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[MadIrish]

It would be nice if the a members profile avatar showed how many matches they've played since tracking started. Because frankly when I look at the people arguing against things it seems like each person against good ideas show far fewer matches played then those saying yes these are good suggestions. I mean often these nay sayers have less then 200 matches in the past to Seasons when the average is over 1000 and the most prolific players have over 2000 matches.

This would help lend credibility to any comments a player might make. I could care less about how many posts they've made I want to know how much stick time they have with the game.

[Deathlike]

You could just look @ that leaderboard to get an idea.

However, there are some people that amass a lot of matches, but don't really win. It happens a lot around here, and they argue balance w/o using actual reasoning.

[Felicitatem Parco]

Number of matches since when?

The most recent leaderboard stat collection phase?
One of the previous FW map resets?
Since the game exited Beta?
Do my matches played in Closed or Open Beta count?

Edited by Prosperity Park, 21 December 2016 - 04:18 PM.

[EgoSlayer]

MadIrish, on 21 December 2016 - 04:14 PM, said:

It would be nice if the a members profile avatar showed how many matches they've played since tracking started. Because frankly when I look at the people arguing against things it seems like each person against good ideas show far fewer matches played then those saying yes these are good suggestions. I mean often these nay sayers have less then 200 matches in the past to Seasons when the average is over 1000 and the most prolific players have over 2000 matches.

This would help lend credibility to any comments a player might make. I could care less about how many posts they've made I want to know how much stick time they have with the game.

Except that there are people who have thousands of matches before there were "seasons", people who post on alt accounts, and people who play a lot in private lobbies for scrimmages, player run leagues, team practice, etc. All of which are not tracked on the profile/leader board, which means a number of matches played on a profile means nearly nothing about a player's knowledge and understanding of the game.

So, how about no.

Edited by EgoSlayer, 21 December 2016 - 06:52 PM.

[Johnny Z]

I agree it may be embarrassing, some of the top posters on gameplay balance have never even played the game.

[Snazzy Dragon]

I have seen players that I know are tier 2 from their forum profile in game that still shoot machine guns and small lasers past their opimal and well past their max range. It doesn't matter if you have a thousand matches if you never grew a brain or learned anything from them.

I have also seen pilots that think they are total hotshots fall for some of the most basic baits when it comes to the rare 1v1 engagement inside of a match, like alpha striking when the mech turns its back only to shutdown from the heat and be killed by the baiting pilot that rear torso twisted the damage.

Edited by Snazzy Dragon, 21 December 2016 - 07:00 PM.

[Tristan Winter]

I would caution against trying to use the Leaderboards as some kind of rock solid indication about what kind of insight people have. Mostly because my own stats are terrible, but also for the following reasons:

• People have different accounts. When my Clan account was Tier 3, my WLR and KDR were great. Now that I'm Tier 2 on this account,they're not so great. You may see people who have a separate account for playing stock mechs, and their stats on their main account would not be negatively impacted by this. But you may see people who play stock mechs for fun with their main account, and this would obviously negatively impact their stats.
  
• People play the game in different ways. Sometimes I'm all serious and business-like and I shout at my teammates for all their mistakes. Sometimes I'm playing absent-mindedly whilst eating tacos and sending lewd images to Alex Iglesias. I can go on crazy losing streaks when I'm playing MWO while multi-tasking, and I imagine this applies to different people to different degrees. Some people only play Kodiaks and Timber Wolves, other people only play stock Summoners and Trebuchets. Some people live and die as pugs, other people are members of elite units who have a good WLR in the group queue.
  
• You don't have to be good at a game in order to understand it. This is a very obvious and important statement. Let's say MWO never changes again, there is never another patch. Now let's compare my skills today, when I'm in my 30's, and my skills in 30 years, when I'm in my 60's. It could very well be that I'm a terrible player at age 60 compared to now, just based on having slower reflexes, worse hand-eye coordination, worse eye-sight, shaking hands, etc. I would be an objectively worse player, but I would not have a worse grasp on how MWO works, unless I forgot a bunch of stuff. In other words, being skilled is not the same as understanding the game. Which is why a lot of coaches in sports tend to be old, and you sometimes see young coaches who never played at a high level themselves, but they still know how the game works.

[Felicitatem Parco]

Yeah, you wouldn't tell from my stats, but I know more about this game than all off you. You're all on an island as far as I am concerned.

Spoiler

Heheheh My stats reflect the playstyle of someone who refused to use a Stalker until Ghost Heat was introduced and the Awesome got quirks, and refused to ever use a 2 ERPPC Thunderbolt despite owning the full Phoenix Pack.

Edited by Prosperity Park, 21 December 2016 - 07:28 PM.

[Chuck Jager]

People will use whatever stats they see to justify what they want

My unit plays mostly FW as Jade Falcon and we were Ghost bear for a period before that. We started this play style strictly to enjoy FW despite what others thought. We also started at a time when the quirks and units were definitely on the IS side.

But ATM if it was posted FW Jade Falcon Unit Player, how many easy come backs or snarky insults could this lead to.

PGI has made it fairly easy to get info on a player. I am of the opinion we should worry more about people who are too lazy to investigate an individual before they write them off.

