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[GrimRiver]

And people say I'm BS'ing when I end up with T4/5 on my team.

It's why I see 3-5 people on my team everytime with the highest score while the rest are sub 200-300's.

I understand people can have off days but every game there's always 3-5 top players pulling the team while the rest are lax, all the time everytime without fail.

I ask how many sub T3's there on my team and I get usually 4-6 answers, so I check their profiles and sure enough they are.

And people still say I'm BS'ing.

[Mystere]

meteorol, on 29 November 2016 - 12:58 AM, said:

Over the years, I have seen countless people making things up and bluntly lying for literally no comprehensible reason at all.

And one is about to become president of 'Murika!

[naterist]

Mystere, on 29 November 2016 - 08:57 AM, said:

And one is about to become president of 'Murika!

god help us all ( and im an aetheist saying this, thats how you know 'muricas F***ed)

[Mole]

Mystere, on 29 November 2016 - 08:57 AM, said:

And one is about to become president of 'Murika!

God help us all.

[FuhNuGi]

MM has had it's PSR valve turned off for some time. I believe I read this in either the patch notes or announcements at least 2 months this back. I read this through an official outlet and not someone trolling the forums. It was a minor mention inside of another announcement. Would be nice if we could get an official weigh in as to if MM is using PSR tiers again... but based on what I have been watching since the article, PSR does not have

PSR is broken anyways.
If you hold a 50/50 average and play often enough, you will get to T1 as an average win will gain you more PSR than an average loss will cost you. Over time, this will add up to where you made T1, congratulations... T1 does not mean you are the L337 skillz mechmeister, just you played at least average for long enough to make T1. (Which, in theory, should mean more experienced or better players... but guess what, T1 is full of potatoes too!)

One solution for the PSR could be to make each Tier be allocated a certain percentage of the active population, with T1 and T5 having the smallest percentages of the player base and T3 having the largest population. Of course, this would open up other issues of ranking and implementation that would have to be overcome, but each system I have ever seen for player ranking has it's flaws.

It isn't perfect, but it is what we have. Instead of giving the lower tiered players a difficult time playing and telling them how bad they are, try to take them under your wing and pass some of your skills on... it is up to us to create and educate a better caliber of player in order to keep fresh blood flowing on the arena floor.
If all we do is trash new players and make it difficult or not fun, we are hurting ourselves.
You want better players? Make them.

But yeah, PSR, broken. MM, possibly due to using tiers, is broken, but working almost as intended.
We can fix the players, and we don't have to wait until next patch.

[lazytopaz]

Well we can't sit here and ignore this elephant standing in the middle of the room.

Since MM/PSR is queuing up players from all tiers that means that our player base is small.
Plain and simple. This comes from logical standpoint.
It's either wait 20 min for drop in your tier bracket or drop now with whoever is available ... and that includes people from t5/t4 being put into the game with t2/t1.

Like it does matter anyway. I derp a lot from time to time and act like a total t5 so whatever.
And I can't be the only one who is derping from time to time.

Edited by lazytopaz, 29 November 2016 - 10:52 AM.

[DAYLEET]

BLOOD WOLF, on 28 November 2016 - 10:27 PM, said:

was it group or Solo? Just curious

I come back on my word, group at first had a 60seconds valve like solo and then was lowered to 30second. Dunno where they are now. We do know for a fact that no one, at ANY tier should be put with another guy thats 3 tier above/under him.

Edited by DAYLEET, 29 November 2016 - 11:57 AM.

[Deathlike]

I'm pretty sure the valves are so loose, our balance overlord is playing against Tier 1 competition!

Balance achieved!

Seriously though, Russ/PGI is not going to admit this is a population issue.

[DAYLEET]

Let me get something clear. Yes, if tiering would be on the player list in game then they would be some ******** who would say mean things BUT... This is a big BUT, there are more, who instead of waiting till the end of the match to get angry, would instead give pointers at the start of the game. There are a lot more people trying to help than *****.

Many who uses voip use it in a basic way because technically, we are not supposed to get herded. They assume that no mater how bad our position, dumb our decision, we can still make the most of it and be asset unless we fk pretty badly. New players probably dont understand half the chatter. These voip hero would probably more helpful, knowing that they are playing with t4 t5 when they are t1.

