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[Yiryi-Sa]

As a future social worker (chasing after a Masters in Social Work), online harassment is becoming a lightning rod for serious need & intervention. However, social workers alone can not do the job alone; it will require an awareness of all people using the internet to harness the support for collective change.

So, I want to pitch to the MWO community to stand with celebrities, activists, counselors and social workers to end online harassment. Here is an inspirational video from Ashley Judd:

https://www.ted.com/..._out_of_control

I'll post one other video in case the Ashley Judd video isn't appealing:

https://www.ted.com/..._out_of_control

[Kalimaster]

There are several ways of dealing with people who harrass you online.

If they are here on MWO, send it to the mods. If that does not work, send it to the devs.

If this is not happening here on MWO, and you know the persons email address who is harrassing you. Send them an email bomb.

[Yiryi-Sa]

Probably Not, on 20 January 2017 - 04:32 PM, said:

https://twitter.com/...670822264307712

:V

EDIT: Also, Ashley Judd is a credulous ninny, as most celebrities tend to be.

Being a celebrity and a fool is not the point of this topic. So, you post ONE twitter photo that represents a person's opinion (and I assume your own). Online harassment isn't a matter of debate, but a matter of crises, trauma and so forth. If you do not think there is online harassment, then there's no need for you to chime in that online harassment doesn't exist.

Kalimaster, on 20 January 2017 - 02:52 PM, said:

There are several ways of dealing with people who harrass you online.

If they are here on MWO, send it to the mods. If that does not work, send it to the devs.

If this is not happening here on MWO, and you know the persons email address who is harrassing you. Send them an email bomb.

Indeed there are. However, I wanted to extend this information to this online community for awareness (not awareness in MWO). I play the game, and felt sharing with the community.

[Yiryi-Sa]

Probably Not, on 20 January 2017 - 05:07 PM, said:

...that I think it's literally a nonissue 95% (if not more) of the time.

If you experience actual TRAUMA from a mean tweet, it's probably best if you just get off the internet in its entirety.

It is not a non-issue 95% of the time. It is definitely an out-of-control issue that many agencies are attempting to deal with (local law enforcement, counseling centers, etc.). "Getting off the internet" is a misnomer; many of the traumatic issues leak into actual daily life. I understand you come from a place of great rationality and definitive emotional boundaries; however, not all victims of trauma have that. Also, not all victims of online harassment simply experience one event of harassment and leave; the trauma is continuous.

[Yiryi-Sa]

Everything you have described is what you, personally, would do or illustrated your world view. This is a problem, because not everyone is you. The internet is experienced differently and, more often than not, more traumatic than any one person may realize.

Edited by Yiryi-Sa, 20 January 2017 - 06:31 PM.

[Yiryi-Sa]

Probably Not, on 20 January 2017 - 06:39 PM, said:

You know what's sad? The fact that I'm the one who has to tell these people to develop a stiff upper lip. That's the real tragedy. Not the mean tweets and crap they get. The fact that a bisexual marshmallow of a guy who got bullied most of his life, and has more diagnosed mental health issues than friends on Facebook, is telling these people to, quite frankly, toughen the hell up - that's what the world has come to.

But so be it.

These people don't need a safer internet. They need a pacifier and a bib. If they're suffering trauma from mean words on the internet, they're doing LIFE wrong.

Your masculinity and ability to shame needs examination by a counselor; "toughen up" isn't the answer. It doesn't actually solve people being harmful. As Ashley Judd states, untreated trauma is transferred trauma.

Edited by Yiryi-Sa, 20 January 2017 - 06:43 PM.

[Yiryi-Sa]

What you learned isn't applicable to all people. Being tough doesn't subside the bullying. That is a temporary solution.

Being a John Wayne may have helped you, but shaming people to toughen up turns you into a bully of sorts. You can not bring everyone to your coping mechanisms. However, the crisis is real regardless of your coping mechanism. Being tough only tends to make the hurt imaginative. That is never a long term solution.

[Yiryi-Sa]

Probably Not, on 20 January 2017 - 07:05 PM, said:

Look at it this way

No. The best mode and method of combatting any form of violence or malice is to find ways to intervene on the source and prevent it from happening.

[Yiryi-Sa]

Yes, we can prevent it. It will take a lot of arduous commitment. A world view that sees the world as malicious will only ever promote the very thing it opposes and accepts.

[Yiryi-Sa]

It isn't control. It never will be control. I never said we social workers, counselors, etc., are going to control anything. We are seeking to intervene and prevent what we can.

[Yiryi-Sa]

It is not an epithet. Prevention and intervention are far beyond the paleness of the term control. I need to stress I don't care about your righteous behavior of giving up on, well, people. There's no peace of mind to be gained from such a world view. Helping people, in the realm of social work, is not an absolute term. We'll fail or fall short often. So, in no way am I proposing anything foolish or "blindly" optimistic. There is a crisis, and we all need to be aware of it.

I suggest you realize you are projecting your world view rather than offering insight or problem solving, and adopt a better approach to discussing proposals or else you'll keep talking right past me. Your words are weightless and serve as a reminder of the work I am undertaking.

[Yiryi-Sa]

And I'm supposed to care what you think, despite your absolute belief in your malice driven world view?

