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[Yanlowen Cage]

It's is a broken mode. if you are escorting you have a huge advantage. if not well:
turrets that don't switch to your side when you cap flags.
those same turrets took 4% armor off my mech in one shot. so very damaging to lights trying to flip flags.
escort team hides under ecm flags and wastes the attacker who half the time can't get a target lock.
vip mech is NOT slowed by legging him. really?
lights have to flip flags and find the vip.
basically taking turret and enemy fire just to say "over here"
I can't stand this mode even if I am escorting and really hate to have to attack.
Worst than domination on alpine peaks.
Yes I know the attackers can win. but a team that talks to each other on the escort side is nearly unstoppable.

[Cupid and Psyche _]

View it as a work in progress; not as a finished product.

[Wintersdark]

Yanlowen Cage, on 28 December 2016 - 09:40 AM, said:

It's is a broken mode. if you are escorting you have a huge advantage. if not well:
turrets that don't switch to your side when you cap flags.
those same turrets took 4% armor off my mech in one shot. so very damaging to lights trying to flip flags.
escort team hides under ecm flags and wastes the attacker who half the time can't get a target lock.
vip mech is NOT slowed by legging him. really?
lights have to flip flags and find the vip.
basically taking turret and enemy fire just to say "over here"
I can't stand this mode even if I am escorting and really hate to have to attack.
Worst than domination on alpine peaks.
Yes I know the attackers can win. but a team that talks to each other on the escort side is nearly unstoppable.

If you're attacking, attack, don't flip flags.

Amusingly, I didn't even know you could capture anything on Escort - really, there's little reason to do so. To win at escort as the attackers is basically exactly like winning on skirmish: Just kill them. If anything, you've an advantage because the defenders can't turtle somewhere strong.

Which is really pretty reasonable. After all, your job is to kill the VIP. If the defenders don't defend him, then just kill him. If they do, then kill them. Either way, blow stuff up; that's your job. Finding the VIP is generally easy, because he'll be near a swarm of defenders.

Not to say the game mode is perfect; it's new, a work in progress. This is always the case with new game modes. The VIP *should* be slowed by legging (he's really not?!) but if not, don't bother legging and just kill him. To be honest, I can't recall many games where it's come down to his getting to the dropship while under fire that would otherwise kill him if he just moved a bit slower.

But, yeah; "just remove it" is useless and counterproductive. They're not going to just remove it anyways, so you're pissing in the wind. Seriously, though, the last thing we need is fewer game modes.

Instead, try being useful and suggesting improvements.

[El Bandito]

I just want Escort gone from Solo-Q. Too many derps derping around ATM.

[Fox the Apprentice]

I enjoy escort.

[YourSaviorLegion]

I've seen a lot of Pugs not defend the VIP at all and lose the game in a minute. It's the not the game mode it's the people...

[XxXAbsolutZeroXxX]

The game mode isn't at fault.



Its the derps running straight for the VIP and dying ^ without inflicting more than 10 damage.

Edited by I Zeratul I, 28 December 2016 - 10:42 AM.

[YourSaviorLegion]

I feel like the caliber of player has lowered significantly...

[Y E O N N E]

I like Escort. I dont like having to eat at 10 damage to one component in a Light before I can kill the turrets. That is pretty brutal and is my one complaint with the game mode at this time. All other complaints are player complaints.

[Bud Crue]

I read the thread title as:

Just Do Away With Esports.

Got all excited there for a sec.

[Lukoi Banacek]

I enjoy Escort pretty much and dont see it being any more potato-prone than any other mode. Sometimes players do dumb things on this mode but frankly, no more or less often than people in the other modes. And neither defending nor attacking seem to be a shoe in. Its really not hard to figure what works and what doesnt in that mode. And like Assault with defensive turrets, this mode will get refined over time.

[RestosIII]

I actually really enjoy escort myself. And from my experience, most of the "It's unbalanced/bad!" yelling I've seen ingame was always after an enemy team just did a terrible job. Like an enemy team that kept complaining about how escort was a broken game mode, when their entire assault lance had decided to chase a Firestarter and my Adder instead of actually engaging my entire team.

