21 replies to this topic

[Ras187]

Kick the random inv Bot, and get a New one,,, Shake the Bag Plz.... some players been panding since round 1, and then Brand new founders get there key on there 1 round...Sertainly Not fair ,,,,Personaly i think its BS,,,,,

[Rushyo]

It is fair. It just has some... side effects. I think it's pretty obvious that if I get into the game now my initial plan to play it competitively is severly impaired. There are many thousands of players who have a significant head-start on me in terms of familiarisation with the game's mechanics and development of muscle memory, which puts me at a direct disadvantage when the game does eventually come out.

It will almost certainly force me to play the game differently if I want to be competitive, probably significantly restructuring my personal time to offset the advantage others have gained and forcing me to focus on personal training over just playing casually, so that I might catch up with at least a portion of the player base. It's unreasonable to suggest it's an entirely equitible method, it clearly favours the lucky over the unlucky

Doesn't mean it's unfair, though. We knew what we were getting into when we signed up and it applies to everyone. We had an equal chance of being one of the lucky ones and we just plain haven't been lucky.

Edited by Rushyo, 25 July 2012 - 04:53 AM.

[Der Zivilist]

It is not even 6 AM over there in Vancouver. You'll have to be patient a while longer.

IF keys are sent out today, it will likely happen at 4-5 PM, Vancouver time. In other words, 10-11 hours from now.

[Dr Killinger]

It's perfectly fair. What would be unfair is if people who only found out about this game yesterday had a greatly diminished chance of getting in compared to people who were lucky enough to join on day 1. And besides, it's not a right to get into Beta, the team want testers, not players.

We're all dying to play, here, but we'll get the game on the 7th.And even then, it's Beta, it's not finished, things will change before we can get used to them, and we'll be expected to actually test.

Edited by Dr Killinger, 25 July 2012 - 04:53 AM.

[Ras187]

Der Zivilist, on 25 July 2012 - 04:49 AM, said:

It is not even 6 AM over there in Vancouver. You'll have to be patient a while longer.

IF keys are sent out today, it will likely happen at 4-5 PM, Vancouver time. In other words, 10-11 hours from now.

´lol dont u think i know that mate,,,, been pending 13 rounds, like Many many other i know.... but stilll

[BenEEeees VAT GROWN BACON]

Shaking a bag and pulling out 2000 names would be very time consuming, and would delay intake into beta I think

Edited by BenEEeees VAT GROWN BACON, 25 July 2012 - 04:57 AM.

[Rushyo]

Dr Killinger, on 25 July 2012 - 04:52 AM, said:

It's perfectly fair. What would be unfair is if people who only found out about this game yesterday had a greatly diminished chance of getting in compared to people who were lucky enough to join on day 1.

What day you chose to spend your money is not a matter of luck. There are obviously going to be strong correlations as far as who chose to buy it on day 1 was concerned. By your argument, it would be unfair that people can't buy founders after release as that's merely a matter of 'luck', so founders should never end.

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And besides, it's not a right to get into Beta, the team want testers, not players.

They're not inviting 2000 people a go because they want professionally written bug reports. They want players playing the game in a realistic fashion to get realistic data. Regardless, the fact that beta players can't magically forget everything they've learnt when the game finally comes out means they do have an advantage. That's an inequality, regardless of whether it's intentional. I suspect it's not perceived as a problem, since it's still fair.

Edited by Rushyo, 25 July 2012 - 05:02 AM.

[Risnd34th]

Personally, I dont think time is a factor when it comes to what I consider "true skill", true skill isnt dependent on time played, or who you play with but your skill as an individual, you should feel confident that within a couple days or weeks you should be as good as your opponent if not better.

[Ras187]

i would think, when u buy a founder pack in start, u would play this Game alot, personaly i would spam play untill i drop, call in sick, wake up then spam play again, if was needed, proberly do it anyway.... all im saying is the comitment is there, but its really really hard to stay excited, when u get knocked out 13 rounds,,, ohh well soon to be Legenday Pender. lol

[Vandralys Kezia]

Risnd34th, on 25 July 2012 - 05:50 AM, said:

Personally, I dont think time is a factor when it comes to what I consider "true skill", true skill isnt dependent on time played, or who you play with but your skill as an individual, you should feel confident that within a couple days or weeks you should be as good as your opponent if not better.

