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[Lykaon]

Douglas grizzly, on 21 December 2016 - 08:00 PM, said:

Explain why whenever i am forced to do a conquest match, every last one of the tier 1 players are on the opposing side and the game mode is impossible to win? The only reason i play then is because if i dont pgi in their infinite wisdom forces you to play or be banned. In every case the game is always a loss and NO pipqsqueak bonus is worth going into a battle knowing you will lose. If PGI really cared they would fix the match maker and ban the tier ones from playing with anyone lower than tier 2. I would like for the replies to be polite and cordial not the usual get gud bs. Its hard to get good when you are getting trashed in every game.

Here is what you do to improve your win chances.

Take charge!

Here is the plan.

Step one figure out what your two fastest mechs are.

Step two your fastest mech goes for the second closest cap while your second fastest mech goes for the closest cap and return to the group immediatley.EVERYONE ELSE forms up on you and you herd them to the most likely point of enemy contact for that map you are on.

Step two A if the map is a larger one and if you have a very fast mech or a fast mech with ECM send them and only them after the enemy's origin cap.They just cap it to a sliver or even just uncap it before returning to the group.

Step three engage a scattered strung out enemy with the bulk of your "deathballed" force for a quick early match kill lead.

The overall strategy is your captured cap points are bait for the enemy to send units to cap and out of the fray leaving you with the numbers advantage for the brawl that's going down. If your team can not win a battle where they have a clear numbers advantage they were not going to win anyhow don't sweat it there will be another game.

It is important to play aggressiviley in the early portion of the engagment to take advantage of the likelyhood of the enemy's disorganized formation and lack of outriders that are ranging far and away for caps. DO NOT DELAY if you have your team balled up ATTACK ATTACK ATTACK while the advantage is yours.

[Dremnon]

Matchmaker does need a tune up. With the initial release of the Tier system there were some better matches, but the inherent flaw of the system is that eventually everyone will arrive at Tier 1, it's just a matter of how many games it takes to get there based on the players skill level. It's likely a population issue that creates this lopsided matches, I would say that maybe 1 out of every 10 is actually a close match with the majority being fairly lopsided.

What needs to be created is a two tier system that looks at total matches played along with how the current Tier system is calculated. That being, someone with ~400 drops that is Tier 3 shouldn't be placed in a group with someone with ~4000 drops that is Tier 1. This type of scenario can exist based on the current MM process in the solo que, which I think is a major cause of so many lopsided games.

[Bud Crue]

Douglas,

If I may be so bold:
This here is a forum about a video game. Games are fun. Do what you have to do to have fun with it. If you can't manage that, then maybe a different game is for you. I am a T3 terribad. Yet I get placed against T1 players all the time. Just pick one and shoot at him/her. Run around like a nutter and drive em insane. Stick with the group and an make the effort. Cap the points. Whatever. But do what you need to do to get enjoyment from the play. If ya can't do that, then, well...

[QuePan]

while there are ways to fix the MM system i doubt the game has the population for such changes ,any way used to prevent such onesided MM would increase wait times all around then we will have oldest playing players complaining about Queue times again are you willing to deal with those queue times again?

[Mystere]

Appogee, on 21 December 2016 - 11:19 PM, said:

I vote against Domination because it's a crap imbalanced mode on several maps.

Well, it's actually that imbalance and finding yourself drawing the short stick that makes me like Domination. But that's me.

[Ratpoison]

Because you're bad, can't accept it, and are projecting your flaws onto your teammates, giving you the impression that the other side always has better players, even though it factually can't.

[LordSkippy]

Ratpoison, on 22 December 2016 - 11:10 AM, said:

... giving you the impression that the other side always has better players, even though it factually can't.

Well, since the other side doesn't have him on it, technically it can.

[Angel of Annihilation]

My Stats for Game Modes are as follows:

Assault: 1.20 W/L
Conquest: 1.08 W/L
Skirmish: 1.13 W/L
Domination: 1.45 W/L
Escort: 1.75 W/L

So Conquest is barely at break even for me while I almost 2 out of every 3 matches on Escort. No idea which such a big difference but I think there are at least some random elements to it.

[The Unstoppable Puggernaut]

OP.

Try taking command at the start of the match and give some direction. It can change the outcome significantly. It almost doesn't matter who you drop with, if everyones on the same page and willing for the cause, you can achieve some amazing results.

I helped rally a group of pugs vs a fully clanned opponent in FW. We only just about beat them. That's the only time I've ever beaten a fully clanned opponent.

[1453 R]

Douglas grizzly, on 21 December 2016 - 08:00 PM, said:

"I'm going to complain about matchmaking, then I'm going to ignore everyone who tells me it's not matchmaking's fault because there's no possible conceivable reason it could be me, or confirmation bias, or a particularly rotten day, or anything else at fault."

