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[RestosIII]

Yeonne Greene, on 15 January 2017 - 05:51 PM, said:

Mine is clean and pretty with a complete load-out for you to peruse, including armor allocations.

Vote for it!

/plug

Might want to edit your description of it to actually include the AC/20. You list all of your other weapons properly, but not that one.

Oh, and the lack of PPC arms makes me sad, but I know certain things have to be sacrificed to make mechs not crap.

[Y E O N N E]

RestosIII, on 15 January 2017 - 06:24 PM, said:

Might want to edit your description of it to actually include the AC/20. You list all of your other weapons properly, but not that one.

Oh, and the lack of PPC arms makes me sad, but I know certain things have to be sacrificed to make mechs not crap.

Good call, that's what I get for copy-pasting my RFL-8D entry from CK16's Reinforcements thread and tweaking it into a Warhammer.

[Dee Eight]

Carl Vickers, on 15 January 2017 - 06:22 PM, said:

Oh wow, posting screenshots that could be the only 3 good games you had for the day out of 50 games played. You are not helping your case and I still call BS.

Cherry picking FTW.

Quite honestly I do not care what you call it. You are beneath me and your opinion does not matter to me.

[Y E O N N E]

Bud Crue, on 15 January 2017 - 05:22 PM, said:

Agreed, to an extent. I think a Champ Hammer build should be about giving heavy speed, and heavy weapons...the heavy mech experience is the goal. Your original build is ideal for that, but I think lighter weapons that give a bit more range at the cost of the alpha might be more new user friendly. I'm a only a couple of eyes above full potato and I know that they will rush in and they want to start shooting as soon as they see a red. So a bit of range I think may be better serving them than a concentrated short range alpha. Just my 2 cents.

I also forgot the Gauss version. Complete with CASE so nobody using it dies to RNGesus at T5. There's your longer-range poke, and I don't actually think most new players would have trouble picking up the Gauss charge mechanic, seeing how it's a common mechanic in many shooters.

[Bombast]

Wow. This thread is really bringing out the best in people.

And also the absolute worst.

Hurray for community building?

[RestosIII]

Bombast, on 15 January 2017 - 06:37 PM, said:

Wow. This thread is really bringing out the best in people.

And also the absolute worst.

Hurray for community building?

Spoiler

Honestly, this thread went from "Yeah, I agree!" to "Oh dear lord." so quickly that I'm pretty sure there has to be some sort of curse on it. Well done guys, I guess. You got a nice internet fight here.

[Trollfeed]

Shiroi Tsuki, on 15 January 2017 - 04:48 PM, said:

Champion builds should not be the super try hard meta builds that all the weapons on one arm and basically a naked arm on the other. The Stalker and Spider champions IMHO are two of the bests Champion builds. This is coming from someone who used them extensively when I was new to MWO.

Edit: Also the Crab champion is one of the worst champion Mechs, especially if you want cadets to pilot them

Yea, XL engines for crabs needs that you're familiar with the game and they even picked wrong crab for large pulses, at least I want jumpjets if I'm to take XL with crab so I can always ran away when needed and poptart. Way better choice for trial would have been one of the numerous zombie crab builds. Other current extra stupid trial build is the dragon as DRG-1C would have had way better hardpoint placement than DRG-5N and better quirks too for gauss + ERLL build.

Some IS mechs are real hard mode and are good with only very specialised builds and require understanding of the game mechanics to play that build effectively. Better for trial mech to be mediocre in most situations than be good in very specific one where new player has no idea how to utilize its strenghts.

[Y E O N N E]

Absolute worst IS Champion has to be the Commando. STD 200, worst variant for the chassis...yuck.

[justcallme A S H]

Tarogato, on 15 January 2017 - 04:50 PM, said:

Wow those builds are bad.

That is how you encourage people to be bad at the game. Right there.

Could not agree more.

That Mauler is just LOL... 24% heat in a brawler and 13DHS... Like a new player is going to be able to run that effectively. There is no way logically anyone would be able to run that properly. Not even I would bother and I LOVE hot builds (that can actually dissipate heat).

