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[Acehilator]

Bishop Steiner, on 22 December 2016 - 01:49 PM, said:

Suffice it to say, what I am intimating is that it will take more than slapping a measuring tape on our swinging cods to add and credibility to one's argument. Personally I prefer meritocracy...aka, weight, or "credibility" is added by well reasoned arguments, facts and details. Any other factor is simply fallacious reasoning.

True dat

[Xmith]

I Zeratul I, on 21 December 2016 - 08:48 PM, said:

Before PSR rank was visible on the forums, things were much worse.

People in tier 5 would claim to be in tier 1, they would make up whatever fairytales and stories they wanted.

Tier rank being visible, while not perfect, improved that aspect of things.

It definitely shut up a lot of people and cut down on the amount of bs posted on the forums.

I agree that total number of games played wouldn't be perfect.

But could it improve things to help separate those who actively play the game from those who haven't played recently enough to know what they're talking about? Yes, it probably could.

That makes it worth pursuing.

I don't recall ranks visible on the forums

[Ghogiel]

Lyoto Machida, on 22 December 2016 - 01:16 PM, said:

So these guys are getting a 2.0 W/L ratio by solo dropping in QP only??? I highly doubt that...

I was able to do it pretty easily. Check season 1-4. These last 2 I played group queue because of MRBC, but usually I am solo.

[Xmith]

MadIrish, on 21 December 2016 - 04:14 PM, said:

It would be nice if the a members profile avatar showed how many matches they've played since tracking started. Because frankly when I look at the people arguing against things it seems like each person against good ideas show far fewer matches played then those saying yes these are good suggestions. I mean often these nay sayers have less then 200 matches in the past to Seasons when the average is over 1000 and the most prolific players have over 2000 matches.

This would help lend credibility to any comments a player might make. I could care less about how many posts they've made I want to know how much stick time they have with the game.

Like tiers, you should have the option to not show it.

[EgoSlayer]

Vxheous Kerensky, on 22 December 2016 - 12:55 PM, said:

I know how multiplayer games work, yet I know far more people that have >2.0W/L than I do 1.0W/L. MWO isn't a closed system, yes, for every 1 person that gets a win, 1 person gets a loss, but again, there are alt accounts/troll accounts that absorb losses, as well as people that might play 10 games and quit with a 0.1 W/L.

And I know far more people with Computer Science degrees than don't,. So obviously there are far more people who have CS degrees than don't...

Please, just because your core group of people have that W/L record doesn't make it even remotely representative of the population at large. Comp groups and comp players are going to carry that and are representational of less than ~20% of the population. In fact, its even lower than that. From the current leader board stats there are 1668 people with a W/L record of 2.0 or higher, out of 34989 records. That's the top 5% of the entire population of MWO, after factoring out the people with less than 10 matches which puts it at an even smaller percentage. That's by very definition a 'big deal' accomplishment to use your words.

[Vxheous]

EgoSlayer, on 22 December 2016 - 02:16 PM, said:

And I know far more people with Computer Science degrees than don't,. So obviously there are far more people who have CS degrees than don't...

Please, just because your core group of people have that W/L record doesn't make it even remotely representative of the population at large. Comp groups and comp players are going to carry that and are representational of less than ~20% of the population. In fact, its even lower than that. From the current leader board stats there are 1668 people with a W/L record of 2.0 or higher, out of 34989 records. That's the top 5% of the entire population of MWO, after factoring out the people with less than 10 matches which puts it at an even smaller percentage. That's by very definition a 'big deal' accomplishment to use your words.

I guess....both my wife and I have >2.0 W/L and she plays a lot of solo queue...but neither of us feel like big deals...

[RestosIII]

Acehilator, on 22 December 2016 - 01:59 PM, said:

Well, pretty much rightfully so. If you can't carry and get good stats in the process with the game mechanics of WoT (mainly armor mechanics, and the spotting system), your voice does not get to be heard in balance matters. Plain and simple. And XVM only made it easier the see the stats in game, they were public all along.

So the fact that I don't spam gold rounds to get an inflated win rate at T3 means I shouldn't be able to even say anything on the forums that ever touches on balance without getting told to **** off? Great community there. I'd love that to happen here.

Edited by RestosIII, 22 December 2016 - 02:38 PM.

[Acehilator]

RestosIII, on 22 December 2016 - 02:34 PM, said:

So the fact that I don't spam gold rounds to get an inflated win rate at T3 means I shouldn't be able to even say anything on the forums that ever touches on balance without getting told to **** off? Great community there. I'd love that to happen here.

