "poor" enough to spent all they get. because tha keeps money in the flow. Thats why all ou products are now produced in china and consumed by the poeple aroudn the world, because in china people (woker) are so low paid that prices will be low. And when your own peopel don't have money it forces them to buy cheap.
so when trumps "lower taxes" shall succeed he has to make sure that the additional money the wealthy and companies get by paying less taxes is goin not to the stock market, and not to just generate more profit. It needs to go to the workers and their salary. Beause then you get people out of that cycle as they then have money to bu your more expensive products than those made form children in china. Also that way he will make sure that the money is spent IN his own country which means circulating money generates taxes more often. But in the current times I guess those tax reduction will just lead to more profit and be spent between richer people on the stock market and in worst case could start a hosuing bubble effect on many companies.
I Zeratul I, on 10 November 2016 - 10:12 PM, said:
I'm a very big fan of alt energy, addressing climate change & things like that.
But I don't support politicians with clean energy policies. In the past they've always been disasters. The last time a politician "supported" alt fuels/alt energy we ended up with mandatory ethanol in gasoline. Basically the worst alt fuel imaginable.
When politicians say they want to buy solar panels and support clean energy, what they really mean is they want to use billions of american taxpayer dollars to create thousands of solar panel jobs in china. They want to strengthen and grow china or other countries alternative energy economy at the expense of US taxpayers. Its pretty much never about what's good for the environment or what's best for america. Its politicians doing whatever puts the most money in their pockets. What is most profitable for them is typically selling out the united states, and selling out americans in favor of international special interests.
Not to imply that Hillary and democrats are 100% evil and Trump and republicans are 100% good. Traditionally the republican party is funded by big oil. Democrats are funded by other parties. There's a reason why Sarah Palin was so enthusiastic about big oil with her "drill baby drill". As was Bush and every other republican ever. Trump being a republican--his support would naturally be for programs that benefit big oil, fossil fuels/hydrocarbon based fuel sources. There is no such thing as "clean coal", natural gas and fracking are terrible for the environment as are pipelines and shale oil is inefficient to mine and refine. There are a lot of problems and negatives associated with fossil fuels(as well as their respective upside) but Trump essentially has no choice but to push fossil fuels as those are the things his political party relies on for survival, to maintain their majority and maybe to pass laws which enact change.
One might say our political system is in much greater need of balancing and reworking than any MMO online game ever.
see thats a similar issue, in fact a nation should support public producers not foreign ones. But thats again such a binary topic, it is either hyped or totally neglected. No one tried any reasonable climate and energy concept.
And such a concept would include also reducing the energy consumption which also requires a lot change in the society and our enrgy consuming behavior. Such a change needs to be done slow and will include the usage of old fossile fuels as you cannot sap it as fast as people think.
Look what Angela Merkel did. After Fukuushima she put her nose in the wind, smelled the anti nuclear mood in the air and enacted to get rid of all the nuclear power plants. But she never gave a plan how nor controlled that, in fact not much was even done. Just a babbling old lady doing nothing much after. And the french just build some nuclear power plants and will surely seel the power to germany. So in th end there was nothing that improved the overall situation.
also, wans't the issue with obamas healthcare the republicans in the congress blocking/dismantling it? You can't really blame a president for something the other party just tries to prevent.
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Mystere, on 11 November 2016 - 03:29 AM, said:
May you live in interesting times.
Just keep the rest of the world out of it.
Its Trump... he already said he wants to play with nuclear weapons. So the chances of him leaving the rest of the world out of anything is slim to none.
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I Zeratul I, on 10 November 2016 - 11:02 PM, said:
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Bill Clinton gave nuclear weapons to north korea and the Jongs when he was President. Where's the public outrage over that? There is none. The media cherry picks who they criticize.
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Sorry, what? So the 1959 USSR nuclear cooperation agreement with them wasn't responsible? That's news to me, and also, I imagine, everyone with a foothold in reality.
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I Zeratul I, on 10 November 2016 - 11:02 PM, said:
Bill Clinton gave nuclear weapons to north korea and the Jongs when he was President.
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Obamacare is the health care plan the Republicans put on the table in the Clinton administration when they nixed the superior single payer system.
