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[Yogge Mothi]

So I'm looking at the Supernova coming out this month and I see 4 variants are strictly energy boats. As a 90-tonner limited to a 325XL engine, how are these variants going to compete with the laser vomit KDK-1? The Kodiak's faster, more maneuverable, tankier, and cooler than the Supernova. If the hit boxes are better on the Supernova that'd be one thing it has going for it, but the concept art makes it look like all parts of it are going to be pretty easy to isolate. I'd say they might quirk it, but quirks are going away so that won't work. Any insight on this mech from its fans? I'm just not seeing the appeal.

Also, the SNV-C with 2LPL, 6MPL, TC1, and 30DHS seems the way to go for the laser vomit variants.

Edited by Yogge Mothi, 04 February 2017 - 09:02 AM.

[Brandiment]

Heres the thing, you are moving a 90 ton mech, I don't expect it to be fast. The Supernova was basically a replacement for the King Crab. You are trying to compare a mech that was built in 2846 and used as a second line battle mech to the Kodiak mech built in 3001 that was built as a front line mech. The Supernova was built because the clans were running out of spare King Crab parts and were short on AC ammo so it was built out of necessity. Im just happy they are adding variants with things other than lasers. Its not suppose to do better than the Kodiak, It is suppose to be the the Clans version of the King Crab.

[dabeda]

we have yet to see the size comparison but im pretty certain it will be rather flat, like the kingcrab, compare that to the footprint of the kodiak (which is 10 tons heavier but im just going to ignore that right now) it will be harder to hit over some hills and obstacles

[hordes1ayer2]

I see it as a eh mech. if you arent careful a light will tear you a new one from behind but the laser vomit could be good. it is like what they said second line assault.

[NRP]

The problem is that KDK-1 build linked in the OP, while it's probably the best energy build on paper, in practice it's simply too hot to be viable, even with 31 DHS. I'm afraid most Supernovas will also be too hot.

[Yogge Mothi]

NRP, on 04 February 2017 - 03:45 PM, said:

The problem is that KDK-1 build linked in the OP, while it's probably the best energy build on paper, in practice it's simply too hot to be viable, even with 31 DHS. I'm afraid most Supernovas will also be too hot.

I can tell you first hand 31 DHS is plenty for that build. Elited, you can alpha twice and follow up w another LPL volley. That's enough damage to core out an Atlas. It's a devastating mid-range build whose only weakness is sustained brawling situations. That's what you can probably expect from the Supernova, only not quite as effective.

Edited by Yogge Mothi, 04 February 2017 - 04:57 PM.

[The6thMessenger]

... Clans used King Crabs?

[NRP]

Yogge Mothi, on 04 February 2017 - 04:54 PM, said:

I can tell you first hand 31 DHS is plenty for that build. Elited, you can alpha twice and follow up w another LPL volley. That's enough damage to core out an Atlas. It's a devastating mid-range build whose only weakness is sustained brawling situations. That's what you can probably expect from the Supernova, only not quite as effective.

I run that same build on my KDK-5. It works great, until you get rushed. Then you'll overheat and die.

[Brandiment]

The6thMessenger, on 04 February 2017 - 05:25 PM, said:

... Clans used King Crabs?

Yes, when the clans first separated they took with them a number of king crabs and Atlas IIs. And used them for a long time till they came up with the omnimechs.

[Kuaron]

This kind of pure laservom works pretty well on MAD-IIC (prime), which is pretty much the same as the Supernova.
Yes, you cannot use your full DPS for long, you have to carefully place your full volleys, ideally after viewing the enemy paper doll, but if you do it hurts badly!

Concerning the balancing of Supernova against Kodiak:
Yes.
It may be a worse second line Mech in lore, but for the game PGI is supposed to make both equally fun and effective to play. If nothing else, by quirks.

[Brandiment]

Kuaron, on 05 February 2017 - 11:44 PM, said:

Concerning the balancing of Supernova against Kodiak:
Yes.
It may be a worse second line Mech in lore, but for the game PGI is supposed to make both equally fun and effective to play. If nothing else, by quirks.

Second line mechs were not bad at all, They were easy to fix,easy to produce,easy to maitain,
and had more staying power than front line mechs. The Supernova was still one of the most feared second line mech by the IS. Look the Orion, the oldest mech in game and it is still relevant, infact its a poor mans atlas. Just look at the Supernova as the clans poor mans King Crab.

[TercieI]

Why does nobody use HGNs? Too slow for the current meta. The SNV will be the same top speed.

[Omniseed]

Yogge Mothi, on 04 February 2017 - 09:00 AM, said:

So I'm looking at the Supernova coming out this month and I see 4 variants are strictly energy boats. As a 90-tonner limited to a 325XL engine, how are these variants going to compete with the laser vomit KDK-1? The Kodiak's faster, more maneuverable, tankier, and cooler than the Supernova. If the hit boxes are better on the Supernova that'd be one thing it has going for it, but the concept art makes it look like all parts of it are going to be pretty easy to isolate. I'd say they might quirk it, but quirks are going away so that won't work. Any insight on this mech from its fans? I'm just not seeing the appeal.

Also, the SNV-C with 2LPL, 6MPL, TC1, and 30DHS seems the way to go for the laser vomit variants.

