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[Sjorpha]

I would make the gate generators in invasion vulnerable to friendly fire, so we wouldn't have to wait for the pugs to open them before pushing to their spawn.

[Mystere]

Sjorpha, on 20 January 2017 - 04:40 AM, said:

I would make the gate generators in invasion vulnerable to friendly fire, so we wouldn't have to wait for the pugs to open them before pushing to their spawn.

Why, when you can just as well have the commander issue an order to do so instead?

[cazidin]

Alright! Time for MY balance changes! Let's hope that Paul never reads them.

Smart:
1.IS and C-ER PPC damage increased to 12. Splash removed from the latter.
2.PPC velocity increased by 400 M/S for each.

3.Machine Gun DPS increased to 1.5
4.Machine Gun CoF reduced by another 35%

5.All Ballistics have triple range and velocity increased.
6.Jump Jet Fixes

Dumb:
1.LRM velocity doubled/NARC velocity doubled and can't be knocked off.
2.Machine Gun Ghost Heat at 4. We can't let the devastating 6 MG Spider return!
3.Reticle Shake duration tripled and happens instantly with JJs.
4.(Optional) C-XL can now randomly explode on ST loss. 40% chance.

[MechaBattler]

First I would change the heat system. Lower heat cap, higher dissipation. Add in negative effects for being above certain amounts of heat, performance, cooldown, possibly even range, but penalties in multiple directions to help discourage super hot builds. You wanna run hot you can do, but you're gonna feel it. Maybe throw in steam in the cockpit, because eff your sight.

I would do away with quirks. BUT return them in the form of skill points that mechs start with, not included in the max skill points. Leave it to the player base to decide what they feel will help a mech most

I would also have a formula for amount of points. Number of low mounted weapons versus high mounted. Total number of hard points. Max Engine, more points if the cap is low for your weight class. JJs, MASC, ECM would reduce points.

I would give IS XLs a death delay. It stays alive for like 8 seconds, unless the CT or other side is destroyed. I would also triple XL Engine HP. Give standard engines triple HP as well to make the most tanky option.

I would change LRMs. I would give them better spread when in line of sight of target, as well as a velocity buff to encourage more direct play with them.

Bring Infotech back. Reduce crit chance to internals when not locked on. Would also give ECM a wider radius again. But only increases time to lock on for allies. Though I'd probably test this quite extensively to see if it's even worth the strain of tracking infotech.

Edited by MechaBattler, 20 January 2017 - 12:25 PM.

[Reno Blade]

coincidence that I posted this just recently:
https://mwomercs.com...g-3060-weapons/

I think it might all be positive, but most replies tend to see all as negative... so it works for this thread?

Reno Blade, on 20 January 2017 - 03:04 AM, said:

As the release of 3060 tech was announced, I re-thought the whole weapon and TTK discussion and came up with the following agenda to achieve the goals.

Are you agreeing with the goals?
Are you agreeing to the means to achieve these goals?
Are all edge-cases covered?


GOALS

A.) Make mechs feels huge and powerful
B.) Increase TTK
C.) Make arm-weapons important
D.) Increase performance of low hardpoint variants vs boats



CHANGES

General changes:

• G-1) Increase all Internal Structure by 100%
  
• G-2) Reduce Torso movement speed values by ~50%
  
• G-3) Add Energy Draw meter (for beam weapons only)
  
• G-4) Reloading is now capped to x weapons per type at a time (more details below)

Energy Weapon specific changes:

• E-1) Reduce Beam weapon cooldowns by ~30-50%
  
• E-2) Increase all beam durations by ~20-50%
  
• E-3) Increase Heavy Laser beam duration to 150% of IS counterpart
  
• E-4) Laser beams flicker and then stop if total Energy is exceeded (~40dmg)
  
• E-5) PPCs (all classes) will gain a 0.5s - 1.0s fire-delay (auto charge)
  
• E-6) Only 2x PPCs can be fired/charged at a time
  
• E-7) PPC Capacitors are used as a separate weapon in the weapon groups to charge the extra 5dmg/5heat and generate permanent 0.5 heat per sec while charged – charge time as PPC cd
  
• E-8) Reloading 1x PPC, 1x LL/LP, 2x ML and 4x SL at a time

Missile Weapon specific changes:

• M-1) All missiles fire in streams
  
• M-2) Reloading up to 20LRM, 20MRM, 12ATM and 12SRM/Streak ammo at a time

Ballistic Weapon specific changes:

