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[Garfuncle]

I am setting up my bushwacker hero to have 2 uac 5 and a ppc and was wondering if 135 shots is too low for QP

[ShadowbaneX]

Back in the day I ran my Catapult-K2 with 2 uAC/5s with 7 tons of ammo. Back then though there was 20 shots per ton, so that was 140 shots. I'd say you're probably good.

[Zergling]

135 shots = 675 damage.

If you plan on averaging more than 400 damage, that isn't enough.

[Jay Leon Hart]

My general rule(s) of thumb for AC ammo;
First AC? Add 3 tons
Additional AC? Add 2 tons
Is it a UAC? Add 1 ton
Is it a 20? Add 1 ton
Is it / are they my only weapon(s)? Add 1 ton

Seems to work well enough - I rarely run dry and I tend to get into my last ton of ammo if I don't derp too hard

(AC2s... I don't use them enough to know how much is enough!)

So yeah, I'd try to fit 7 tons in there, or drop to 2 AC5s then 5 tons will do, then you can grab another DHS or 2

[Garfuncle]

Alright the absolute max I can fit in is 5 tons. Granted I am supplementing a ppc into my damage so I should have 1K DMG potential

[Tarl Cabot]

Also remember, for both you and your target, ammo explosions is also counted as part of yours or his damage, even though it is indirect damage.

I noted that cause that is how people get the damage numbers they do, they hit a mech that is damaged that is also carrying ammo. Crit that ammo and it cooks off. If there is more ammo it can crit it. Clan mechs though come with free case in all slots do ammo explosions can not transfer to another section like IS mechs.

Edited by Tarl Cabot, 01 January 2017 - 01:22 AM.

[jss78]

For dual-UAC/5, I've always felt like 6 tons is about right.

You want to run out of ammo on occasion, but not too often. If you never run out, it means you're wasting tonnage on ammo. If you run out all the time, you're limiting your potential.

To me 3 tons per gun has felt like the right balance. With substantial backup weapons 2.5 tons per gun might be borderline acceptable, you might just try it.

Last option might be to replace that PPC with a LL, or if you have the hardpoints, a bunch of ML's.

[Audacious Aubergine]

It also depends on your jam chance, trigger discipline, your aim and whether or not you end up focus fired into oblivion from bad positioning

[BigFatGator]

4.5 T for 2 UAC5 is probably ok but boarderline. You may run out at the end of the match, but most of the time it should be good unless you are spamming your UAC's at stuff that is outside optimum range and doing a lot of suppression fire.

For reference I run a JM6DD with 3UAC5's and 8 tuns, and if I run through all that and am still alive (happens on occasion) our team has won the match already.

[ShadowbaneX]

Garfuncle, on 01 January 2017 - 12:33 AM, said:

Alright the absolute max I can fit in is 5 tons. Granted I am supplementing a ppc into my damage so I should have 1K DMG potential

I'm not sure which variant you're going to be using, but I'd pick something other than a PPC for a back-up weapon. A quartet of Medium Lasers would free up 3 tons over the PPC for ammo or whatever.

[Garfuncle]

ShadowbaneX, on 02 January 2017 - 09:57 AM, said:

I'm not sure which variant you're going to be using, but I'd pick something other than a PPC for a back-up weapon. A quartet of Medium Lasers would free up 3 tons over the PPC for ammo or whatever.

I plan on doing the 2 uac5 1 ppc build on the Highroller hero as it is similar to the 2 uac 5 2 ppc on the Black Widow

[ShadowbaneX]

Not a bad plan, but from all the time I played with uAC/5s it seemed that having that extra 20 damage in close with technology MLs was good. At range you can usually dodge, evade or get into cover. To each their own though.

[Jingseng]

Wait to see if you usually live long enough to use it all or not.

[Void Angel]

I typically insist on at least three tons each for my UAC/5s. Much depends on how your matches go, so just take the 5-ton max and monitor your performance.

[DeeHawk]

Jay Leon Hart, on 31 December 2016 - 04:13 PM, said:

My general rule(s) of thumb for AC ammo;
First AC? Add 3 tons
Additional AC? Add 2 tons
Is it a UAC? Add 1 ton
Is it a 20? Add 1 ton
Is it / are they my only weapon(s)? Add 1 ton

This is decent guide for starters, and then you just drop in and analyse your games for adjustment.

I currently use 14 tons ammo for my 6x AC2 King Crab, and thinking about dropping another DHS for the 15th ton.

No other weapons + battling PPC wielders @800m cost me a lot of ammo.

Ammo count all comes down to individual playstyle. Your needs might even change as you learn to pilot your bushwacker better.