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[Oldbob10025]

Been chatting with some great people on my channel and I get mixed results on what each does in game and not in lore for MechWarrior Online?


Ferro-Fibrous: Gives 12% more protection per ton and you lose -14 slots like endo steel it also gives some free tons to be used on your mech but not as much as endo Steel.
Endo Steel: takes -14 slots and give more free tons to be used on your mech.

Everyone says to just take Endo Steel and dont use Ferro as you get more tonnage but what is the 12% more protection per ton in game terms of the Ferro?

If Ferro does nothing in terms of protection then why even have it in the game?

Help me obi-wan kenobi your my only hope...

[Tesunie]

Oldbob10025, on 25 January 2017 - 06:54 PM, said:

Been chatting with some great people on my channel and I get mixed results on what each does in game and not in lore for MechWarrior Online?


Ferro-Fibrous: Gives 12% more protection per ton and you lose -14 slots like endo steel it also gives some free tons to be used on your mech but not as much as endo Steel.
Endo Steel: takes -14 slots and give more free tons to be used on your mech.

Everyone says to just take Endo Steel and dont use Ferro as you get more tonnage but what is the 12% more protection per ton in game terms of the Ferro?

If Ferro does nothing in terms of protection then why even have it in the game?

Help me obi-wan kenobi your my only hope...

FF does increase protection per ton... But you can still have only a set amount of protection.

This confuses a lot of people, but in the end, all that FF does is make it so that (for example) 12 points of armor (random number) will weight 0.8 tons instead of 1 ton. But if 12 was your max, then 12 remains your max protection available.


In comparison, Endo will save you more tonnage for fewer used crit slots.

Consider each as only weight saving technologies. Neither one "added" more, it just makes what you have weigh less.


Edit: I wish to note if I wasn't clear enough, that I was providing a random number example. I know 12 points of armor doesn't weigh a full ton. It was just an example is all.

Edited by Tesunie, 25 January 2017 - 07:41 PM.

[BCAW]

tl;dr:

If you are Clan, you can generally get away with using both Endo and FF for maximum weight savings, because Clan Endo and FF takes only 14 slots combined, and Clan stuff takes less slots.

If you are IS, use Endo whenever possible. But it is generally not advised to use FF on anything heavier than, say, 50 tons. The weight saving from FF is not worth the 14 slots it takes. The fact that IS equipment takes more slots (DHS in particular) doesn't help. Unless you plan to boat a shite ton of medium lasers or something along the line, chances are you'll run out of slots before you run out of tonnage with FF in an IS mech.

Though, most IS lights and mediums up to around 50 tons can afford FF and Endo at the same time, because they won't be packing too much weapons or need too much DHS.

And I suppose you could experiment with IS Endo + FF and run single heatsinks instead or something along that line. Can't imagine it working out though.

Edited by BCAW, 25 January 2017 - 08:08 PM.

[SuperFunkTron]

Tesunie, on 25 January 2017 - 07:40 PM, said:

FF does increase protection per ton... But you can still have only a set amount of protection.

This confuses a lot of people, but in the end, all that FF does is make it so that (for example) 12 points of armor (random number) will weight 0.8 tons instead of 1 ton. But if 12 was your max, then 12 remains your max protection available.


In comparison, Endo will save you more tonnage for fewer used crit slots.

Consider each as only weight saving technologies. Neither one "added" more, it just makes what you have weigh less.


Edit: I wish to note if I wasn't clear enough, that I was providing a random number example. I know 12 points of armor doesn't weigh a full ton. It was just an example is all.

I wish you were there to explain that to the engineers who forgot to save weight on the gargoyle.

[Tesunie]

SuperFunkTron, on 25 January 2017 - 08:08 PM, said:

I wish you were there to explain that to the engineers who forgot to save weight on the gargoyle.

The Gargoyle have only FF? If this is the case, it's because FF is cheaper to make, cheaper to repair and cheaper to maintain.

In this game, Endo is only "vastly superior" because we don't have these "real life" costs to make it a choice between saving money and saving weight.

A lot of mechs in lore use FF over Endo simply because of the expense of Endo. You see this hit a lot of mechs here if left in their stock configurations. And, as Omni mechs have locked components such as Endo or FF, they also have remnant effects from it.

[SuperFunkTron]

Gargoyle does in fact lack Endo. That is the singular exception from the clan side that I think allowing an endo upgrade would be ok, mostly because I was recently reading that a mech with similar speed and the same firepower could be made 5-10 tons lighter, essentially making the engine size unnecessary since it doesn't have endo. But it will remain with its minuscule payload and I will continue to love it for what it is.

Thanks for the explanation as to why Ferro was chosen over endo regularly. I had no idea bout that.

[General Solo]

Almost always you will get moar tons for your slot by going endo first
Always take endo first
Some light maech can take endo and fero

If you have to choose
Choose endo

[SuperFunkTron]

OZHomerOZ, on 26 January 2017 - 05:30 AM, said:

Almost always you will get moar tons for your slot by going endo first
Always take endo first
Some light maech can take endo and fero

If you have to choose
Choose endo

I believe that most IS lights have room/need both (as long as there isn't a need for a large amount of DHS)

Edited by SuperFunkTron, 26 January 2017 - 06:13 AM.