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[Quicksilver Aberration]

Johnny Z, on 23 November 2016 - 02:25 PM, said:

Maybe some of the guys up top would get less trolling if they had nicer legs?

.....I can't even with this statement. Putting a smiley face at the end of it doesn't make it less cringe worthy (I think it makes it worse) even if it is true that would be the case (well, they would be trolled, but in a sadder manner).

Edited by Quicksilver Kalasa, 23 November 2016 - 02:33 PM.

[Johnny Z]

Quicksilver Kalasa, on 23 November 2016 - 02:30 PM, said:

.....I can't even with this statement. Putting a smiley face at the end of it doesn't make it less cringe worthy (I think it makes it worse) even if it is true that would be the case (well, they would be trolled, but in a sadder manner).

You cant even what? This is the character this entire topic is based on below. The last two characters added to Overwatch were female characters to my knowledge. I couldnt care less, just saying hey.



Star Citizen puts a huge amount of money into PR or what ever it is called. Is that a good way to spend the money? I don't know. Is it being done right? I dont know. World of Warships is doing it right? I really don't know. What about Overwatch? They have a lot of PR videos I can put on here to.

For me I got no complaints with PR for MW.

This video below use mouse to look around, its 360 viewable.

Edited by Johnny Z, 23 November 2016 - 02:57 PM.

[BLOOD WOLF]

over-watch?

a good example of making some characters obsolete

that game is a mess of balance. Funny how every person on another forum thinks another game is the golden mean of balance.

"worst patch yet."- a quote from a player on the over watch forums.

I love how the devs there understand their game so much that they never make balance mistakes.

Edited by BLOOD WOLF, 23 November 2016 - 02:51 PM.

[Quicksilver Aberration]

BLOOD WOLF, on 23 November 2016 - 02:47 PM, said:

a good example of making some characters obsolete

Ummmmm, have you played this game? There are as many if not more useful meta characters in Overwatch than there are meta mechs in this game and that is with restrictions, and yet we have almost 20 times the number of characters as Overwatch.....

BLOOD WOLF, on 23 November 2016 - 02:47 PM, said:

that game is a mess of balance. Funny how every person on another forum thinks another game is the golden mean of balance.

Usage stats would say otherwise because they didn't do the stupid thing of having almost 400 different characters.

BLOOD WOLF, on 23 November 2016 - 02:47 PM, said:

"worst patch yet."- a quote from a player on the over watch forums.

Cherry picking one post out of a sea of posts doesn't really make your argument.....

BLOOD WOLF, on 23 November 2016 - 02:47 PM, said:

I love how the devs there understand their game so much that they never make balance mistakes.

No one made such a claim, you and strawmen love each other it seems.

Edited by Quicksilver Kalasa, 23 November 2016 - 03:17 PM.

[Johnny Z]

I think these are great. There are quite a few of these.

Edited by Johnny Z, 23 November 2016 - 03:29 PM.

[BLOOD WOLF]

Quicksilver Kalasa, on 23 November 2016 - 03:16 PM, said:

Ummmmm, have you played this game? There are as many if not more useful meta characters in Overwatch than there are meta mechs in this game and that is with restrictions, and yet we have almost 20 times the number of characters as Overwatch.....

no i havn't, but I read what people have to say who did play that game. there are still characters that outrank others, that is never good.

Quicksilver Kalasa, on 23 November 2016 - 03:16 PM, said:

Usage stats would say otherwise because they didn't do the stupid thing of having almost 400 different characters.

what does that have to do with anything? doesn't matter if they have 10 or 50 characters. When you make certain characters outshine others the numbers don't matter. I am not saying this game does not have that problem if there is such a problem.

Quicksilver Kalasa, on 23 November 2016 - 03:16 PM, said:

Cherry picking one post out of a sea of posts doesn't really make your argument.....


No one made such a claim, you and strawmen love each other it seems.

so you are going to deny that their are players who have a problem with that games balance, such as the people who play this game have a problem with MWO's balance? ever seen a forum where people don't complain about balance. You are going to have people on both sides most of the time. I am not saying that there are not games or even elemants where everybody is satisfied but that is rare.

"No one made such a claim, you and strawmen love each other it seems."- I never stated that anybody made such a claim. even if I did that would not be a straw man. A straw man is attacking an argument that is not your which I never did. So learn what a straw man is before you accuse me of making on. I might as well add you are probably going to ad-hominem or straw man me, but you can prove me wrong.