[Mole]

I love it when people start throwing out hackusations in this game. Seriously, I've been playing this game since early 2014 and I've only seen one dude who I felt was using an aimbot. Only hack I've ever seen in this game. Just once. In what will soon be three years of gameplay.

[Vellron2005]

I just wonder if it occurred to anyone that there actually might not be enough Tier 1 and Tier 2 players to fill the ques so as to only put T1 and T2's together?

Maybe they filter into lower tiers cause the MM is struggling to fill the ques as is?

You guys do know that MWO has been bleeding players for months? On top of that, the holidays are here.. and that means less people in the ques, since people tend to spend more time with their families and playing other games other than MWO..

So yes, sometimes its hard.. just roll with the punches and keep swinging..

Or cry and QQ and go play minesweeper..

[PhoenixFire55]

Douglas grizzly, on 21 December 2016 - 08:00 PM, said:

Explain why whenever i am forced to do a conquest match, every last one of the tier 1 players are on the opposing side and the game mode is impossible to win?

And you know they all are T1 from your magic crystal ball or smth?

Douglas grizzly, on 21 December 2016 - 08:00 PM, said:

The only reason i play then is because if i dont pgi in their infinite wisdom forces you to play or be banned. In every case the game is always a loss and NO pipqsqueak bonus is worth going into a battle knowing you will lose. If PGI really cared they would fix the match maker and ban the tier ones from playing with anyone lower than tier 2. I would like for the replies to be polite and cordial not the usual get gud bs. Its hard to get good when you are getting trashed in every game.

Well if you don't want "gitgud" then maybe actually, ya know ... gitgud? And I don't mean in-game, but rather in terms of actual knowledge instead of silly assumptions and baseless accusations. If you honestly think that limiting T1's to playing with T1's and T2's will actually fix anything it only tells everyone that you have no idea how PSR MM actually works, nor did you read any other MM-related forum threads, including those that already answered your "question" in detail.

P.S. A worse than average player is actually (surprise surprise) supposed to lose more games than he wins. Not sure if he is also supposed to blame *insert his favorite reason here* for those losses instead of himself tho. Probably.

[PhoenixFire55]

Douglas grizzly, on 21 December 2016 - 08:53 PM, said:

Besides as snake noted (even though he was being sarcastic) there is alot of hacking going on.and nothing seems to getting done on that end.

Last time I've seen you in my match you accused someone of hacking when you were standing still in the open and got rekt by gauss fire coming from 800m+ away. Before that you accused another guy when he lurmed you to death "without being able to see you", while the entire 30+ seconds you were being lurmed you stood under the enemy UAV.

So yeah ... hacking is rampart. Keep calm and stay clueless. No offense.

[QuantumButler]

Douglas grizzly, on 21 December 2016 - 08:00 PM, said:

Explain why whenever i am forced to do a conquest match, every last one of the tier 1 players are on the opposing side and the game mode is impossible to win? The only reason i play then is because if i dont pgi in their infinite wisdom forces you to play or be banned. In every case the game is always a loss and NO pipqsqueak bonus is worth going into a battle knowing you will lose. If PGI really cared they would fix the match maker and ban the tier ones from playing with anyone lower than tier 2. I would like for the replies to be polite and cordial not the usual get gud bs. Its hard to get good when you are getting trashed in every game.

The only constant in every match you play is yourself bro, if you keep losing repeatedly you should consider carefully where the fault really lies...

[HauptmanT]

Well since this guy called conquest/canyon the worst map/mode, we know he is either clueless or trolling. Since that is my favorite map/mode combo!

Seriously though. Like learn to play conquest. The only constant in your conquest games, is you. What exactly are you doing wrong? Are you typing in all chat where your team is going? Are you shooting your own team mates in the back? Are you bringing a LOLcust and then attacking the enemy instead of capping? Are you bringing a Kodiak and running around getting caps? Seriously, what are you doing?

Conquest is easy free money. Fast mechs cap. Everyone else goes to theta and wrecks the enemy*. /win

*note; Some maps are a slightly different tactic. such as...

Canyon: Everyone goes to Epsilon. EVERYONE!
Mining: Lights get their cap and harass enemy lights. Everyone else links up with assaults and kills enemy assaults.

I just want to stress, conquest is such a good mode, I bought a LOLcust Peanut Butter just to use it in conquest! I have many-a-times been the last man standing and winning that map mode in my PB. As a heavy or assault though, I just take over command duty and tell everyone else what to do.

Edited by HauptmanT, 23 December 2016 - 04:53 AM.