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[Dimento Graven]

nehebkau, on 10 December 2016 - 10:14 AM, said:

Leader boards just make everything worse.

Yeah and the sample shown shows what to appears to be something close to 2 kills/match average among the people listed, which isn't actually all that out of the question or out of the ordinary.

Edited by Dimento Graven, 10 December 2016 - 10:22 AM.

[Revis Volek]

[razenWing]

Z02, on 10 December 2016 - 10:03 AM, said:

https://mwomercs.com...erboards?type=0

Looking at above stats does not make sense to me. If these are all tier 1 pro skilled players they should be playing more games. Even if they are tier 1 pros having new accounts playing at Tier 5 this is also too unreal. With this performance they should already be in Tier 3 engaging Tier 1 & 2 players which should not offer them easy kills. Worst of all they will scare off all new potential players. Any of you personally know these guys are really good players?

I just like to point out... it's not hard to figure out who you are referring to because... THE POSITION NUMBER IS THERE.

Other than that, I'm wiling to give benefit of a doubt to people that have high counts but low games simply because they might catch a few monster games. Usually, unless you are proton, your k/d ratio peters out after a sufficient quantity of games. With so few games, it's possible to get statistical anomaly like that.

(That's why like sports stats, PGI should have a "qualifying" stat, like you have to play a minimum of 25 games before you are listed on the leaderboad.)

I would honestly look through the leaderboad (and I have) and look for those with ridiculously high k/d ratio and mid to high quantity of games (and trust me, they are there). Those are the most suspect of all people.

(Even with KCOM/EvIL dominance on the FW scene, they have high W/L but not super high K/D... then again... I haven't checked FW stats recently, so maybe that has changed... so who knows?)

[Revis Volek]

For the record, Krizz is an amazing pilot who i can see there at number 9.


He is a beast in lights i hear.

[kyfire]

Consider this, the Leader board just counts kills, there is NO difference between a solo kill and a kill on a badly damaged mech or a KMDD. So, if you've been hammering a mech and i rush in and get the killing blow we both get a kill ( me for the killing blow and you for the KMDD).
So, just like everything else on the Leader board, it's semi worthless stats.

[Alteran]

I didn't see the picture of the Leader Board before, so I went in to confirm.... holy flapjacks.

Nuff said...

[Vxheous]

3 of the top 20 listed for KDR participated in the world finals at mechcon, and pretty sure PGI did not install hacks on those machines..some of the others listed are also really good pilots. The other 1/2 of the top 20 I dont recognize, but the small number of games allows for KDR inflation

[Tristan Winter]

Z02, on 10 December 2016 - 10:03 AM, said:

Any of you personally know these guys are really good players?

Looking at the top WLR ranks on Leaderboard right now.

1 - JP (Empyreal)
2 - Radick (Empyreal)
3 - slummy (Empyreal player, won MWOWC)
4 - TwinkyOverlord (Empyreal player, won MWOWC)
5- SilentWolff (CSJX)
6- Imminent (Empyreal player, won MWOWC)
7- Trevelyas (Empyreal)
8- Carnage X (Empyreal player, won MWOWC)
9- Agent 256 (dunno)
10 - Don Ino (Empyreal)
11 - heimdelight (Empyreal player, won MWOWC)

Edited by Tristan Winter, 10 December 2016 - 01:23 PM.

[Ted Wayz]

Antares102, on 10 December 2016 - 07:21 AM, said:

In before the lock.

It is the weekend, might be awhile.

[Vxheous]

Tristan Winter, on 10 December 2016 - 01:07 PM, said:

Looking at the top WLR ranks on Leaderboard right now.

1 - JP (dunno)
2 - Radick (dunno)
3 - slummy (Empyreal player, won MWOWC)
4 - TwinkyOverlord (Empyreal player, won MWOWC)
5- SilentWolff (dunno)
6- Imminent (Empyreal player, won MWOWC)
7- Trevelyas (dunno)
8- Carnage X (Empyreal player, won MWOWC)
9- Agent 256 (dunno)
10 - Don Ino (dunno)
11 - heimdelight (Empyreal player, won MWOWC)

JP, Trevelyas, Don Ino and Radick are all Empyreal. SilentWolff is Csjx. No hacks here

Edited by Vxheous Kerensky, 10 December 2016 - 01:10 PM.

[Ted Wayz]

Tristan Winter, on 10 December 2016 - 01:07 PM, said:

Looking at the top WLR ranks on Leaderboard right now.

1 - JP (dunno)
2 - Radick (dunno)
3 - slummy (Empyreal player, won MWOWC)
4 - TwinkyOverlord (Empyreal player, won MWOWC)
5- SilentWolff (dunno)
6- Imminent (Empyreal player, won MWOWC)
7- Trevelyas (dunno)
8- Carnage X (Empyreal player, won MWOWC)
9- Agent 256 (dunno)
10 - Don Ino (dunno)
11 - heimdelight (Empyreal player, won MWOWC)

do you think the Emp players are dropping in a group? Hmmmm.

[Mcgral18]

Ted Wayz, on 10 December 2016 - 01:09 PM, said:

do you think the Emp players are dropping in a group? Hmmmm.

An excellent way to prevent deaths (by preventing losses) which increases KDr


Of course, mine is almost exclusively PUG this season, but the reason it's high is because the MM hasn't shat on me yet (those 8 Potato matches, multiple times in a row)

[Tristan Winter]

Ted Wayz, on 10 December 2016 - 01:09 PM, said:

do you think the Emp players are dropping in a group? Hmmmm.

