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[The6thMessenger]

So i recently just stepped up Tier 1, in fact the gauge hasn't even reached the word "Tier".

However, it's not as different as it seems. Still there are LRM Pugs around -- i even encounted an ROC with LRM5As (WTFF?). They seem to be a bit more talkative, and also salty though.

The6thMessenger, on 02 January 2017 - 08:54 PM, said:

Hmm, i think this has something to do with consolation-points. People are rewarded for doing something right constantly like being with the team, like flanking, spotting, solo murder. Yet when you're doing something stupid, it only hurts your chances of winning. Whereas get enough points, you can retain, or even get up the tier. And because there are no major point deductions, people can just farm points.

What if we have actual point deduction system introduced too? Like if you had bad damage trade, when you are locked or spotted by the enemy, when you miss, when your LRMs hit minimum range, or PPC minimum range. Basically these incur - match points and CBills.

So, what if there's also penalties for disadvantageous events, like there are rewards on advantageous actions like spotting, flanking, solo kill, brawling, etc.

e.g.
- Spotted (only applies to mech-to-mech locks and UAV locks, not VIP radar or Turret locks)
- ECM Countered (With lock-reliant weapons)
- Bad Trade (When the damage dealt to an enemy is greater than your team deals damage. It's possible that a spotter can be damaged, but the team was able to deal greater damage via help, and it won't be considered as Bad Trade.)
- Blocked LRM. (LRMs fired under 180m, or LRM.)
- Bad LRM (LRMs traveled 800m and above, and did not do any damage.)
- Missed Shot. (Triggers every accumulated 30 damage worth of attacks not doing any damage.)

Edited by The6thMessenger, 02 January 2017 - 09:09 PM.

[Y E O N N E]

We've been saying this for over a year, now...

[Bombast]

Well, I mean... the match maker isn't 'working' at the moment, so you're probably still fighting Tier 5 guys.

You also have to remember that generally, PSR isn't a skill meter, it's a 'Time Played' meter. Higher tiers don't necessarily mean greater skill, just great consistency at whatever they do.

Or at least that's been my observations as I've climbed up. Obviously I'm not Tier 1 myself, but the only change I've encountered getting to Tier 2 is that the people I play with keep getting more and more consistent with their play. I don't see a reason why Tier 1 would be any different.

[Antares102]

Depending on time of day half my team are LRM boats and 50% its Polar LRM land being voted.
Tier 1 does not guarantee competent players.
The Tier 1 only play with Tier 1 to Tier 3 is also a lie.
I see confirmed Tier 4/5 (via forum) in almost every match.

[Tristan Winter]

There used to be more of a difference than there is now.

The only major difference is that you'll almost never be dropped into a T5-T4 match. This has happened to me several times with my T2 account, and it's no bueno for anyone involved.

Edited by Tristan Winter, 02 January 2017 - 08:16 PM.

[Y E O N N E]

I will say that a year ago, when I was still finishing out T2, I used to see more "All-Star Tier 1" matches. Big names on both teams and it was a spectacle of brutal efficiency. Nobody really got good scores in these matches, because that's what happens when everybody is really good and the mechanics enforce a snowball effect.

Those are very few and far between these days. You might see a game with three or four big names on each side surrounded by a bunch of randos, but it's been a long time since I've seen a game where both sides are stacked with EmP, SJR, 228th, AS, etc.

[The6thMessenger]

Yeonne Greene, on 02 January 2017 - 08:20 PM, said:

I will say that a year ago, when I was still finishing out T2, I used to see more "All-Star Tier 1" matches. Big names on both teams and it was a spectacle of brutal efficiency. Nobody really got good scores in these matches, because that's what happens when everybody is really good and the mechanics enforce a snowball effect.

Those are very few and far between these days. You might see a game with three or four big names on each side surrounded by a bunch of randos, but it's been a long time since I've seen a game where both sides are stacked with EmP, SJR, 228th, AS, etc.

Hmm... Am i a big name?

[RestosIII]

The6thMessenger, on 02 January 2017 - 08:22 PM, said:

Hmm... Am i a big name?

Trust me on this, you don't really want to get recognized ingame. It's starting to happen to me, and nothing good comes out of it at all.

[Y E O N N E]

I dunno, I enjoy recognizing and being recognized. It makes the interaction within the game more interesting and less ragey when you know the people around you, even when you lose.

[Bombast]

RestosIII, on 02 January 2017 - 08:28 PM, said:

Trust me on this, you don't really want to get recognized ingame. It's starting to happen to me, and nothing good comes out of it at all.

It probably wouldn't happen so often if you didn't call out everyone you recognize for Zellbrigen and roleplay every match.

Yeonne Greene, on 02 January 2017 - 08:29 PM, said:

I dunno, I enjoy recognizing and being recognized. It makes the interaction within the game more interesting and less ragey when you know the people around you, even when you lose.

I agree. Right up until you see McGral18 on the enemy team. Then the novelty wears off.

Edited by Bombast, 02 January 2017 - 08:33 PM.

[Gaden Phoenix]

The6thMessenger, on 02 January 2017 - 08:22 PM, said:

Hmm... Am i a big name?