[Fake News]

when online harassment is finished being pandered by the ilk of anita sarkessian id be a lot more interested in finding a **** to give.

[XxXAbsolutZeroXxX]

One thing about anti harassment campaigns is some of them attack freedom of speech and promote censorship and totalitarianism as legitimate means of ending harassment.

I don't agree with that approach. Censoring people and depriving them of rights is not the way to end harassment.

[Lily from animove]

Yiryi-Sa, on 20 January 2017 - 04:59 PM, said:

Being a celebrity and a fool is not the point of this topic. So, you post ONE twitter photo that represents a person's opinion (and I assume your own). Online harassment isn't a matter of debate, but a matter of crises, trauma and so forth. If you do not think there is online harassment, then there's no need for you to chime in that online harassment doesn't exist.


Indeed there are. However, I wanted to extend this information to this online community for awareness (not awareness in MWO). I play the game, and felt sharing with the community.

but you want people to stand together with these people. But in my opinion beeing fool is the biggest issue on our world, would we have less of them a lot bad things wouldn't happen. Most celebs are just about PR and stuff, and thats why they do these things. There aren't many truly caring.

you should care more about proper education and teaching btter ideals to people, that would not only solve harassement it would solve a load of other problems too. Fight the cause, not the symptoms

[Yiryi-Sa]

Curbing online harassment isn't curbing freedom of speech. Freedom of speech isn't a given right to harass someone; freedom of speech is a bonding mechanism between a citizen and his/her/their government.

Ashley Judd is a celebrity, but no fool. She's been abused many times in her life and is finding ways to help others survive and fight back. She is part of a movement to undo the damage.

Lily from animove, on 21 January 2017 - 03:47 AM, said:

but you want people to stand together with these people. But in my opinion beeing fool is the biggest issue on our world, would we have less of them a lot bad things wouldn't happen. Most celebs are just about PR and stuff, and thats why they do these things. There aren't many truly caring.

you should care more about proper education and teaching btter ideals to people, that would not only solve harassement it would solve a load of other problems too. Fight the cause, not the symptoms

That is absolutely part of being aware of a problem; it is allowing other people's experiences to teach us what their experiences mean (note: I've been typing the word "prevention" as a way of saying/stating the need for better education).

[B0oN]

If people have a problem with a harassment online, then they maybe should get out of those asocial networks theyre in and get back to proper social contacts ... like having an actual chat with people ( I know, soooooooooo analog ...) .

Anonymity = asociality
look at your Facebook/WhatsApp/whateverthatshitiscalled

Other than that : Jurisdiction on these so-called "social networks" are way too full of loopholes, grey areas and word traps .
Prosecute harassers harshly and directly, the "social networks" have their true name and should be acting according to the responsibility they have, not according to the jurisdictional framework they have bought for their enterprise .

[Yiryi-Sa]

I want everyone to be aware that I am here to reach out and speak to those who may need a leverage of support. Debating me, while your own volition, will not reach to me. I am not posting to debate; I am posting to affirm a real problem that affects real people.

[XxXAbsolutZeroXxX]

Yiryi-Sa, on 21 January 2017 - 04:20 AM, said:

Curbing online harassment isn't curbing freedom of speech.

Measures on the table to address online harassment are typically things such as.

-Illegalize racist, sexist, hate speech
-Illegalize ignorant, unofficial, unendorsed points of view
-Illegalize anonymous blogs and make it mandatory for peoples full names to be attached to everything they post online

Some of those measures do have an unfortunate side effect of diminishing freedom of speech.

Especially when the left labels anyone who doesn't subscribe to their perspective as being racist, etc.

Yiryi-Sa, on 21 January 2017 - 10:30 AM, said:

I want everyone to be aware that I am here to reach out and speak to those who may need a leverage of support. Debating me, while your own volition, will not reach to me. I am not posting to debate; I am posting to affirm a real problem that affects real people.

I'm not certain if online harassment ranks in the top #100 issues facing humanity in the year 2017.

In the past I have been in online communities or forums where a lot of people didn't like me who tried to harass me.

The way I see it, those demographics who harass people and send death threats over the internet are like mud hut dwelling primitives who struggle to light a fire rubbing two sticks together. They tend to be closed minded, egotistical enough to fool themselves into believeing anything with a different perspective is inferior to themselves and are deathly afraid of having to think about circumstances. Hence they resort to various prejudices and oversimplified generalizations to escape having to deal with things like facts or details.

Once you understand where they're coming from, maybe its easier to feel sorry for them rather than be upset by their behavior.

Edited by I Zeratul I, 21 January 2017 - 01:27 PM.

[Yiryi-Sa]

Of course online harassment isn't the top concern. However, the affects of online harassment are real. Freedom of speech (and the pursuit of happiness by extension and the freedom of assembly) can be curtailed by online and offline harassment. Traffic laws curtailed dangerous driving behaviors; the liberty to drive came under threat of danger and disorganization. Ethical guidelines can continue the liberty to express without the liberty itself being abused; obviously, writing the guidelines and implementing them will need to be done with excruciating caution.

Many democratic societies have already moved past the debate. It is a necessary freedom, but not as paramount as it may have been and no longer absolute.

Edited by Yiryi-Sa, 21 January 2017 - 01:57 PM.