• B-1) All ACs fire in streams (LBX excluded)
  
• B-2) UACs gain 1x projectile per volley instead of Double-Tap ability
  
• B-3) Rotary ACs use more projectiles for a volley and increase the ROF over time, but can overheat the weapon
  
• B-4) Only 1x Gauss can be charged at a time
  
• B-5) When charging a Gauss, all energy weapon reloading is paused
  
• B-6) Gauss CD is reduced by 50%, but Charge time and Charge-hold time is doubled
  
• B-7) Reloading 1x Gauss, 1x AC20, 1x AC10, 1x AC5 or 2x AC2 at a time

Note:

E-1, M-1 and B-1 will increase TTK even with big alphas, as the damage is much more spread if the shooter is not very skilled.
E-8, M-2 and B-7 will further increase TTK, as boating weapons will have lower DPS from reload limits. Players have the choice between burst (boating) or sustained dps (less hardpoints used).


Weapon example values:

Changes E-1, E-2 and E-3:

Spoiler

SL 1.5s cd, 1.0s beam
ML 2.0s cd, 1.4s beam
LL 2.5s cd, 1.8s beam
ERLL 2.5s cd, 2.0s beam

cerSL 1.5s cd, 1.2s beam
cerML 2.0s cd, 1.6s beam
cerLL 2.5s cd, 2.2s beam

cHSL 2.0s cd, 1.5s beam
cHML 2.5s cd, 2.0s beam
cHLL 3.0s cd, 2.6s beam

SP, 1.0s cd, 0.7s beam
MP 1.5s cd, 1.0s beam
LP 2.0s cd, 1.3s beam

cSP 1.2s cd, 0.9s beam
cMP 1.7s cd, 1.2s beam
cLP 2.2s cd, 1.6s beam

Changes B-1, B-2 and B-3:

Spoiler

AC2 1+1 = 2dmg
AC5 1.66+1.66+1.66 = 5dmg
AC10 2+2+2+2+2 = 10dmg
AC20 4+4+4+4+4 = 20dmg

cUAC2 1+1 +1extra = 3dmg
cUAC5 1.66+1.66+1.66 +1.66extra = 6.66dmg
cUAC10 2+2+2+2+2 +2extra = 12dmg
cUAC20 4+4+4+4+4 +4extra = 24dmg

RAC2 0.5+0.5+0.5+0.5 cd/2
-> 0.5+0.5+0.5+0.5 cd/3
-> 0.5+0.5+0.5+0.5 cd/4
-> 0.5+0.5+0.5+0.5 cd/6
pausing the fire will slow down to standard cd again after 2x CD time

RAC5 1+1+1+1+1 cd/2
-> 1+1+1+1+1 cd/3
-> 1+1+1+1+1 cd/4
-> 1+1+1+1+1 cd/6
pausing the fire will slow down to standard cd again after 2x CD time

Example builds

2x PPC + Heavy-Gauss

Spoiler

star of the fight, all weapons are ready

Charging HGauss for 2s (and holding for up to 2s ) then firing HGauss
Firing 2x PPCs with 1s delay (no manual charging)

HGauss CD starts 3s
1x PPC cd starts, second PPC will charge once the first is ready
HGauss is reloaded while first PPC is still recharging.

Charging HGauss for 2s and holding for 0.5s before releasing. PPC reload is paused in this time, as HGauss consumes all power.

1x PPC finishes recharging, second PPC starts recharging, HGauss ammo is reloading …

1x UAC20, 2x UAC10, 2x UAC5 build

Spoiler

Start of the fight, all weapons are ready

First alpha of stream of bullets will fire (6x 4dmg for UAC20, 12x 2dmg for UAC10s and 8x 1.66dmg for UAC5s) for a total of 61.32 dmg over roughly 0.7 seconds burst duration.

Some bullets miss the target because of long burst, different projectile speeds and target movement. (estimated dmg is about 45dmg)

1x UAC20 is reloading, 1x UAC10 is reloading, second UAC10 is waiting, 1x UAC5 is reloading, second UAC5 is waiting

Next ready weapon is the first UAC5, Player will fire the UAC5 once ready
Second UAC5 is now loading, first UAC5 will start after the second is ready.

Next ready weapon is the first UAC10, second is starting to reload, player fires this UAC10 and then waits for both to be ready and for UAC20 also.
Once all weapons are ready again, player alphas all UACs again.

