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[banana peel]

Yesterday i played around 15 matches in the new mech and in ~5 of them experienced some weird rear torso deaths. At first i thought i was delusional, but then this happened:
I was lurmed from the platform on Crimson from afar and noticed CT opened from the rear and turning red. Finding cover, i turned to see if anyone was behind - no one there. Lurms kept coming, and the second i turned to face the platform again CT was destroyed from the rear in the exact moment the lurm volley hit me from the front.

Has anyone get the same problem, or i just caught an abnormal series of hitreg glitches/lucky enemy shots?

[Snowbluff]

Well the mech is so long that the back of of the top might count as rear torso. So if you get hit from the top, some LRMs will hit the back.

[Metus regem]

banana peel, on 25 January 2017 - 07:30 AM, said:

Yesterday i played around 15 matches in the new mech and in ~5 of them experienced some weird rear torso deaths. At first i thought i was delusional, but then this happened:
I was lurmed from the platform on Crimson from afar and noticed CT opened from the rear and turning red. Finding cover, i turned to see if anyone was behind - no one there. Lurms kept coming, and the second i turned to face the platform again CT was destroyed from the rear in the exact moment the lurm volley hit me from the front.

Has anyone get the same problem, or i just caught an abnormal series of hitreg glitches/lucky enemy shots?

I put in 10 matches, and only had my rear armour opened up twice, even on PoLRM Highlands (only one match played on that map last night), the only times my back armour was opened up, was either due to not so friendly fire, or me turning and booking it from a Kodiak. In neither case was I killed due to twisting to roll damage as much as I could, thankfully due to her length it seemed easy to roll damage to the front ST armour from back attacks.

[banana peel]

Snowbluff, on 25 January 2017 - 07:37 AM, said:

Well the mech is so long that the back of of the top might count as rear torso. So if you get hit from the top, some LRMs will hit the back.

It was not straight from the top. Almost stardard lrm arc from around 700 meters. Anyway doesnt seem right. I dont want to equip every wacker with AMS.
Also got couple of rear ST deaths by shots from the side that on any other mech would register as front ST.

[vettie]

can confirm this.
doesnt have to be LRMs.
face to face with another bushy, just me and him. 2 shots to my ct, from medium lasers and my rear torso blows out.

a different match and i turn around a building face to face with mad2c and 2 shots to my ct, boom back torso blows.

several more times, but could not confirm that there were only one enemy shooting. the 2 above, only 1 mech shooting me.
bsw-s2. 10 matches, 2 deaths to side torso, 6 to rear torso.....

[0bsidion]

I have to admit I suspected something like this. It seemed like I've been dying way faster than I should be. I don't expect to be able to tank the entire enemy team but even in small engagements I've been dying in a matter of seconds. Something definitely seems off to me.

[Garfuncle]

Haven't had this issue and I frontload my armor.

[Snazzy Dragon]

I had a match in my dirty hero Scorch with dual gauss dual peeps where I hit a bushie from the front but it destroyed their rear armor and killed them from behind. The paperdoll was still showing they had front armor after they died and the kill report said that I was indeed the one that killed them.

[Hawk819]

She's a beaut in my opinion, but damn she's in need of help when it comes the CT hitbox.

[MacClearly]

I am having trouble with only one variant the X2 where my right torso is blowing up with little or no damage. Have been one shotted about four time from the front but only on the X2 so far... Might be me but am going to start recording to see if I can see what is going on.

[Snazzy Dragon]

MacClearly, on 26 January 2017 - 04:12 PM, said:

I am having trouble with only one variant the X2 where my right torso is blowing up with little or no damage. Have been one shotted about four time from the front but only on the X2 so far... Might be me but am going to start recording to see if I can see what is going on.

I have a sneaking suspicion that the dynamic weapon geometry is what is causing the rear torso problems

[Y E O N N E]

Snazzy Dragon, on 26 January 2017 - 04:37 PM, said:

I have a sneaking suspicion that the dynamic weapon geometry is what is causing the rear torso problems

I blame the doofy taill tail.

[Snazzy Dragon]

Yeonne Greene, on 26 January 2017 - 04:38 PM, said:

I blame the doofy taill tail.

Yeah but I think the dynamic geometry on the tail is what is causing it

[Jackal Noble]

Hawk819, on 25 January 2017 - 08:31 PM, said:

She's a beaut in my opinion, but damn she's in need of help when it comes the CT hitbox.

Ebon Jaguar wants to see you in its office.

[Cabusha]

banana peel, on 25 January 2017 - 08:12 AM, said:

It was not straight from the top. Almost stardard lrm arc from around 700 meters. Anyway doesnt seem right. I dont want to equip every wacker with AMS.
Also got couple of rear ST deaths by shots from the side that on any other mech would register as front ST.

Complains about LRMs killing him. Doesn't want to equip AMS.

[Y E O N N E]

That's because AMS can't stop LRMs.

[Cabusha]

Yeonne Greene, on 26 January 2017 - 05:20 PM, said:

That's because AMS can't stop LRMs.

No, it's because players doesn't want to deal with LRMs at all. The majority of LRM usage other there is LRM5 spam, which an AMS is more than capable of handling. But the player base doesn't want to use anything that detracts from their meta builds. EG put that ton into another heatsink or ammo. It's lazy player behavior, and as is typical, they ask for it to be "fixed".

[nehebkau]

So Who is going to take the bushwacker into a match and let someone map out it's hitboxes?

[MacClearly]

Snazzy Dragon, on 26 January 2017 - 04:37 PM, said:

I have a sneaking suspicion that the dynamic weapon geometry is what is causing the rear torso problems

Not been around long enough I suppose as I have seen nothing like it before. Just the one variant I got one shot five times in a row and gave up. P1 and P2 not happening since.

[Y E O N N E]

Cabusha, on 26 January 2017 - 06:13 PM, said:

No, it's because players doesn't want to deal with LRMs at all. The majority of LRM usage other there is LRM5 spam, which an AMS is more than capable of handling. But the player base doesn't want to use anything that detracts from their meta builds. EG put that ton into another heatsink or ammo. It's lazy player behavior, and as is typical, they ask for it to be "fixed".

AMS cannot handle multiple LRM5 fired at once, let alone LRMs coming from multiple 'Mechs. LRMs are certainly terrible and counterable, but AMS is pointless.