The problem with health care is health insurance. Insurance is literally a gambling system; it's a terrible, terrible system for health care.
Health care is one of the few things that *should* be socialized. It does not benefit from competition nor profit, it benefits from healthy citizens. In that concept it's like the military. The problem with education in the US is the inclusion of capitalist ideals, functionally competing for dollars for students. If students in Brooklyn got the same caliber of education as students in Beverly Hills we'd have a system 100x better than we do today.
The solution to our economic woes is not to try and lure manufacturing jobs back to the US. We lost those jobs not because of trade agreements but because the Japaneses made better cars faster and for less money. American made cars were a joke because we were worse at making cars. Full stop. Globalization let us leverage what we do have to offset that and get cars made elsewhere for less money and profit from their production. If we had a better education system American workers would be better able to compete in a global economy. The solution is not to try and force Americans to pay more for often inferior domestic goods, it's to adapt to the market and be the person and the product worth buying.
Reagan gave top earners a huge tax cut. Down to 28%, one of the lowest tax rates on the rich we've ever had. The result was that the US deficit ballooned to 6% of GDP. To put into context Obama has wrested the amazing, historic deficit of 10% that George W. Bush gave us down to 3.2% in 2016, estimated 2.6% for 2017.
George W. Bush was the first president to actually run the deficit up higher than Reagan did. Reagan ended up rolling back his tax cuts and even expanding taxes by the end of his term to deal with the ballooning deficit. He also grew the IRS to the largest it had ever been.
Obama has been an excellent fiscal conservative; better than any president we've had since before Carter. While Bill Clinton left us with a tax surplus that was a result of the US adoption of NAFTA and the beginning of globalization, which lifted the US economy and GDP growth. He also gave a modest tax increase to the rich. He also had one of the smartest approaches to increasing domestic employment with smart, targeted work programs and an approach to poverty and unemployment based on giving them education and opportunity to get employment (or better employment).
A smart fiscal conservative doesn't object to federal spending - you just want your money spent in a productive way and you recognize it actually has to come from somewhere.
The problem with health care is health insurance. Insurance is literally a gambling system; it's a terrible, terrible system for health care.
Health care is one of the few things that *should* be socialized. It does not benefit from competition nor profit, it benefits from healthy citizens. In that concept it's like the military. The problem with education in the US is the inclusion of capitalist ideals, functionally competing for dollars for students. If students in Brooklyn got the same caliber of education as students in Beverly Hills we'd have a system 100x better than we do today.
The solution to our economic woes is not to try and lure manufacturing jobs back to the US. We lost those jobs not because of trade agreements but because the Japaneses made better cars faster and for less money. American made cars were a joke because we were worse at making cars. Full stop. Globalization let us leverage what we do have to offset that and get cars made elsewhere for less money and profit from their production. If we had a better education system American workers would be better able to compete in a global economy. The solution is not to try and force Americans to pay more for often inferior domestic goods, it's to adapt to the market and be the person and the product worth buying.
Reagan gave top earners a huge tax cut. Down to 28%, one of the lowest tax rates on the rich we've ever had. The result was that the US deficit ballooned to 6% of GDP. To put into context Obama has wrested the amazing, historic deficit of 10% that George W. Bush gave us down to 3.2% in 2016, estimated 2.6% for 2017.
George W. Bush was the first president to actually run the deficit up higher than Reagan did. Reagan ended up rolling back his tax cuts and even expanding taxes by the end of his term to deal with the ballooning deficit. He also grew the IRS to the largest it had ever been.
Obama has been an excellent fiscal conservative; better than any president we've had since before Carter. While Bill Clinton left us with a tax surplus that was a result of the US adoption of NAFTA and the beginning of globalization, which lifted the US economy and GDP growth. He also gave a modest tax increase to the rich. He also had one of the smartest approaches to increasing domestic employment with smart, targeted work programs and an approach to poverty and unemployment based on giving them education and opportunity to get employment (or better employment).
A smart fiscal conservative doesn't object to federal spending - you just want your money spent in a productive way and you recognize it actually has to come from somewhere.
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MischiefSC, on 11 November 2016 - 10:25 AM, said:
Obamacare is the health care plan the Republicans put on the table in the Clinton administration when they nixed the superior single payer system.
