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#121 Ralatar

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Posted 18 December 2016 - 02:45 AM

From Poster 627 "I know there are people here who are 50+ and still play this game to their abilities."

50+....to their abilities...

Ok, first off,TOS....read it ***hole

Your prejudice is not acceptable.

Second, I've been playing video games since Pong in the 70's and played everything I could get my hands on afterwards from arcade, console to PC for longer than you may have 'graced' this planet. Been on a number of leader boards from the 80's up to and including MWO so as for my 'advanced' age causing me issue with skill...please.... So. what is it about my age that lessens my abilities..I'm all ears.

Hope you grow up.

Edited by Ralatar, 18 December 2016 - 03:06 AM.


#122 patataman

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Posted 18 December 2016 - 03:51 AM

Noes! I don't want to change my name!


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(Too bad i didn't find a picture of a potato eating popcorn)

#123 RestosIII

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Posted 18 December 2016 - 04:12 AM

View PostRalatar, on 18 December 2016 - 02:45 AM, said:

So. what is it about my age that lessens my abilities..I'm all ears.


In general some of the first things to start degrading on the human body as you age is eyesight and thus reaction times. Pretty sure that's all he meant. Might want to take a chill pill.

#124 Besh

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Posted 18 December 2016 - 04:27 AM

View PostRestosIII, on 18 December 2016 - 04:12 AM, said:


In general some of the first things to start degrading on the human body as you age is eyesight and thus reaction times. Pretty sure that's all he meant. Might want to take a chill pill.


You do realize that

a ) those "things degenerating" are not 100% unavoidable, naturally given occurances and
b ) esepcially eyesight, eye hand coordination and reflexes are trainable/maintaneble to a high degree through training/useage ?

In that context, it may be of interest to you that playing Video/Computer games has made its way into degenerating Brain desease Therapy...crazy huh (?), may well be "old" people having played Video/Computer Games for decades have done their Brains a lot of good .

I am in the mid40s, and I have had people showing proper signs of amazement over my reaction times inGame when riding my shoulder on occasion.

Edited by Besh, 18 December 2016 - 04:34 AM.


#125 RestosIII

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Posted 18 December 2016 - 04:34 AM

View PostBesh, on 18 December 2016 - 04:27 AM, said:


You do realize that

a ) those "things degenerating" are not 100% unavoidable, naturally given occurances and
b ) esepcially eyesight, eye hand coordination and reflexes are trainable/maintaneble to a high degree through training/useage ?

In that context, it may be of interest to you that playing Video/Computer games has made its way into degenerating Brain desease Therapy...crazy huh (?), may well be "old" people having played Video/Computer Games for decades have done their Brains a lot of good .

I am in the mid40s, and I have had people showing proper signs of amazement over my reaction times inGame when riding my shoulder on occasion.


Of course it's not guaranteed. I have a 70 year old father who has better eyesight than me. But getting up in a twist because someone offhandedly mentioned that the older you get, usually the harder it is to perform in shooters is a bit unnecessary. But I'm also posting after getting only 2 hours of sleep since 10 AM yesterday, and still recovering from the stress of getting in a car crash, so I might be completely misinterpreting the tone of this conversation. Blech.

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Posted 18 December 2016 - 04:52 AM

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Prejudice: a. preconceived judgment or opinion


Is that not what occurred....regardless of age, gender, religion, sexual orientation, race....

I'm sorry if you feel the need to lessen the fact that this is what just occurred here, and yes. I'm damned offended as you should be....has no place here. None of the above are grounds for gauging anyone's ability or skill.

Edited by Ralatar, 18 December 2016 - 04:54 AM.


#127 Besh

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Posted 18 December 2016 - 05:10 AM

View PostRestosIII, on 18 December 2016 - 04:34 AM, said:


Of course it's not guaranteed. I have a 70 year old father who has better eyesight than me. But getting up in a twist because someone offhandedly mentioned that the older you get, usually the harder it is to perform in shooters is a bit unnecessary. But I'm also posting after getting only 2 hours of sleep since 10 AM yesterday, and still recovering from the stress of getting in a car crash, so I might be completely misinterpreting the tone of this conversation. Blech.


Wow. sry to read that !

Hope you get well quick .

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Posted 18 December 2016 - 05:30 AM

View PostWil McCullough, on 18 December 2016 - 12:20 AM, said:

Potatoes are potatoes because they act in a way that they knownis detrimental to the team because they find it fun.


Believe me Will, I, too, find it so FRUSTRATING when people make those kinds of decisions. I used to run mostly light mechs and on HPG conquest I used to communicate by by both VOIP and chat and say "I'll get ---- [whatever the closest capture point was to Charlie Lance] so that you Assaults can go directly into the main area and set up before the enemy". Then I'd run my little Locust legs off to get to --- and find 3/4 Charlie lance sitting in their pristine dire wolves on the capture point. To me, that's a group of people playing to the detriment of the team who are missing something so OBVIOUS. Did I swear? Call them names? Wish upon them a scourge of genital warts? YES!!! But only to myself, not to them, and not on the forums.