I agree with you but at the same time, no. Skill obviously can be gained over hardcore grinding, if you do it enough you'll get good at it in most cases.

[Ras187]

Ras187, on 25 July 2012 - 06:20 AM, said:

i would think, when u buy a founder pack in start, u would play this Game alot, personaly i would spam play untill i drop, call in sick, wake up then spam play again, if was needed, proberly do it anyway.... all im saying is the comitment is there, but its really really hard to stay excited, when u get knocked out 13 rounds,,, ohh well soon to be Legenday Pender. lol

yes an on that note, even made a acount for my littlebrother and bought founder ofc,,, so would say my/our luck is realy bad.

[Coolant]

I'm just glad everyone will start with zero XP and the same Cbills. Maybe some will have more experience, but day one everyone will in many regards be equal

[Aescwulf]

If you keep complaining then your definitely won't get there

[Ras187]

Nitsua Asuka, on 25 July 2012 - 06:29 AM, said:

If you keep complaining then your definitely won't get there

lol u miss the point,,, done with complaining long ago

[Rushyo]

Nitsua Asuka, on 25 July 2012 - 06:29 AM, said:

If you keep complaining then your definitely won't get there

It makes no difference either way, but it does makes me feel irrationally better

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you should feel confident that within a couple days or weeks you should be as good as your opponent if not better.

This is a false assumption. The amount of effort you need to put in to meet the minimum standard to let your 'natural talent' shine through (at least in a decent competitive game) is roughly the same order of magnitude that all the other best players are putting in. Your hypothesis holds up in local gaming, even up to provincial tournaments. However when your competition is the best of millions of people your innate skill does not become a factor until you bring your acquired skill up to a representative level. We can derive from this that more people that play the game, the worse this effect is.

In other words, to maximise the impact of your natural skill you need to make sure you're putting in around the same ballpark number of hours as your competition. It also means, curiously, that natural skill is less of a factor for players of modern video games than it was in the past (because the numbers of players were lower back then), except amongst hardcore professional players (who put in the hours regardless) where natural skill always plays a strong factor.

Addendum: This works for any sport. If we consider football, no matter how talented you are after only two weeks of practice you are not going to be equal to any professional footballer. However once you put your years of training in, your talent becomes much more relevant.

Edited by Rushyo, 25 July 2012 - 07:22 AM.

[Mech1011010]

This isn't whats needed here we need solidarity not yelp and smacks! lets just say its cool to be known that you may have a chance and you may not!

Edited by Mech1011010, 25 July 2012 - 07:25 AM.

[Undead Bane]

I'm sitting at the pending club from hour 1 of founders programm. It's hellishly upsetting, but it's kinda bad luck...

[Rackminster]

Could always fire up MechWarrior 4 (the closest thing I can think of to this) and practice on the hardest difficulty. The controls should be mappable to almost identical keys (if not exactly identical) so all you're really missing then is actual practice shooting at people in Mechs instead of AI...

Personally, my little gamer's heart skips a beat when I come here and see that blue "Register" button instead of my yellow "Pending" one after logging in. For a split second I think "Yeah, I'm IN!" and then I realize I haven't logged in yet. Every time.

[Rushyo]

Rackminster, on 25 July 2012 - 07:59 AM, said:

Could always fire up MechWarrior 4 (the closest thing I can think of to this) and practice on the hardest difficulty. The controls should be mappable to almost identical keys (if not exactly identical) so all you're really missing then is actual practice shooting at people in Mechs instead of AI...

I can defeat level 9 MW4 bots with ease (being outnumbered notwithstanding). Have no idea what the key maps will be I'll probably end up changing MWO's key mappings to suit my existing MW4 ones anyway, as they're entirely custom. All that said, I have been doing this. I've also been taking the time to play lots of older MW releases again, as well as write a new BattleTech product that I'm hoping to get licensed.

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Personally, my little gamer's heart skips a beat when I come here and see that blue "Register" button instead of my yellow "Pending" one after logging in. For a split second I think "Yeah, I'm IN!" and then I realize I haven't logged in yet. Every time.

Me too

[stealthed]

Sommething wierd is happening to my browser. The devs are mocking me