[Yanlowen Cage]

RestosIII, on 28 December 2016 - 01:16 PM, said:

I actually really enjoy escort myself. And from my experience, most of the "It's unbalanced/bad!" yelling I've seen ingame was always after an enemy team just did a terrible job. Like an enemy team that kept complaining about how escort was a broken game mode, when their entire assault lance had decided to chase a Firestarter and my Adder instead of actually engaging my entire team.

Exactly! in puglandia if one part of your group screws off and doesn't follow a predefined plan your team is SCREWED! attacking or defending. But more attacking. and In puglandia how freaking often does a team work as one.

Escort is a TEAM game, not a pug game. period!

[GreyNovember]

Yanlowen Cage, on 28 December 2016 - 06:35 PM, said:

Escort is a TEAM game, not a pug game. period!

Mate, the whole game is a team game. The one that coordinates best wrecks the other side.

This applies for any game mode.

[JediPanther]

He just wants to pilot the super atlas. My atlas wishes he could take half the damage as that vip atlas. 1oo ton paper weight.

[Gaden Phoenix]

Another thread. Sigh. At this point I super tired of replying on why Escort is good.

Only will say, Get Gud. Learn to Team in Puglandia. VOIP is OPed. Potatoes will be potatoes in any mode.

Edited by Gaden Phoenix, 28 December 2016 - 07:00 PM.

[Thor Sten]

Wintersdark, on 28 December 2016 - 09:59 AM, said:

If you're attacking, attack, don't flip flags.

Amusingly, I didn't even know you could capture anything on Escort - really, there's little reason to do so.

As long as the flags are active, they act as Radar and ECM for the enemy. You'll want them at least deactivated or you'll be LRMed where ever you are (without an option to use your LRMs) and the enemy knows all to well where you're coming from.

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I can understand OP. The turrets are able to badly damage lights and the radar stations make scouting a sucide mission. However, even with mostly playing locusts (and dying a lot on Escort), I enjoy the new game mode. I'm still learning I guess and happy to see how things play out in the end.

[Wintersdark]

Thor Sten, on 28 December 2016 - 07:14 PM, said:

As long as the flags are active, they act as Radar and ECM for the enemy. You'll want them at least deactivated or you'll be LRMed where ever you are (without an option to use your LRMs) and the enemy knows all to well where you're coming from.

The flags don't have a huge range, and LRM's... well, they're LRM's. Not really a huge concern.

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I can understand OP. The turrets are able to badly damage lights and the radar stations make scouting a sucide mission. However, even with mostly playing locusts (and dying a lot on Escort), I enjoy the new game mode. I'm still learning I guess and happy to see how things play out in the end.

Just don't run off trying to kill turrets alone. This isn't news; turrets aren't new. No different than when we had turrets in Assault.

Just don't take your locust against a turret one on one. That's just dumb.

Flags are not important; LRM's are really not very important. If you're going to fight near one, then hit the turret from a distance and deal with it if you must as a group.

[Johnny Z]

So far had no problems with the mode either side. Those ECM towers work for both sides. On the attack try get a couple and set up near them or what ever, because the defending team is forced to walk into them.

Attacking team has advantage to choose ground, it doesn't have to be in front, it can be to the side of where the defending team is forced to go, the defending team doesn't have a choice in the matter. So in many ways the attacking team has the advantage.

Defending team is fairly simple and that's to eliminate or damage the attacking team enough to allow the VIP through, or delay, but that involves keeping other team under fire and pinned down. This is assisted to a rather small degree by the defenses.

In this mode there is no rush, either side has to wait for the other to make a mistake. But standard procedure for attacking team is to get a couple of the front ECM towers with cover or a hill to fight from behind. The defending team inevitably has to cross open ground and easy marks for LRM's or what ever.

The team with more quality pilots and less newbies will win this just like any other match, with a little bit of luck involved. These days don't underestimate the power or frequency of trolling either, although game play has been extremely excellent for me lately.

Edited by Johnny Z, 28 December 2016 - 09:37 PM.

[Ted Wayz]

YourSaviorLegion, on 28 December 2016 - 10:43 AM, said:

I feel like the caliber of player has lowered significantly...

Which might mean new players. Is that a bad thing?

Like escort mode. Would love to see a hardcore mode where salvage comes back and units can buy resupplies but then have to escort them against an opposing team in order to put them in their unit inventory.