[dervishx5]

:looks in on thread:

Yeah... nope.

[Y E O N N E]

BLOOD WOLF, on 23 November 2016 - 03:29 PM, said:

"No one made such a claim, you and strawmen love each other it seems."- I never stated that anybody made such a claim. even if I did that would not be a straw man. A straw man is attacking an argument that is not your which I never did. So learn what a straw man is before you accuse me of making on. I might as well add you are probably going to ad-hominem or straw man me, but you can prove me wrong.

You implied it with your snarky statement about devs never making mistakes.

I understand that logic and critical thinking are hard for regressive Clan barbarians, but please at least try.

[BlueFlames]

BLOOD WOLF, on 23 November 2016 - 03:29 PM, said:

no i havn't, but I read what people have to say who did play that game. there are still characters that outrank others, that is never good.

Sure, because the Dragon, Catapult, and Cauldron Born are all considered equal competitors in MWO.
See also Panther, Adder, and Jenner IIC.
Or maybe the Orion, Black Knight, and Mad Cat.

There's enough equal-weight mechs that are so poorly balanced against each other that I could do this all day. It's way beyond one or two mechs slipping through the cracks and down to balance being controlled by a man who played, died in, and lost two games in the last five months.

Edited by BlueFlames, 23 November 2016 - 03:45 PM.

[BLOOD WOLF]

BlueFlames, on 23 November 2016 - 03:44 PM, said:

Sure, because the Dragon, Catapult, and Cauldron Born are all considered equal competitors in MWO.
See also Panther, Adder, and Jenner IIC.
Or maybe the Orion, Black Knight, and Mad Cat.

There's enough equal-weight mechs that are so poorly balanced against each other that I could do this all day. It's way beyond one or two mechs slipping through the cracks and down to balance being controlled by a man who played, died in, and lost two games in the last five months.

I was going to type this earlier, but the problem with battletech is that mechs were definitely not made equal. neither were the weapons. I don't think its possible to balance an orion and a timberwolf, not possible.

Thats not pauls as i see it. The issues stem from the inherent nature of the battlemechs. I spoke to soon, some things were definitely the balance teams fault, when it comes to specific values.

Edited by BLOOD WOLF, 23 November 2016 - 03:51 PM.

[dervishx5]

BLOOD WOLF, on 23 November 2016 - 03:48 PM, said:

I was going to type this earlier, but the problem with battletech is that mechs were definitely not made equal. neither were the weapons. I don't think its possible to balance an orion and a timberwolf, not possible.

Thats not pauls as i see it. The issues stem from the inherent nature of the battlemechs. I spoke to soon, some things were definitely the balance teams fault, when it comes to specific values.

So there IS a limit to your zeal. Fascinating.

A genuine congratulations from my end. Now we might be able to have a discussion on the tenants of compromise.

[BLOOD WOLF]

dervishx5, on 23 November 2016 - 03:53 PM, said:

So there IS a limit to your zeal. Fascinating.

A genuine congratulations from my end. Now we might be able to have a discussion on the tenants of compromise.

there was not any zeal to begin with. I have been making post like that since I got on these forums, but the second I say something that disagrees our confronts a narrative, then its back to the same old.

Edited by BLOOD WOLF, 23 November 2016 - 04:15 PM.

[dervishx5]

BLOOD WOLF, on 23 November 2016 - 04:13 PM, said:

there was not any zeal to begin with. I have been making post like that since I got on these forums, but the second I say something that disagrees our confronts a narrative, then its back to the same old.

That's called having a victim complex.

[BLOOD WOLF]

dervishx5, on 23 November 2016 - 04:19 PM, said:

That's called having a victim complex.

you just said above that i have some kind of zeal. Why would you make that post? Since I believe I never had a zeal for anything ever.

[RedDragon]

Appogee, on 23 November 2016 - 10:53 AM, said:

The fact that they appointed such an inexperienced person to be Community Manager demonstrates just how much value PGI place on the community and on that role.

About that Community Manager ... Funny fact: After posting nothing here for days/weeks, Tina finally logged in some days ago, locked a topic in the Offtopic section that no one had posted in for a month, and then she vanished again.
It's quite hillarious. I can really imagine how it is to work for PGI:
"Oh, I should show more presence on the forums!"
*logs in, selects and locks a random topic, logs out again*
"Whew, enough work for today!"