The problem with health care is health insurance. Insurance is literally a gambling system; it's a terrible, terrible system for health care.
Health care is one of the few things that *should* be socialized. It does not benefit from competition nor profit, it benefits from healthy citizens. In that concept it's like the military. The problem with education in the US is the inclusion of capitalist ideals, functionally competing for dollars for students. If students in Brooklyn got the same caliber of education as students in Beverly Hills we'd have a system 100x better than we do today.
The solution to our economic woes is not to try and lure manufacturing jobs back to the US. We lost those jobs not because of trade agreements but because the Japaneses made better cars faster and for less money. American made cars were a joke because we were worse at making cars. Full stop. Globalization let us leverage what we do have to offset that and get cars made elsewhere for less money and profit from their production. If we had a better education system American workers would be better able to compete in a global economy. The solution is not to try and force Americans to pay more for often inferior domestic goods, it's to adapt to the market and be the person and the product worth buying.
Reagan gave top earners a huge tax cut. Down to 28%, one of the lowest tax rates on the rich we've ever had. The result was that the US deficit ballooned to 6% of GDP. To put into context Obama has wrested the amazing, historic deficit of 10% that George W. Bush gave us down to 3.2% in 2016, estimated 2.6% for 2017.
George W. Bush was the first president to actually run the deficit up higher than Reagan did. Reagan ended up rolling back his tax cuts and even expanding taxes by the end of his term to deal with the ballooning deficit. He also grew the IRS to the largest it had ever been.
Obama has been an excellent fiscal conservative; better than any president we've had since before Carter. While Bill Clinton left us with a tax surplus that was a result of the US adoption of NAFTA and the beginning of globalization, which lifted the US economy and GDP growth. He also gave a modest tax increase to the rich. He also had one of the smartest approaches to increasing domestic employment with smart, targeted work programs and an approach to poverty and unemployment based on giving them education and opportunity to get employment (or better employment).
A smart fiscal conservative doesn't object to federal spending - you just want your money spent in a productive way and you recognize it actually has to come from somewhere.
The problem with health care is health insurance. Insurance is literally a gambling system; it's a terrible, terrible system for health care.
Health care is one of the few things that *should* be socialized. It does not benefit from competition nor profit, it benefits from healthy citizens. In that concept it's like the military. The problem with education in the US is the inclusion of capitalist ideals, functionally competing for dollars for students. If students in Brooklyn got the same caliber of education as students in Beverly Hills we'd have a system 100x better than we do today.
The solution to our economic woes is not to try and lure manufacturing jobs back to the US. We lost those jobs not because of trade agreements but because the Japaneses made better cars faster and for less money. American made cars were a joke because we were worse at making cars. Full stop. Globalization let us leverage what we do have to offset that and get cars made elsewhere for less money and profit from their production. If we had a better education system American workers would be better able to compete in a global economy. The solution is not to try and force Americans to pay more for often inferior domestic goods, it's to adapt to the market and be the person and the product worth buying.
Reagan gave top earners a huge tax cut. Down to 28%, one of the lowest tax rates on the rich we've ever had. The result was that the US deficit ballooned to 6% of GDP. To put into context Obama has wrested the amazing, historic deficit of 10% that George W. Bush gave us down to 3.2% in 2016, estimated 2.6% for 2017.
George W. Bush was the first president to actually run the deficit up higher than Reagan did. Reagan ended up rolling back his tax cuts and even expanding taxes by the end of his term to deal with the ballooning deficit. He also grew the IRS to the largest it had ever been.
Obama has been an excellent fiscal conservative; better than any president we've had since before Carter. While Bill Clinton left us with a tax surplus that was a result of the US adoption of NAFTA and the beginning of globalization, which lifted the US economy and GDP growth. He also gave a modest tax increase to the rich. He also had one of the smartest approaches to increasing domestic employment with smart, targeted work programs and an approach to poverty and unemployment based on giving them education and opportunity to get employment (or better employment).
A smart fiscal conservative doesn't object to federal spending - you just want your money spent in a productive way and you recognize it actually has to come from somewhere.
So much smart in this post.
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