I hope I catch that Kodiak in the wild with one of my Gauss builds, I need more headshot kills

[Kuaron]

Brandiment, on 06 February 2017 - 07:03 AM, said:

Second line mechs were not bad at all, They were easy to fix,easy to produce,easy to maitain,
and had more staying power than front line mechs. The Supernova was still one of the most feared second line mech by the IS. Look the Orion, the oldest mech in game and it is still relevant, infact its a poor mans atlas. Just look at the Supernova as the clans poor mans King Crab.

First meet a thesis and then start arguing.
First you say it was far older than the KDK and that’s why worse in lore, then you talk about it not being bad at all. …
It doesn’t matter, really, for what I said, but still.

[Brandiment]

No where did I say that the Supernova was a bad mech, I said it was worse than the Kodiak because it was a second line mech and a REPLACEMET FOR THE KING CRAB, but AS A SECOND LINE MECH IT IS NOT A BAD MECH. Second line mechs were better for staying power than first line mechs. This means that in a PROLONGED ENGAGEMENT you would want to have more second line mechs because they are easy to fix and get back in the fight compared to a first line mech that is more along the lines of a shock troop and can take withering hits and deal out lots of damage in a short time but can not say out in the field long enough due to higher maintenance requirements. But that is all for the sake of fluff, In game the Supernova is just gonna be a poor mans King Crab, and I'm ok with that.

[Gas Guzzler]

Brandiment, on 04 February 2017 - 10:09 AM, said:

Heres the thing, you are moving a 90 ton mech, I don't expect it to be fast. The Supernova was basically a replacement for the King Crab. You are trying to compare a mech that was built in 2846 and used as a second line battle mech to the Kodiak mech built in 3001 that was built as a front line mech. The Supernova was built because the clans were running out of spare King Crab parts and were short on AC ammo so it was built out of necessity. Im just happy they are adding variants with things other than lasers. Its not suppose to do better than the Kodiak, It is suppose to be the the Clans version of the King Crab.

Heres the thing, all mechs should be balanced, so it should be balanced with the Kodiak, in that it should have some benefit over the Kodiak in some role.

Here's another thing. The Kodiak is a 100 tonner and it moves faster than the Supernova with max engine, so I'm not sure how it being a 90-tonner has any bearing on how fast it can go compared to other heavier mechs, like the Kodiak/Banshee/Cyclops/Executioner which are all 90 tons or heavier and are faster.

Brandiment, on 06 February 2017 - 09:07 AM, said:

No where did I say that the Supernova was a bad mech, I said it was worse than the Kodiak because it was a second line mech and a REPLACEMET FOR THE KING CRAB, but AS A SECOND LINE MECH IT IS NOT A BAD MECH. Second line mechs were better for staying power than first line mechs. This means that in a PROLONGED ENGAGEMENT you would want to have more second line mechs because they are easy to fix and get back in the fight compared to a first line mech that is more along the lines of a shock troop and can take withering hits and deal out lots of damage in a short time but can not say out in the field long enough due to higher maintenance requirements. But that is all for the sake of fluff, In game the Supernova is just gonna be a poor mans King Crab, and I'm ok with that.

So you are okay with mechs not being balanced? TBH, it will be better than a King Crab but that isn't saying much.

Yogge Mothi, on 04 February 2017 - 09:00 AM, said:

So I'm looking at the Supernova coming out this month and I see 4 variants are strictly energy boats. As a 90-tonner limited to a 325XL engine, how are these variants going to compete with the laser vomit KDK-1? The Kodiak's faster, more maneuverable, tankier, and cooler than the Supernova. If the hit boxes are better on the Supernova that'd be one thing it has going for it, but the concept art makes it look like all parts of it are going to be pretty easy to isolate. I'd say they might quirk it, but quirks are going away so that won't work. Any insight on this mech from its fans? I'm just not seeing the appeal.

Also, the SNV-C with 2LPL, 6MPL, TC1, and 30DHS seems the way to go for the laser vomit variants.

Can you fit that many DHS slot wise? I thought you ran out of slots but I could be wrong. But yeah, that build is an option. Could also do a 4 ER PPC build well on the -C.

The Boiler can do XL 325, 2 Gauss, 2 ER PPC, 16 DHS, 2 JJs, which is cool.

[TercieI]

Gas Guzzler, on 06 February 2017 - 09:34 AM, said:

The Boiler can do XL 325, 2 Gauss, 2 ER PPC, 16 DHS, 2 JJs, which is cool.

I cancelled my PO because the hero was literally the only one I wanted to drive. I'll buy it on sale eventually.

[Gas Guzzler]

TercieI, on 06 February 2017 - 09:40 AM, said:

I cancelled my PO because the hero was literally the only one I wanted to drive. I'll buy it on sale eventually.

You mean you aren't excited for the LRM 80 variant??!?!?!

Yeah, I'm looking forward to the C too tbh, hoping the shoulder hardpoints are decent.

[Brandiment]

If there is a will there is a way. I will find out some way to turn the SNV into the best LRM boat out there. Judging by her load out and her purpose, it will seem like a wonderful long range mech or if kitted out proper a good slap fighter. She only carries 14.5 tons of armor on a standard frame compared to the king crabs 16, so I would not advise getting too close to the fight. It looks more like a long range support mech that can mountain goat, in other words a Highlander IIC with one or two more weapon points.

[Gas Guzzler]

Brandiment, on 06 February 2017 - 10:12 AM, said:

If there is a will there is a way. I will find out some way to turn the SNV into the best LRM boat out there.

Well at least you are setting the bar low.