GTFO with your logic.

The guys at the top of the leaderboard are cheating.
How do we know that they are cheating?
Because they're at the top of the leaderboard.

QED.

[Ghogiel]

Alteran, on 10 December 2016 - 07:56 AM, said:

@cazidin

Well we can agree to disagree then.

I think that the whole cheating situation in MWO is much more than what it appears to be. I've been mostly playing CW/FW/FP and it's only been in the last couple of months that I've been playing QP more and I can say things are weird.

Like Z02 is seeing, I'm seeing, it's why I've turned my in game recordings back on. It's not 'rampant' and it can be quite subtle, but it's there.

Fact is the aimbot is much less used than the wall hack. It is pretty much impossible to detect from just spectating for 30secs here and there.

[Dimento Graven]

Mcgral18, on 10 December 2016 - 01:15 PM, said:

...

Of course, mine is almost exclusively PUG this season, but the reason it's high is because the MM hasn't shat on me yet (those 8 Potato matches, multiple times in a row)

You lucky bastage...

[razenWing]

Tristan Winter, on 10 December 2016 - 01:07 PM, said:

Looking at the top WLR ranks on Leaderboard right now.

1 - JP (Empyreal)
2 - Radick (Empyreal)
3 - slummy (Empyreal player, won MWOWC)
4 - TwinkyOverlord (Empyreal player, won MWOWC)
5- SilentWolff (CSJX)
6- Imminent (Empyreal player, won MWOWC)
7- Trevelyas (Empyreal)
8- Carnage X (Empyreal player, won MWOWC)
9- Agent 256 (dunno)
10 - Don Ino (Empyreal)
11 - heimdelight (Empyreal player, won MWOWC)

Right, except that's not the same list that's posted. He filtered by k/d, not w/l.

But I can totally see why some people have high kdr though. Cause generally, dropping against EMP ends in rofl-stomp with EMP players taking very minimal casualties. (by extension, ex-lord, CSJx, SJR (whatever their new names are), and pretty much all the top MRBC A/B teams.)

For example, in the 4-5 drops I had against twinkieoverlord, I honestly can't remember him ever getting killed. of the 3-4 casualties per average, maybe 1 of them is EMP. I can totally see twinkie going 26-1 in KDR.

I think another factor should go into these leaderboad and scrub all the team que matches. Cause let's be honest, MM doesn't work in team que (yup, I discussed that too). You look at proton, who drop majority pug que, and achieve like a 8 kdr. That's pretty much a testament to skill, and I highly regard him as the best player on the planet right now.

(though technically, you can argue that the leaderboard can be used to check EMP as the best team in the world... but that's kinda lame. having the top 8/40 players in the world always playing together farming kdr is not a fair representation of that board)

[Vxheous]

razenWing, on 10 December 2016 - 02:52 PM, said:

Right, except that's not the same list that's posted. He filtered by k/d, not w/l.

But I can totally see why some people have high kdr though. Cause generally, dropping against EMP ends in rofl-stomp with EMP players taking very minimal casualties. (by extension, ex-lord, CSJx, SJR (whatever their new names are), and pretty much all the top MRBC A/B teams.)

For example, in the 4-5 drops I had against twinkieoverlord, I honestly can't remember him ever getting killed. of the 3-4 casualties per average, maybe 1 of them is EMP. I can totally see twinkie going 26-1 in KDR.

I think another factor should go into these leaderboad and scrub all the team que matches. Cause let's be honest, MM doesn't work in team que (yup, I discussed that too). You look at proton, who drop majority pug que, and achieve like a 8 kdr. That's pretty much a testament to skill, and I highly regard him as the best player on the planet right now.

(though technically, you can argue that the leaderboard can be used to check EMP as the best team in the world... but that's kinda lame. having the top 8/40 players in the world always playing together farming kdr is not a fair representation of that board)

Thats why people typically look at average match score as a comparison

[Z02]

So it is the known vs the unknown. For top 10 KDR only TwinkyOverlord (Empyreal player, won MWOWC) and SilentWolff (CSJX) are better known. Wonder what will happen if the remaining 8 takes on Empyreal Champion team? Any guess? WIll be very very interesting. All-Stars vs 2016 Champion.

[Monkey Lover]

Tristan Winter, on 10 December 2016 - 08:36 AM, said:

4 years of playing this game. I still have only seen video evidence one (1) single time.

Lol really? I seen them lots of times. Heck there are a handful of them in YouTube. I seen people using them.

We got the only big ban wave because someone put out a video showing how one of the main programs worked ha-ha.

[Mcgral18]

Z02, on 10 December 2016 - 06:33 PM, said:

So it is the known vs the unknown. For top 10 KDR only TwinkyOverlord (Empyreal player, won MWOWC) and SilentWolff (CSJX) are better known. Wonder what will happen if the remaining 8 takes on Empyreal Champion team? Any guess? WIll be very very interesting. All-Stars vs 2016 Champion.

PoI was confirmed to be a Tier 5/4 farmer, likely an Alt
He had a troll thread up on Reddit

That along with few matches explains it easily. It's full on POTATO


3 are well known good players, the rest have very few matches

Group Queue farming with competent players is a good way to farm ratios, because you don't lose/die



You know full well Potato farmers or RNGeesus prayers won't let them beat the best players in the game
There's nothing fishy about those stats either.