You cant get away from the bad things that scares you. You arent helping anyone by putting t5 vs t1 and you certainly arent helping either by hiding it in the game playerlist.

Edited by DAYLEET, 29 November 2016 - 11:35 AM.

[DAYLEET]

Novakaine, on 29 November 2016 - 07:46 AM, said:

Tier have always been a myth.

Maybe in the sense that you wanted it to work but not for me. It was keeping the new players away from the grinder and we wished player retention to get higher with it, in that sense it was working. I was not one to speak against the tiering system. I never wanted what you can only get in a pure 1vs1 or pure 12vs12 ranking system, its not that kind of game.

[BlueFlames]

Deathlike, on 29 November 2016 - 11:34 AM, said:

I'm pretty sure the valves are so loose, our balance overlord is playing against Tier 1 competition!

Balance Overlord avoids playing against tier one by avoiding playing at all. Still no matches on the leaderboard since the two losses he put up in Season 1.

[WarHippy]

The frequency of it happening is the important part to consider. If this is happening all the time and it is more than 1 or 2 people per match it probably needs to be looked at and explained. If on the other hand it is rare and some out of the ordinary circumstance is triggering it then it is probably of little concern.

That being said from my personal anecdotal experiences and completely non-scientific measurements I would say it probably happens more on the rare side. When I went up a tier I started seeing more frequently people I know to be in the same higher tiers as myself. I obviously can't prove it, nor can I say I kept a log, but I did make a mental note of the noticed difference in player selection after the change in tier.

[occusoj]

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The frequency of it happening is the important part to consider.

Obtaining perfect data for that is next to impossible but if someone knows a free OCR (or better way!) that can read names from match start/end screens we could automatically check those against known tiers, for example those published by the forum.
Not ideal but better than nothing.

I think it happens quite a bit but theres no data to back that subjective guesstimation up.

[DAYLEET]

occusoj, on 29 November 2016 - 12:53 PM, said:

Obtaining perfect data for that is next to impossible but if someone knows a free OCR (or better way!) that can read names from match start/end screens we could automatically check those against known tiers, for example those published by the forum.
Not ideal but better than nothing.

I think it happens quite a bit but theres no data to back that subjective guesstimation up.

Or we could get an official response from a Dev.

[WarHippy]

DAYLEET, on 29 November 2016 - 01:01 PM, said:

Or we could get an official response from a Dev.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA.... *cough*
That was a good one.

It would be nice to get an official response though.

[AphexTwin11]

Mcgral18, on 29 November 2016 - 07:31 AM, said:

...I guess this means more faces for me


Hurray poor heat management. Seriously, I've gotten 41 headshots over 3 days.

no u haven't

Edited by AphexTwin11, 29 November 2016 - 01:39 PM.

[Mcgral18]

Cathy, on 29 November 2016 - 08:03 AM, said:

You'll make Dimento Jealous

He still has twice as many as me

AphexTwin11, on 29 November 2016 - 01:39 PM, said:

no u haven't

327-282
=45


Yep


Examples:

Edited by Mcgral18, 29 November 2016 - 02:02 PM.

[occusoj]

DAYLEET, on 29 November 2016 - 01:01 PM, said:

Or we could get an official response from a Dev.

[Johnny Z]

DAYLEET, on 29 November 2016 - 11:44 AM, said:

Maybe in the sense that you wanted it to work but not for me. It was keeping the new players away from the grinder and we wished player retention to get higher with it, in that sense it was working. I was not one to speak against the tiering system. I never wanted what you can only get in a pure 1vs1 or pure 12vs12 ranking system, its not that kind of game.

Yep. Well said. New players being stuck in matches with experienced players wasn't very nice. Match after match at least.

I find matches more challenging since the tier system as well. For sure.

The last while matches have been really good 80% at least. Close, hard fought, intense.

Edited by Johnny Z, 29 November 2016 - 03:24 PM.

[Revis Volek]

MM doesnt work and Tiers are only for self reflection.


That is all

AphexTwin11, on 29 November 2016 - 01:39 PM, said:

no u haven't

He actually has, i have seen the screenies to prove it.