2x PPC, 2xAC5 with macro

Spoiler

Player uses macro to fire the PPC weapon group 1.0s before the AC5 weapon group to sync the weapon fire

Player is aiming at the target and fires all weapons with the macro.
1.0 sec later, the PPC auto-charge delay will fire the PPCs and the Macro will trigger the AC5s (with 2x 3 projectiles of 1.66dmg each).

Because of the delay, the target twisted the damage to the shield arm and some AC5 projectiles missed the moving target completely.

First PPC is recharging, second PPC is waiting. First AC5 is reloading, second AC5 is waiting
Player waits for the additional cooldown time for the second of AC5 and fires the AC5s without the PPCs and without the Macro to score a quick 10 damage volley. (first AC5 is starting to reload again)

Once both PPCs are ready, the Player will fire both again after the 1.0s delay and hit the target while keeping the aim steady over the targets torso.

6x cERLL, 6x cERML, 6x cHSL

Spoiler

All weapons are ready

Player fires all cERLL at a target far away to score some good initial damage.
The cERLL start flickering at about 3/4^th of the beam and then stop working as the total Energy is exceeded (about ~40 damage).

The first cERLL is reloading the other 3 are waiting

The player fires all 6x cERML at the target and the player doesn’t notice any flickering, as the lasers do about 42 damage and the energy is barely enough.

Two of the 6 cERML are reloading the other 4 are waiting.

The first cERLL is ready again, but the player is waiting for another 2.5s for the second cERLL to reload, so he can fire two of them together with 2 of the reloaded cERML for about 36dmg without any problem.

As the heat is now rising very high, the player decideds to cool off and recharge all the lasers while in cover.

Once he’s ready, He will now switch to a 3x cERLL group, then a 3x cERML group and then the second groups to be able to fire in succession for full effect.

1x LRM20, 2x LRM15, 2xLRM10, 2xLRM5 build

Spoiler

All weapons are ready

The player gets a missile lock on a target and fires all LRM launchers together (70 missiles)

As the missiles fly in streams, the target is able to spread some damage and even evade some missiled, so he will get hit by about 50 damage spread over the whole mech.

First LRM20 is reloading while both LRM15s, both LRM10s and both LRM5s are waiting

Then first LRM15 and first LRM5 is reloading, then the second set.
Then LRM10s are reloading together.

4x SRM6, 2x MRM30 build

Spoiler

The player decides to alpha for a full volley of devastating 111.6 (51.6 for SRM and 60 for MRMs) damage.

As all missiles are fired in streams, only 70% of the SRMs and only half of the MRMs hit the target for about (36.12 for SRM and 30 for MRM) 66.12 dmg spread over the mech.

First two SRM6 launchers start reloading, other two are waiting.

First MRM30 is reloading the first 20 missiles, the other 10 will increase the reload time by additional 50%.

Player1: 1xERLL, 2x ML build vs Player2: 2x ERLL, 4x ML build vs Player3: 3x ERLL, 6xML build

Spoiler

Player 1 can can reload all 3 lasers without waiting time and can use both ML every 3.4s (2.0s cd, 1.4s beam) and the ERLL every 4.5s (2.5s cd, 2.0s beam)

Player 2 will have to wait for the second ERLL and second pair of ML for additional cd time (2.0s for ML and 2.5s for ERLL) but as the beam duration is quite close to the cd time, Player2 can fire 2 ML every 2.0 seconds and one ERLL every 2.5 seconds.

Player3 will have to wait for the second Laser and also for the third ERLL and ML pair.
But as the second ERLL/2xML are coming off cd faster than the third will start, the advantage of a 3^rd ERLL and 5^th/6^th ML is only in burst fire of initial Alpha or when able to pause the combat to fully reload.

The advantage of Player 2 vs Player1 is not 100% more weapons fired (double), but “only” 70% more.

The advantage of Player 3 vs Player2 is 0% in sustained brawl and only shows when able to cool down in between volleys (peek and hide).

This provides a boost for Goal D.) increased performance for low hardpoint variants vs boats.

But here is some stupid added:
Increase PPC projectile size by 300%
PPC velocity down to 100m/s
= BFG ball of death

Increase LRMs fired per volley x10
Increase LRM spread to random changing value (like original swirling paths)
LRM velocity down to 100m/s
= Hornet volleys from Macross


NARC velocity down to 10m/s
NARC can knock down targets
= Bowling ball

Edited by Reno Blade, 22 January 2017 - 01:21 AM.