If you want to talk about it more write me a PM, we are getting off topic. I just say that gold rounds are not the thing which define your carry potential. There is no equivalent in MWO, so the point is moot for the discussion about MWO. MC-only consumables are not good enough to qualify for Pay2Win.

[Deathlike]

Bishop Steiner, on 22 December 2016 - 01:49 PM, said:

There are also those of us with well over 20k matches... but who have been burned out or disenchanted the last 3-6 months... and so have far fewer in recent matches.

(and some lore obsessed grognards also run more than 1 acct, such as one a dedicated Steiner IS acct, one a CGBI Clan Acct..... which can further confuse things)

Further, I suppose it should break down by game mode.... after all... a person with 10k QP matches, but 0 FW matches, may be less qualified to debate the merits of FW.

I'm already in that boat and giving less than a damn really. I do play MWO, but just not enough to care (enough for the events, which probably annoy me more at times, because it's still more deathmatch in FP than before).

It is what it is.

[Lyoto Machida]

Ghogiel, on 22 December 2016 - 02:09 PM, said:

I was able to do it pretty easily. Check season 1-4. These last 2 I played group queue because of MRBC, but usually I am solo.

Vxheous Kerensky, on 22 December 2016 - 02:34 PM, said:

I guess....both my wife and I have >2.0 W/L and she plays a lot of solo queue...but neither of us feel like big deals...

So you guys are in the top 5% of the game (as referenced by the post below)...I suppose "easy" is relative.

EgoSlayer, on 22 December 2016 - 02:16 PM, said:

And I know far more people with Computer Science degrees than don't,. So obviously there are far more people who have CS degrees than don't...

Please, just because your core group of people have that W/L record doesn't make it even remotely representative of the population at large. Comp groups and comp players are going to carry that and are representational of less than ~20% of the population. In fact, its even lower than that. From the current leader board stats there are 1668 people with a W/L record of 2.0 or higher, out of 34989 records. That's the top 5% of the entire population of MWO, after factoring out the people with less than 10 matches which puts it at an even smaller percentage. That's by very definition a 'big deal' accomplishment to use your words.

[razenWing]

Mystere, on 22 December 2016 - 12:03 PM, said:

It's the internet. So take it as you wish. But then again ...



Sadly, it looks like your Google fu is not good enough.

I don't understand why you have to be cryptic, just link us!

PS

http://www.worldatla...in-history.html

In conclusion:

1: The story is fake
2: The story is real, you just tell it bad.

There are no "5000 deaths in 1 village" from "several years ago." And by number 2, I mean... it's actually an earthquake or it's more than a few years ago. Either way, just link us.

Edited by razenWing, 22 December 2016 - 05:35 PM.

[El Bandito]

Vxheous Kerensky, on 22 December 2016 - 02:34 PM, said:

I guess....both my wife and I have >2.0 W/L and she plays a lot of solo queue...but neither of us feel like big deals...

That's cause vast majority of the Solo-Queuers are even lesser deals.

[Vellron2005]

MadIrish, on 21 December 2016 - 04:14 PM, said:

It would be nice if the a members profile avatar showed how many matches they've played since tracking started. Because frankly when I look at the people arguing against things it seems like each person against good ideas show far fewer matches played then those saying yes these are good suggestions. I mean often these nay sayers have less then 200 matches in the past to Seasons when the average is over 1000 and the most prolific players have over 2000 matches.

This would help lend credibility to any comments a player might make. I could care less about how many posts they've made I want to know how much stick time they have with the game.

I think revealing any kind of statistical data about someone is inherently bad.. A man's words should be taken at face value.. is what someone is saying logical, on point, and has merit? Yes or no? Only that should matter.

You might not agree, but if the man has a point, he has a point.

Number of matches played means very little in a game in witch you can have multiple accounts and statistics don't mean squat if you play for fun and not for competitive perfomance.

Also, some men are wiser and more perceptive than other, and can spot things and form strong opinions faster.

Alas, take this into account:

My GF has been watching me play a few weeks now.. by now, she has, just from watching, seen maybe 30-ish matches, and has correctly identified EVERY major problem with this game.. she has NOT PLAYED A SINGLE MATCH.

With this in mind, I think showing number of played matches would only serve to drive prejudice against new players and alienate them from the game even more.

it's hard enough be a new player. Let's not make their opinions invalid cose' they are new..

