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[Racerxintegra2k]

So i put together a drop deck for faction play consisting of a Misery,Top Dog, Ilya and Oxide. I have premium time active. During a faction play win with roughly 1600 damage and 5 kills, nothing crazy i was awarded something like 1.1 million cbills. The hero mech bonus was only ~100k ? What gives ?

[WolvesX]

Racerxintegra2k, on 27 January 2017 - 11:12 AM, said:

So i put together a drop deck for faction play consisting of a Misery,Top Dog, Ilya and Oxide. I have premium time active. During a faction play win with roughly 1600 damage and 5 kills, nothing crazy i was awarded something like 1.1 million cbills. The hero mech bonus was only ~100k ? What gives ?

I think the "win" reward doesn't stack with the 30% hero bonus.

[Bombast]

Could be wrong, but I think hero mechs only give you a bonus on what you 'do' during a match, and a bunch of C-Bills you get from a Faction Play match are add after that the hero bonus is applied to that. Something like...

(Match Performance+(Match Performance*0.3[Hero Bonus])+(Match Performance*0.5[Premium Bonus]))+Faction Play Stuff

[Racerxintegra2k]

Bombast, on 27 January 2017 - 11:21 AM, said:

Could be wrong, but I think hero mechs only give you a bonus on what you 'do' during a match, and a bunch of C-Bills you get from a Faction Play match are add after that the hero bonus is applied to that. Something like...

(Match Performance+(Match Performance*0.3[Hero Bonus])+(Match Performance*0.5[Premium Bonus]))+Faction Play Stuff

I could be wrong but doesn't the hero mech just say 30% MORE cbills ... seems like a relatively easy calculation when put that way. Seems to me a Hero mech is only increasing my cbill earnings by like 10-11%

[Bombast]

Racerxintegra2k, on 27 January 2017 - 11:31 AM, said:

I could be wrong but doesn't the hero mech just say 30% MORE cbills ... seems like a relatively easy calculation when put that way. Seems to me a Hero mech is only increasing my cbill earnings by like 10-11%

Well, screenshot your result page (All of it, so multiple screenshots) next time and we can do the math, if you like.

For my own part, I'll go do a Jester QP match, and show you how the results pay out. Than you do your FP, and we'll compare them.

[Bombast]

Racerxintegra2k, on 27 January 2017 - 11:31 AM, said:

I could be wrong but doesn't the hero mech just say 30% MORE cbills ... seems like a relatively easy calculation when put that way. Seems to me a Hero mech is only increasing my cbill earnings by like 10-11%

Almost right on the money.

So whatever the problem is, it's specific to FP.

Your turn.

EDIT: Looking at this again, I think I may have missed a few C-Bills somewhere. Close enough though.

Edited by Bombast, 28 January 2017 - 07:22 AM.

[Racerxintegra2k]

Good idea, i'll try and get on tonight and run a faction play to show the results. Unless someone beats me to posting a 4 hero drop deck result.

[Appogee]

One thing you may be interested to know...

I ran an all-Hero FP deck for a time. But I found I could generally earn more by just running the most competitive Mechs instead.

[MrJeffers]

Racerxintegra2k, on 27 January 2017 - 11:12 AM, said:

So i put together a drop deck for faction play consisting of a Misery,Top Dog, Ilya and Oxide. I have premium time active. During a faction play win with roughly 1600 damage and 5 kills, nothing crazy i was awarded something like 1.1 million cbills. The hero mech bonus was only ~100k ? What gives ?

Each Hero only generates a 7.5% bonus in FP (The 30% is divided by 4 possible mechs = 7.5% for each one). So if you didn't play all four mechs you don't get the full 30%. You only get the boost for the number that actually were played in the match. One = 7.5%, two = 15%, etc.

[Racerxintegra2k]

Someone math me up .. i've had to many to drink.

Edited by Racerxintegra2k, 27 January 2017 - 05:53 PM.

[Bombast]

Racerxintegra2k, on 27 January 2017 - 05:45 PM, said:

Someone math me up .. i've had to many to drink.

+1,078,020 (Total)
-104,670 (Mech Bonus)
-174,450 (Premium Bonus)
-450,000 (Contract Bonus)
=348,900 Performance C-Bills

348,900(Performance Total)*0.30(Mech Bonus)=104,670 Mech C-Bills (Matches)
348,900(Performance Total)*0.50(Premium Bonus)=174,450 Premium C-Bills (Matches)

Pretty much exactly as I anticipated - The Bonuses only apply to your match performance C-Bills, not the FP specific Contract Bonus.

Huzzah.

Edited by Bombast, 27 January 2017 - 08:39 PM.

[Deathlike]

MrJeffers, on 27 January 2017 - 02:32 PM, said:

Each Hero only generates a 7.5% bonus in FP (The 30% is divided by 4 possible mechs = 7.5% for each one). So if you didn't play all four mechs you don't get the full 30%. You only get the boost for the number that actually were played in the match. One = 7.5%, two = 15%, etc.

That's not totally accurate.

The mechs must be in your active dropdeck, but they don't have to be used to receive the bonus. It's 7.5% per hero/C-bills bonus mech which is accurate.