The problem is that everyone has different idea definitions. I know lots of people who use "pug" derogatorily even though it is actually an acronym and was never meant as a negative term. Even the developers use the term "pug" so you know it isn't meant as an insult but some people still use it as such.

If you read many of the posts here you will see the term "potato" refers to people who will not listen, and yet we have one poster who says this:

View PostJadePanther, on 17 December 2016 - 05:20 PM, said:

Potatos .. What the hell are you doing way over there..
Me kills XXX, YYY, ZZZ
me to myself.. killin stuff what does it look like


Clearly to him the potatos are the ones asking him why he has run off on his own and doesn't refer to people who run off and do their own thing.

This idea that we all know deep down the "right way to play" and know when our behaviour is ruining other people's fun doesn't make sense to me. There are too many different views on what is right or wrong in the game for anyone to be so certain of their own that they start insulting others. I could list pages and pages of conflicting advice I've been given.

This is a team game and so if there are players who are intentionally ruining the game for others then that is an example of nonparticipation based on the CofC and should be reported. But if you read through the posts in this thread and many other threads you'll find people using "potato" for people who can't learn fast enough for their liking. I think the vast majority of people referred to as "potatoes" are not doing anything intentionally. They just make mistakes more often then other players. I think we need to take all the energy we spend on trying to make fun of them and use it for something constructive like forming groups and teams of like-minded players so we simply bypass playing with people who ruin our fun. It seems like the only solution where the outcome is 100% in our control (as opposed to trying to get a random player to play the way we think is right).

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Posted 18 December 2016 - 08:53 AM

I think shaming bad players one way or the other is of limited use, there is no good evidence that it makes them improve and the only other function is to prop up yourself or to be rude, or to gloat over enemy teams you stomped. Doing it makes you look like a weak person who needs to show off, and I guess that's ok if you have such needs.

I have played with people who seem to have this endless need to go on and on about how bad people are and I find very much a waste of VOIP time.

I can understand the need to let out frustration over bad players, I have it too, but it's better to do that internally between unit mates. I prefer if it isn't done excessively while the match is ongoing though because it can be distracting.

Public trash talk has a function if it's also funny/entertaining, preferably it's funny for both sides but sometimes humor must come a the price of suffering for others and that's ok to a point.

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Posted 18 December 2016 - 11:00 AM

View PostRestosIII, on 18 December 2016 - 04:34 AM, said:


Of course it's not guaranteed. I have a 70 year old father who has better eyesight than me. But getting up in a twist because someone offhandedly mentioned that the older you get, usually the harder it is to perform in shooters is a bit unnecessary. But I'm also posting after getting only 2 hours of sleep since 10 AM yesterday, and still recovering from the stress of getting in a car crash, so I might be completely misinterpreting the tone of this conversation. Blech.

I'd say getting up in a twist over a video game is pretty silly. period.

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Posted 18 December 2016 - 02:53 PM

Got ya, noted PGI, you seem to feel it's ok for people in your community to be prejudiced given the lack of moderator response even after a report.
Noted, that this community, from what I'm reading, seems feel that it's ok to judge us on our age, not skill or ability given the responses we're seeing.
Where is the outrage?...is it because it wasn't targeting a race, or gender, or religion, sexual preference....if the poster (627) had stated that ANY of those GROUPs of people were skill challenged based on the group that they belonged to there would be a massive backlash...but it's ok right....because we're just old people...

PGI,where is your response.....if you let this ride....

and not in a twist over a video game, in twist over the blatant ageism.

Ageism (also spelled "agism") is stereotyping and discriminating against individuals or groups on the basis of their age. This may be casual or systematic. The term was coined in 1969 by Robert Neil Butler to describe discrimination against seniors, and patterned on sexism and racism.

Edited by Ralatar, 18 December 2016 - 02:59 PM.


#132 oldradagast

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Posted 18 December 2016 - 02:59 PM

I can't believe people are actually arguing whether or not aging has negative effects on games that require quick reaction times, like MWO. Yes, the effect is less than things like bad builds, lack of team play, lack of understanding of the game, etc. But to claim aging has no meaningful effect is absurd and flies in the face of reality, unless we're to believe that professional sports players and other such people in areas that demand physical perfection retire when they hit middle age because they got tired of high pay and fame.

I find the turn this thread has taken particularly funny since it's normally the younger generation that gets slammed - unjustly and with no moderator response - for "being too sensitive" and "wanting safe spaces," and yet here we are with the exact opposite happening... Lol... the lunacy of the internet, where fake news is shared more than real news and facts are now opinions and discrimination.