[Evil Goof]

MadIrish, on 21 December 2016 - 04:14 PM, said:

It would be nice if the a members profile avatar showed how many matches they've played since tracking started. Because frankly when I look at the people arguing against things it seems like each person against good ideas show far fewer matches played then those saying yes these are good suggestions. I mean often these nay sayers have less then 200 matches in the past to Seasons when the average is over 1000 and the most prolific players have over 2000 matches.

This would help lend credibility to any comments a player might make. I could care less about how many posts they've made I want to know how much stick time they have with the game.

Yeah but then you get into the whole qualitive vs. quantative argument. Someone who has over 5000 matches in tier five has a much different experience than that of someone with 500 in tier one.

[Chuck Jager]

Tristan Winter, on 21 December 2016 - 07:13 PM, said:

• You don't have to be good at a game in order to understand it. This is a very obvious and important statement. Let's say MWO never changes again, there is never another patch. Now let's compare my skills today, when I'm in my 30's, and my skills in 30 years, when I'm in my 60's. It could very well be that I'm a terrible player at age 60 compared to now, just based on having slower reflexes, worse hand-eye coordination, worse eye-sight, shaking hands, etc. I would be an objectively worse player, but I would not have a worse grasp on how MWO works, unless I forgot a bunch of stuff. In other words, being skilled is not the same as understanding the game. Which is why a lot of coaches in sports tend to be old, and you sometimes see young coaches who never played at a high level themselves, but they still know how the game works.

Very well put.

I also had a coach who never made it past a temperamental aggressive athlete. We had great physical conditioning, but if we could not beat them into the ground or outlast them we were dead. He never made it past seeing the "sport" through his own eyes. It was kinda sad.

[RestosIII]

I can't remember, don't FW/CW matches not count on the stats/leaderboard page? If I'm right (Correct me if I'm wrong), that could mean someone would have a measly number of matches according to the stats, but actually has played a ridiculous amount in said modes. That, and that would make 12-14 year olds that have all day to play a F2P game more "reliable" for balancing choices than people that have played 1/3-1/2 of their matches, but aren't, y'know, 12.

Tristan Winter, on 21 December 2016 - 07:13 PM, said:

• People have different accounts. When my Clan account was Tier 3, my WLR and KDR were great. Now that I'm Tier 2 on this account,they're not so great. You may see people who have a separate account for playing stock mechs, and their stats on their main account would not be negatively impacted by this. But you may see people who play stock mechs for fun with their main account, and this would obviously negatively impact their stats.

This entire thing speaks to me on a spiritual level, considering, as I've said way too much for my own good, I almost only run lore builds.

Edited by RestosIII, 21 December 2016 - 07:52 PM.

[XxXAbsolutZeroXxX]

MadIrish, on 21 December 2016 - 04:14 PM, said:

It would be nice if the a members profile avatar showed how many matches they've played since tracking started. Because frankly when I look at the people arguing against things it seems like each person against good ideas show far fewer matches played then those saying yes these are good suggestions.

Before PSR rank was visible on the forums, things were much worse.

People in tier 5 would claim to be in tier 1, they would make up whatever fairytales and stories they wanted.

Tier rank being visible, while not perfect, improved that aspect of things.

It definitely shut up a lot of people and cut down on the amount of bs posted on the forums.

I agree that total number of games played wouldn't be perfect.

But could it improve things to help separate those who actively play the game from those who haven't played recently enough to know what they're talking about? Yes, it probably could.

That makes it worth pursuing.

[Jman5]

Rather than a total number, I would like it if there were two little icons under their name that indicates they have played at least 10 Quickplay And Faction Play games in the current season. When I get into discussions, I don't really care that they played a billion games 9 months ago.

[Felicitatem Parco]

Jman5, on 21 December 2016 - 08:52 PM, said:

Rather than a total number, I would like it if there were two little icons under their name that indicates they have played at least 10 Quickplay And Faction Play games in the current season. When I get into discussions, I don't really care that they played a billion games 9 months ago.

Y U No Care about me?!?!?!

[Lukoi Banacek]

Jman5, on 21 December 2016 - 08:52 PM, said:

Rather than a total number, I would like it if there were two little icons under their name that indicates they have played at least 10 Quickplay And Faction Play games in the current season. When I get into discussions, I don't really care that they played a billion games 9 months ago.

I'd take it a step further and just have it update both of those #'s as the month went on. Easy, demonstrates relevant activity etc. Nothing exceptional about outside of that.

[Snowbluff]

"Increase ad hominem plox"

[xengk]

Do you want more e-peening?
That is how you get more e-peening.

[Shiroi Tsuki]

I'd rather not to be honest.
Because even skrubs who really do make good points can have their opinion outright neglected by being in a lower tier.

If you're gonna have something like this, at least make it an option, not a mandatory

[Bombast]

I'd like it if we just had an Avatar, to be honest...

On the subject of on-forum stats, I think we're better off without it. Making it instantly accessible just means everyone gets grieffed right off the bat. As it is now, it's only a few clicks away, but that's usually enough to keep people from bringing it up, except for circumstances where it's applicable.

Like when people are claiming to be awesome and demeaning others and need to be put in their place, or when people ​ want easily accessible match numbers to bludgeon other people into agreeing with them, but probably don't want a slot under their avatar for their Average Match Score and Win Rate because it's atrocious.