[Racerxintegra2k]

Bombast, on 27 January 2017 - 08:38 PM, said:

+1,078,020 (Total)
-104,670 (Mech Bonus)
-174,450 (Premium Bonus)
-450,000 (Contract Bonus)
=348,900 Performance C-Bills

348,900(Performance Total)*0.30(Mech Bonus)=104,670 Mech C-Bills (Matches)
348,900(Performance Total)*0.50(Premium Bonus)=174,450 Premium C-Bills (Matches)

Pretty much exactly as I anticipated - The Bonuses only apply to your match performance C-Bills, not the FP specific Contract Bonus.

Huzzah.

Thank You Sir ! ... So without hero mechs and premium time that 1,078,020 cbills would have only been 798,900 cbills so like 26ish% bump on total earnings.

To be honest the wording of 30% more cbills for hero mechs and 50% more for premium time is completely misleading. When your new and actually trying to earn more cbills you see 30 and 50 and add them together thinking you'll be earning 80% when in fact the net effect is only 26% more.

Edited by Racerxintegra2k, 28 January 2017 - 04:51 AM.

[Bombast]

Racerxintegra2k, on 28 January 2017 - 04:44 AM, said:

To be honest the wording of 30% more cbills for hero mechs and 50% more for premium time is completely misleading. When your new and actually trying to earn more cbills you see 30 and 50 and add them together thinking you'll be earning 80% when in fact the net effect is only 26% more.

I don't want to White Knight PGI or anything, but I'm with them on this one - It's not misleading. You are getting a 80% (Premium/Hero) bonus on non-bonus C-Bill earnings. That is the video game standard.

The Contract Bonus that isn't getting multiplied, and you feel is cheating you, is called a bonus, and so it would be unreasonable to expect it to get multiplied as well.

[Amsro]

Heh, if the 30% bonus would stack, (it was paid for after all) you would get.

348,900(Performance Total)*1.20(Mech Bonus)=418,680 Mech C-Bills (Matches)

314,010 is the amount of c-bills a 4 hero mech drop deck got shafted out of in this match.

So the true total if every hero gave you a %30 bonus would have been 1,392,030

+1,078,020 (Total)
-104,670 (Mech Bonus)
-174,450 (Premium Bonus)
-450,000 (Contract Bonus)
=348,900 Performance C-Bills

348,900(Performance Total)*1.20(Mech Bonus)=418,680 Mech C-Bills (Matches)
348,900(Performance Total)*0.50(Premium Bonus)=174,450 Premium C-Bills (Matches)

Pretty much exactly as I anticipated - The Bonuses only apply to your match performance C-Bills, not the FP specific Contract Bonus.

MrJeffers, on 27 January 2017 - 02:32 PM, said:

Each Hero only generates a 7.5% bonus in FP (The 30% is divided by 4 possible mechs = 7.5% for each one). So if you didn't play all four mechs you don't get the full 30%. You only get the boost for the number that actually were played in the match. One = 7.5%, two = 15%, etc.

30% Bonus unless you try to stack them, then no. PGI is funny sometimes.

It should pay as advertised, IMO.

Edited by Amsro, 28 January 2017 - 07:29 AM.

[MrJeffers]

Amsro, on 28 January 2017 - 07:28 AM, said:

Heh, if the 30% bonus would stack, (it was paid for after all) you would get.

348,900(Performance Total)*1.20(Mech Bonus)=418,680 Mech C-Bills (Matches)

314,010 is the amount of c-bills a 4 hero mech drop deck got shafted out of in this match.

So the true total if every hero gave you a %30 bonus would have been 1,392,030

+1,078,020 (Total)
-104,670 (Mech Bonus)
-174,450 (Premium Bonus)
-450,000 (Contract Bonus)
=348,900 Performance C-Bills

348,900(Performance Total)*1.20(Mech Bonus)=418,680 Mech C-Bills (Matches)
348,900(Performance Total)*0.50(Premium Bonus)=174,450 Premium C-Bills (Matches)

Pretty much exactly as I anticipated - The Bonuses only apply to your match performance C-Bills, not the FP specific Contract Bonus.



30% Bonus unless you try to stack them, then no. PGI is funny sometimes.

It should pay as advertised, IMO.

The issue is PGI doesn't track the individual contributions of each mech, so the Hero bonus is applied to the entire earnings, not just what was done in that mech. So one mech at 7.5% bonus does get to about at 30% for the individual mech if you play all four mechs.

E.g. 800K match performance used 4 mechs
Mech A (hero) - does X Y Z damage and kills that equal 200,000 Cbills.
Mech B - does X Y Z damage and kills that equal 200,000 Cbills
Mech C - does X Y Z damage and kills that equal 200,000 Cbills
Mech D - does X Y Z damage and kills that equal 200,000 Cbills

Total 800K C-bills * 7.5% equals 60K C-bills. 200K (the individual heroes performance) Times 30% = 60K. The same. It works because the stats are evenly split across all the mechs used.

if they did 30% for one hero it would be
800K * 30% = 240K. Which is 120% of what the hero actually made.
Four heroes would be additive
800K * 120% = 960K bonus, 1,760,000 for the match.


If PGI tracked the individual match performance of each mech they could do individual application of the bonuses, but that's a lot of extra metrics to track for almost no benefit because overall the system they used works out about the same and doesn't require a lot of tracking.

Edited by MrJeffers, 29 January 2017 - 11:29 AM.