Edited by oldradagast, 18 December 2016 - 03:03 PM.


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Posted 18 December 2016 - 03:04 PM

Ok, fine, guess we Seniors need to be provided a server just for us since we obviously are too old and stricken with age to play with the younger, sic, BETTER people. Just wow.

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Posted 18 December 2016 - 03:15 PM

View Postoldradagast, on 18 December 2016 - 02:59 PM, said:

I can't believe people are actually arguing whether or not aging has negative effects on games that require quick reaction times, like MWO. Yes, the effect is less than things like bad builds, lack of team play, lack of understanding of the game, etc. But to claim aging has no meaningful effect is absurd and flies in the face of reality, unless we're to believe that professional sports players and other such people in areas that demand physical perfection retire when they hit middle age because they got tired of high pay and fame.

I find the turn this thread has taken particularly funny since it's normally the younger generation that gets slammed - unjustly and with no moderator response - for "being too sensitive" and "wanting safe spaces," and yet here we are with the exact opposite happening... Lol... the lunacy of the internet, where fake news is shared more than real news and facts are now opinions and discrimination.


Oh, I'm sure aging has an effect on performance when quick reflexes are concerned (though I'm not sure MWO is that demanding in this respect). I feel the effects already and I'm only approaching 40.

But what really confuses me is why we're even discussing who's bad and why. Sure, some people are good, some people are bad, maybe someone was old, drunk, stupid, or any combination thereof. Who gives a sh*t. It's collossally uninteresting and meaningless who's good and who's bad in a video game.

Where things DO get interesting is when people who're supposedly adults are badmouthing other people because they think they just played a video game poorly. This part is also what separates reasonable adults from the basement dwellers.

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Posted 18 December 2016 - 03:17 PM

View PostRalatar, on 18 December 2016 - 03:04 PM, said:

Ok, fine, guess we Seniors need to be provided a server just for us since we obviously are too old and stricken with age to play with the younger, sic, BETTER people. Just wow.


Not to intrude on this discussion but isnt that what the Clans do? Regulate them to Solahma units?Posted Image jk

#136 627

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Posted 18 December 2016 - 03:21 PM

View PostRalatar, on 18 December 2016 - 02:45 AM, said:

From Poster 627 "I know there are people here who are 50+ and still play this game to their abilities."

50+....to their abilities...

Ok, first off,TOS....read it ***hole

Your prejudice is not acceptable.

Second, I've been playing video games since Pong in the 70's and played everything I could get my hands on afterwards from arcade, console to PC for longer than you may have 'graced' this planet. Been on a number of leader boards from the 80's up to and including MWO so as for my 'advanced' age causing me issue with skill...please.... So. what is it about my age that lessens my abilities..I'm all ears.

Hope you grow up.


way to miss a point... well sorry if I did hurt your feelings. I tried to showcase that not everyone can be a 14 year old twitch shooting star. And sorry again if I used the wrong words, not my native language here.

However, if you think you with your 50+ or whatever are insulted because I am a young guy not knowing what I'm talking about, be assured you are wrong. Beside that, I may be gettin older, but growing up is not on my list. My wife disagrees with that one but it is what I tell my two little girls every day. Still, I think we are all some kind of grown men who are beyond this high school drama of who is a jerk and who is a victim of jokes. Isn't manners the right word for it?



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Posted 18 December 2016 - 03:25 PM

View PostRestosIII, on 18 December 2016 - 04:34 AM, said:


Of course it's not guaranteed. I have a 70 year old father who has better eyesight than me. But getting up in a twist because someone offhandedly mentioned that the older you get, usually the harder it is to perform in shooters is a bit unnecessary. But I'm also posting after getting only 2 hours of sleep since 10 AM yesterday, and still recovering from the stress of getting in a car crash, so I might be completely misinterpreting the tone of this conversation. Blech.


Beside all the chatter, hope you're alright, bro.

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Posted 18 December 2016 - 03:57 PM

View Post627, on 18 December 2016 - 03:25 PM, said:

Beside all the chatter, hope you're alright, bro.


Feel like I got dropped down a flight of stairs, and the van my family bought 2 weeks ago is now totaled, but we're generally alright. Just find it really funny that the first vacation I take in years ends up with a crash.

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Posted 18 December 2016 - 05:05 PM

MWO has their proud Potatoes. Just like the US Navy does.Posted Image

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Posted 18 December 2016 - 06:20 PM

Yeah I don't get the "potato=suck" thing either. Potatoes were cool long before sliced bread. They're very healthy, tasty, versatile, and can even be used as a battery. Hell, nations have fallen due to their lack of potatoes. Calling me a potato will only cheer me up.

Call me an eggplant though, and I'll knock you on your ***.





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