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[C E Dwyer]

Prof RJ Gumby, on 01 January 2017 - 01:59 PM, said:

Well, sice this thread has been already totally derailed and not having that much sense in the first place...

The problem is, nobody from the feminists movement with any press coverage actually distance actual feminist from those "clickbaits" and "feminists". I mean, c'mon, you have a bunch of hypocrites and cheats ruining the name of your movement and you do nothing to criticize them anyhow? Words of indignation? No open letter with explanations? No official memo, nothing? You represent a movement, you are responsible for it in a way. Rational feminists could easily gain a lot of points among "not declared on either side yet" people (which is always a majority of population) by showing some responsibility and at least protesting about spread of that slur. That would also close the mouth of many anti-feminists.

Modern feminism is tainted with bias and this is what gives fuels to all the haters. Just one old example: Zoe Quinn. A total douchebag of a person, a cheater and a liar got defended by everyone because she EXPRESSED how much of a progressive feminist is she. She was a woman and she claimed to be a harassed feminist, so everyone and their mother, both among feminists and among officials ran to her aid. Just because she SAID so. She even got invited to a UN meeting to talk about cyber harassment of "poor women like her". Were there a word of protest from sane feminists who could see that this was just a very bad and selfish person pushing her own agenda, exploiting a social trend? Nope. Did anybody among the feminist movement commented anything on the numerous evidence against her claims? Nope.

From more recent news, certain candidate for president of the certain big country just recently used the sex card to lure all women to vote for that person exponentially. Words of protests from the left about sexism or exploiting gender issues for political gain? None. Just a lot happy women on TV during speeches of that candidate and bunch of crying women on TV when that candidate lost. Suddenly nobody mentions how favouring a candidate for a job on the base of its sex is a bad thing.

EDIT: on topic for a change: a game have to be fun for all players. Spawncamping is not, so yes, it should be limited to a degree.

Well what you do is you wait for that golden moment where she asks you to get something, or hold the door, or change a flat tyre, and you say.

" But surely, if I do that then I'm reinforcing, the Male Female stereo type, and being such a proactive Feminist, you wouldn't want that, would you" ?

[Prof RJ Gumby]

Kaeb Odellas, on 01 January 2017 - 02:03 PM, said:

No. **** this. There is absolutely no justification for the amount of raw horseshit generated by the whole gamergate nontroversy. That episode is the reason I don't identify as a "gamer", despite games being my primary hobby. Absolutely sickening.

And that's actually a very healthy reaction. Despicable people on one side of the conflict are not justified to be despicable because there are despicable people on the other side of the conflict too. And that should apply to both sides. Unfortunately, in this case, one side was officially deemed "bad" as a whole for the behaviour of those despicable ones, while the very despicable ones representating the other side were patted on the head and invited to the UN convention to talk about how to change the world to make it a better place.

Cathy, on 01 January 2017 - 02:15 PM, said:

Well what you do is you wait for that golden moment where she asks you to get something, or hold the door, or change a flat tyre, and you say.

" But surely, if I do that then I'm reinforcing, the Male Female stereo type, and being such a proactive Feminist, you wouldn't want that, would you" ?

That would be rather counterproductive. Being a smart*** to people rarely make them consider your arguments. People tend to reinforce their beliefs when they feel them attacked. It's a natural response.

[Kaeb Odellas]

Prof RJ Gumby, on 01 January 2017 - 04:09 PM, said:

And that's actually a very healthy reaction. Despicable people on one side of the conflict are not justified to be despicable because there are despicable people on the other side of the conflict too. And that should apply to both sides. Unfortunately, in this case, one side was officially deemed "bad" as a whole for the behaviour of those despicable ones, while the very despicable ones representating the other side were patted on the head and invited to the UN convention to talk about how to change the world to make it a better place.


That would be rather counterproductive. Being a smart*** to people rarely make them consider your arguments. People tend to reinforce their beliefs when they feel them attacked. It's a natural response.

There is a distinct difference between "I cheated on my BF and received a torrent of death threats and got doxxed for my troubles" and "We sent ****/death threats and doxxed several women because we didn't like what they did/said." Get your false equivalency BS outta here.

At no point in that despicable circus did any one of those worthless gamergater fecaliths ever have to fear for their safety. Or their family's safety.

Edited by Kaeb Odellas, 02 January 2017 - 01:14 PM.

[Tristan Winter]

"Let's hope nobody is spawn camping. This sh*t is weak."

[SuomiWarder]

Yeah but in "Lore" the dropships can move to somewhere else if an enemy is below and they have a lot of guns to shoot at anyone in the drop zone. Plus they can hot drop a bunch of mechs at once rather than dole them out one at a time.

[RestosIII]

'enters thread to read up on what insanity this has to be just by the title'

'sees people talking about social issues, including the gate idiocy'

[Karamanthos]

yes spawn camping is lore friendly, and I would totally agree to it in this game, but give those dropship's their full armaments instead of our gimped versions...I'd see alot of folks suddenly leery and respectful of dropzones then...those things have alot of weapons...yes a group of mechs could destroy one with concentrated fire but they'll lose alot of mechs doing it...its a trade off

a standard Leopard class dropship comes with 2 PPC's, 3 lrm 20's, 7med lasers, 5 Large lasers, in 3053, those would be ERmodels and artemis etc etc...

I for sure would not want to hang out in the dropzone and be fired at by 3 of these ships spewing all of that as fast as they can...

conversely they should also be destroyable...so if you do want to camp then...you at least stand a chance

[nehebkau]

Juodas Varnas, on 01 January 2017 - 06:26 AM, said:

Wasn't there like... a Kotaku article that talked about how "Killing female gamers should be considered ****"?
**** stands for:

Canola.... "Must be considered canola?" that just makes no sense.

[Lily from animove]

Willard Phule, on 01 January 2017 - 04:20 AM, said:

Drop zones need to be "safe places," with coloring books and safety pins.

yes and no.

they need to be save to drop, but they need to deny any return, otherwise teams abuse it by getting lead and then camping their own dropzones.

the real problem is, our dropzones are static, and there ar eno vital objectives that are far away enough from the dropzones. Would we have zones far way enough from the objectives they would probably not leave them. But modes like skirmihs don't even have such zones.

Edited by Lily from animove, 03 January 2017 - 02:12 AM.

[RestosIII]

Lily from animove, on 03 January 2017 - 02:10 AM, said:

yes and no.

they need to be save to drop, but they need to deny any return, otherwise teams abuse it by getting lead and then camping their own dropzones.

the real problem is, our dropzones are static, and there ar eno vital objectives that are far away enough from the dropzones. Would we have zones far way enough from the objectives they would probably not leave them. But modes like skirmihs don't even have such zones.

You know what I'd like? Union dropships for dropping off mechs, but they straight up tell you to get a certain distance from the dropships within a certain amount of time, otherwise the backblast from them taking off will heavily damage any mechs around them. Prevents spawn camping, but it doesn't allow a team to hide underneath the dropships for long.