At least they are not bittervets with hate for PGI, and have a fresh new perspective to offer.

Edited by Vellron2005, 23 December 2016 - 02:40 AM.

[Aleski]

Damned i have these stats :

CURRENT Wins / Losses 2,096 / 1,773 Kill / Death Ratio 1.48

ARCHIVED Wins / Losses 961 / 868 Kill / Death Ratio 1.26

The good news : i have improved my KDR since the new stats system ! The bad news : now nobody will listen to my arguments on the forum cause i haven't play more than 10k games... ='(

Really this thread is a joke, no ?

[ice trey]

Lower match count is also likely to reflect dissatisfaction with the way the game is going, while high match count just means that you really, REALLY like the team deathmatch hamster wheel.

[razenWing]

Vellron2005, on 23 December 2016 - 02:39 AM, said:

I think revealing any kind of statistical data about someone is inherently bad.. A man's words should be taken at face value.. is what someone is saying logical, on point, and has merit? Yes or no? Only that should matter.

You might not agree, but if the man has a point, he has a point.

Number of matches played means very little in a game in witch you can have multiple accounts and statistics don't mean squat if you play for fun and not for competitive perfomance.

Also, some men are wiser and more perceptive than other, and can spot things and form strong opinions faster.

Alas, take this into account:

My GF has been watching me play a few weeks now.. by now, she has, just from watching, seen maybe 30-ish matches, and has correctly identified EVERY major problem with this game.. she has NOT PLAYED A SINGLE MATCH.

With this in mind, I think showing number of played matches would only serve to drive prejudice against new players and alienate them from the game even more.

it's hard enough be a new player. Let's not make their opinions invalid cose' they are new..

At least they are not bittervets with hate for PGI, and have a fresh new perspective to offer.

You have a gf that WATCH you play MWO????!!!???!!

N.E.V.E.R. L.E.T. H.E.R. G.O.

[a gaijin]

Though I respect everyone's opinion and think everyone has a right to have their opinion heard, when it comes to advice/tips on gameplay I admit I take the opinions of people from a higher tier than mine much more seriously.

The reason: that they have more experience means their opinion is likely based on knowledge gained from all that time getting to that tier. Because they have more experience than me I assume they have more knowledge on gameplay than I do. And if they are comp players I take their opinion as serious as scripture because they for sure have treaded where I haven't.

For those reasons I'm glad that tiers are (optionally) displayed. I do wish that there was some sort of icon designating how many matches we've played this season. This tells me if someone's comments are based on knowledge/experience from recent gameplay or older experiences.

And when a particular comment from someone piques my interest I do take a look at their leaderboard scores to try to get a general idea of where they're coming from.

Just my ¥2.

[RestosIII]

Star Commander Horse, on 23 December 2016 - 07:04 AM, said:

¥2.

I saw that as "V2" for a minute due to my phone screen size and me just waking up. Was really confused why you were mentioning a German rocket system.

[a gaijin]

RestosIII, on 23 December 2016 - 07:11 AM, said:

I saw that as "V2" for a minute due to my phone screen size and me just waking up. Was really confused why you were mentioning a German rocket system.

"Just my 2 cents," Japan style. A bad(?) habit I have from living overseas and refering to everything in ¥en.

[Jman5]

EgoSlayer, on 22 December 2016 - 02:16 PM, said:

And I know far more people with Computer Science degrees than don't,. So obviously there are far more people who have CS degrees than don't...

Please, just because your core group of people have that W/L record doesn't make it even remotely representative of the population at large. Comp groups and comp players are going to carry that and are representational of less than ~20% of the population. In fact, its even lower than that. From the current leader board stats there are 1668 people with a W/L record of 2.0 or higher, out of 34989 records. That's the top 5% of the entire population of MWO, after factoring out the people with less than 10 matches which puts it at an even smaller percentage. That's by very definition a 'big deal' accomplishment to use your words.

Man, I wish it separated Solo and Group Queue stats. For anyone reading some of these comments and getting discouraged, getting a 2.0+ WLR in the solo queue is not trivial. I finally managed it in Season 5 and I was pretty happy. If you can do it solo after playing a sizable number of games, that means you're doing really well.

I would say that of those 1600 people with over 2.0 WLR 90% of them are primarily group queue and I think that is being very generous.

Edited by Jman5, 23 December 2016 - 10:35 AM.