[RestosIII]

RedDragon, on 23 November 2016 - 05:35 PM, said:

About that Community Manager ... Funny fact: After posting nothing here for days/weeks, Tina finally logged in some days ago, locked a topic in the Offtopic section that no one had posted in for a month, and then she vanished again.
It's quite hillarious. I can really imagine how it is to work for PGI:
"Oh, I should show more presence on the forums!"
*logs in, selects and locks a random topic, logs out again*
"Whew, enough work for today!"

And it was purely to shut the thread down as well, no actual substance to it.

[Quicksilver Aberration]

BLOOD WOLF, on 23 November 2016 - 03:29 PM, said:

no i havn't, but I read what people have to say who did play that game. there are still characters that outrank others, that is never good.

Again, and is that different than this game where literally hundreds (actually more around 300) different characters are outranked vs a game where maybe half are if not less (and not by as wide of margins either).

BLOOD WOLF, on 23 November 2016 - 03:29 PM, said:

what does that have to do with anything? doesn't matter if they have 10 or 50 characters. When you make certain characters outshine others the numbers don't matter. I am not saying this game does not have that problem if there is such a problem.

Every game has that problem, perfect balance is unattainable, but it naive and quite frankly stupid to think that all inequalities are equal in magnitude and are the same. This game has a far larger gulf between best and worse than Overwatch.

BLOOD WOLF, on 23 November 2016 - 03:29 PM, said:

so you are going to deny that their are players who have a problem with that games balance

Nothing is going to be perfect to everybody, again, anybody who thinks otherwise doesn't understand humanity. That said, I'm willing to bet that those who have played both MWO and Overwatch would say Overwatch either has better balance or a more proactive (read better) balance team.

BLOOD WOLF, on 23 November 2016 - 03:29 PM, said:

"No one made such a claim, you and strawmen love each other it seems."- I never stated that anybody made such a claim. even if I did that would not be a straw man. A straw man is attacking an argument that is not your which I never did. So learn what a straw man is before you accuse me of making on. I might as well add you are probably going to ad-hominem or straw man me, but you can prove me wrong.

Yeonne has me covered there.

[Deathlike]

So, I succumbed to buying this on a Black Friday sale, having only played it for under 1 hour in the free play weekend.

That sums up why Paul can't be like this... because I would have to spend money to make it hurt less (which is a large gaping wound that's full of salt and only the stuff that can be applied to it is bandaids or removal of that section, instead of finding the proper cure/fix for it).

#thanksPGI

[BLOOD WOLF]

Quicksilver Kalasa, on 23 November 2016 - 05:40 PM, said:

Again, and is that different than this game where literally hundreds (actually more around 300) different characters are outranked vs a game where maybe half are if not less (and not by as wide of margins either).


Every game has that problem, perfect balance is unattainable, but it naive and quite frankly stupid to think that all inequalities are equal in magnitude and are the same. This game has a far larger gulf between best and worse than Overwatch.


Nothing is going to be perfect to everybody, again, anybody who thinks otherwise doesn't understand humanity. That said, I'm willing to bet that those who have played both MWO and Overwatch would say Overwatch either has better balance or a more proactive (read better) balance team.


Yeonne has me covered there.

One thing to say. I think this is special pleading.

So the fact that MWO has 300+ mechs and overwatch has far few means anything Is beyond me. It doesn't matter the size, as long as both games have players that complain about balancing, and both games clearly have items that are unbalanced.

"inequalities are equal in magnitude and are the same"-nobody said this, so sounds like a straw man to me, yet you accused me of straw manning.

"Nothing is going to be perfect to everybody, again, anybody who thinks otherwise doesn't understand humanity. That said, I'm willing to bet that those who have played both MWO and Overwatch would say Overwatch either has better balance or a more proactive (read better) balance team."-----well i doubt that. I am interested, why do you say that over watch has better balance or a more proactive balance team, the latter I will grant that you have more evidence for, then again with the latest PTS maybe not

Edited by BLOOD WOLF, 23 November 2016 - 07:44 PM.

[Carl Vickers]

Well, you seem to sound like an expert (former drip under pressure) for someone who has never played the game, good job.