Can I say Yes? you name the big.

Anyways, I find that in T1, matches are the same, as T1 players are a very diverse bunch.

Everyone ends up in T1 to T3 sooner or later. Sure you might get one or two T4 or T5 in the match. But mostly you get other T1~T3 potatoes.

Since the Tiers are both skill based and time based. Some people get up to T1 based on time spent. Others based purely on skill. And people like me that is based on some skill and time combination.

What I do not like about T1 matches is that you can have 2 or 3 good players on your side, then the rest filled up with potatoes that somehow got to T1~T3. Then the enemy team can have 6 good players on their side. Because everyone is basically T1~T3, the really skill level of your team is really really random.

Edited by Gaden Phoenix, 02 January 2017 - 08:41 PM.

[Y E O N N E]

Bombast, on 02 January 2017 - 08:32 PM, said:

I agree. Right up until you see McGral on the enemy team. Then the novelty wears off.

Nah. He's almost always piloting the most powerful cheese available in the game when he's not doing his Viper headshot thing. You just accept that if you lose, it's because your team were idiots that let him farm them up either because nobody thinks shooting the Banshee/Kodiak is a good idea or because two bozos decided hanging back 400 meters from the rest of the group in a goddamn Centurion and Orion was a fantastic life choice.

[RestosIII]

Bombast, on 02 January 2017 - 08:32 PM, said:

It probably wouldn't happen so often if you didn't call out everyone you recognize for Zellbrigen and roleplay every match.

Most of the time I'll just say hi to anyone I see that I actually recognize, and keep it to that. In the last couple months, either people got sick and tired of me, or everyone got a stick up their butt, so I try to keep my head down ATM, and I'll readily recommend other people to do the same.

[Snazzy Dragon]

From what I understand, the matchmaker used to work because the good players climbed quickly into T1, but by now all the potatoes have received enough participation points to make it under the upwards trend, so tier means basically noting at this point.

[Gaden Phoenix]

Snazzy Dragon, on 02 January 2017 - 08:40 PM, said:

From what I understand, the matchmaker used to work because the good players climbed quickly into T1, but by now all the potatoes have received enough participation points to make it under the upwards trend, so tier means basically noting at this point.

Have they ever reset the Tiers before? I think the Tiers should be reset ever so often, to get back to the above.

[Bombast]

Yeonne Greene, on 02 January 2017 - 08:37 PM, said:

Nah. He's almost always piloting the most powerful cheese available in the game when he's not doing his Viper headshot thing. You just accept that if you lose, it's because your team were idiots that let him farm them up either because nobody thinks shooting the Banshee/Kodiak is a good idea or because two bozos decided hanging back 400 meters from the rest of the group in a goddamn Centurion and Orion was a fantastic life choice.

Either way, I don't think I've ever been in a match where McGral didn't kill me in the most humiliating fashion imaginable.

Wait, once I overheated and suicided. Because McGral was chasing me around with a Flamer and I was desperately trying to fend him off before his buddies closed in for the kill.

Then again, I seem to have this weird thing where people on the forum smear me whenever we meet. RestosIII crushed me last time we met and I accepted Zellbrigen (While I out tonned him). On man, it was bad. I wish I had recorded it.

I think the only people I've constantly beaten are the Hackusation family. But who doesn't grind them under their heel?

RestosIII, on 02 January 2017 - 08:38 PM, said:

Most of the time I'll just say hi to anyone I see that I actually recognize, and keep it to that. In the last couple months, either people got sick and tired of me, or everyone got a stick up their butt, so I try to keep my head down ATM, and I'll readily recommend other people to do the same.

Weird.

[Tombs Clawtooth]

Considering how bad I am, that I'm in tier 2 is laughable.

It seems I'm not alone in there either. Since I went to tier 2 I notice WORSE players than I did in tier 3 and 4.

Tier 5 was certainly terrible, but tier 2 so far isn't that far off.

[The6thMessenger]

Hmm, i think this has something to do with consolation-points. People are rewarded for doing something right constantly like being with the team, like flanking, spotting, solo murder. Yet when you're doing something stupid, it only hurts your chances of winning. Whereas get enough points, you can retain, or even get up the tier. And because there are no major point deductions, people can just farm points.

What if we have actual point deduction system introduced too? Like if you had bad damage trade, when you are locked or spotted by the enemy, when you miss, when your LRMs hit minimum range, or PPC minimum range. Basically these incur - match points and CBills.

Edited by The6thMessenger, 02 January 2017 - 08:56 PM.

[El Bandito]

The6thMessenger, on 02 January 2017 - 07:56 PM, said:

So i recently just stepped up Tier 1, in fact the gauge hasn't even reached the word "Tier".

However, it's not as different as it seems. Still there are LRM Pugs around -- i even encounted an ROC with LRM5As (WTFF?). They seem to be a bit more talkative, and also salty though.

You are too late to the party. T1 is already diluted by the upwards biased PSR. Good news is: You do not have to play with T5 players. T4 players will still drop with you though...

[Y E O N N E]

El Bandito, on 02 January 2017 - 08:55 PM, said:

You do not have to play with T5 players.

Lieeeeeeeees!

Thought we debunked this already...