[Lupis Volk]

Bombast, on 15 January 2017 - 06:37 PM, said:

Wow. This thread is really bringing out the best in people.

And also the absolute worst.

Hurray for community building?

Welcome to any community, how may i take your dismay?

[Lily from animove]

make them noob builds and these noobs ruin FW.
Make them noob builds (lrm's and ams) and noobs will equip their firts emchs like this and then come t3 qand get rekt as well as keep ruining FW.

A much better solution would be different trials of each chassis named beginner, advanced and high skill builds. Thatw ay noobs cna use the beginner versiosn for lrm fun, and if they relaise (like in first FW matches) that they fail to work they can choose better ones and can try to lern using them.

[Vxheous]

Honestly Dee Eight's builds look like the mechs pugs run in FW that get farmed mercilessly.

[justcallme A S H]

LOL.

[Dee Eight]

Because she said (and this is because I PM'ed to ask her to clarify the issue as folks kept putting spirit bear builds forward)...

Tina Benoit, on 16 January 2017 - 11:17 AM, said:

Note: You cannot use Heroes for these Champion Builds.
Exclusive 2016 Loyalty Mechs and Omnipods are are okay however.

Just added to the Hellbringer champion builds thread...

Tina - HBR-F(C)

The torso armor's more front loaded than I myself would typically run, 21DHS, TC3, only 2 ERPPCs (two fire groups, left torso and right torso...your hand becomes the chain fire option), ECM, AMS w/2 tons (because teams group up around the guy with the AMS/ECM, your ammo goes away quickly as they draw fire), skinny little empty arms with the lower actuators installed for the unlocked torso twisters.

Edited by Dee Eight, 16 January 2017 - 11:57 AM.

[Vxheous]

Dee Eight, on 16 January 2017 - 11:54 AM, said:

Because she said (and this is because I PM'ed to ask her to clarify the issue as folks kept putting spirit bear builds forward)...



Just added to the Hellbringer champion builds thread...

Tina - HBR-F(C)

The torso armor's more front loaded than I myself would typically run, 21DHS, TC3, only 2 ERPPCs (two fire groups, left torso and right torso...your hand becomes the chain fire option), ECM, AMS w/2 tons (because teams group up around the guy with the AMS/ECM, your ammo goes away quickly as they draw fire), skinny little empty arms with the lower actuators installed for the unlocked torso twisters.

This one I can actually support with minor tweaks. This has been addressed by many others but you are better off without the ams and using that weight for more heatsinks (especially since you have ecm). Think of that hellbringer as a camoflauged sniper, and now you have ams coming from him giving away his location (bad). I would also just go with a TC 1 and cram more heat sinks (the hellbringer does not have any heat gen quirks whatsoever and even two ERPPC get really hot really fast)

Edited by Vxheous Kerensky, 16 January 2017 - 02:45 PM.

[Deathlike]

Dee Eight, on 15 January 2017 - 05:18 PM, said:

Its more a case of you refuse to accept any other player's opinions because of preset notions you have. Those of us who don't follow those notions are potatoes or terribads or whatever derogatory term you wish to use. Thus its pointless attempting to discuss actual facts of the game with you. .

Having rethought my response to this, I would say you should heed what you're just saying, as that is the definition of irony.

[50 50]

Deathlike, on 15 January 2017 - 03:47 PM, said:

You have to learn to play vs LRMs. Being afraid of them is usually the key to failing. The counter is to actually push aggressively against them (most LRM builds aren't very mobile and are usually vulnerable) while using terrain.

In a team game, the group that identifies and reacts to them quickly and efficiently usually wins.

You know.... I've just tried to reply to this 3 times but can't put all the different points together easily or quickly enough so I'm just going to say: "that is one option"

[Mole]

This thread reminds me of when the stock Nova Prime was a trial 'mech for a while. You'd see people constantly dropping in with their trial Nova, they would alpha strike their 12 ER Medium Lasers at spawn, and then the mega ghost heat would INSTANTLY blow them up, they'd say something like "**** this mech" and then disconnect. It was so effing funny.

Edited by Mole, 24 January 2017 - 09:07 AM.