33 replies to this topic

[Fake News]

agreed, i am genuinely grateful you brought our concerns to russ, even when he discounted them

[gloowa]

Mech The Dane, on 28 January 2017 - 01:47 AM, said:

Your topic is titled "Round Table Ignoring Clan Loyalists". That sounds a bit different then what you're describing now.

It's the typical attitude in those forums.

[50 50]

I wouldn't think there is much difference between Clan loyalists and IS loyalists.

The one item that was mentioned, briefly, that I believe should be exclusively an option for the Clan was the 'Bidding' idea.
That was to take less tonnage into the battle to receive more prestige.
I would also suggest it could mean taking less mechs.
It fits in with the Clan Bidding from lore, which will no doubt keep a number of players happy.
Just having the option would be a nice addition, it's a step towards adding some more depth to the factions.

[SmokeGuar]

Major issue is PGIs balancing attempts that focus on Clan side. Dec 2015 IS was given major buffs and Clan nerfs, it took PGI 6 months to make corrective measures. During this time lot of Clan loyalists quit game. And now we are seeing the same thing happening again. In order to make mercs to shift side, Clan is nerfed, action that hits loyalist hardest.

Edited by SmokeGuar, 30 January 2017 - 05:08 AM.

[Natural Predator]

Clan loyalist things i would like to see that would take minimal effort for PGI

Decals and Paint schemes for the other clans- I would spend actual MC on this. Nothing like Barbie dolling up your mechs for fun. Would require the art department at PGI to do a bit of research and implementation should be easy. Would also be nice if 2 or 3 of them were factions in the game considering factions really don't matter in faction play anymore.

Voting system to actually work. I cant tell you how many times ghost bear has voted Alshain and it hasn't been top voted.

The aforementioned and apparently going to be presented Lore events like, Battle of Luthein (Smoke jags/Nova cats vs DC/Mercs) similar to Tukyaaid

The aforementioned Bonuses to being loyalist in CBILLS

A cap on how many Merc units can be in a faction at any given time. or maybe just Clans vs IS. Some sort of way to balance out the switching back and forth.

Just my 2 cents.

[Zito]

As I stated before, it was a "square table" to push loyalist agenda. More specifically IS loyalist agenda. Instead of adding a clan loyalist rep, just remove Dane. Anyone who spends so much time responding to a post requesting only representation is clearly a bias party. For ***** sake, the OP only asked for representation.

[Monkey Lover]

SmokeGuar, on 30 January 2017 - 05:07 AM, said:

Major issue is PGIs balancing attempts that focus on Clan side. Dec 2015 IS was given major buffs and Clan nerfs, it took PGI 6 months to make corrective measures. During this time lot of Clan loyalists quit game. And now we are seeing the same thing happening again. In order to make mercs to shift side, Clan is nerfed, action that hits loyalist hardest.

Lol Clans are being nerfed because they want balance. Of course they're still nerfing IS mechs at the same time.

As i can see now clan players will never allow this. If we ever get balance they will just quit. Clan easy mode or nothing for them. Maybe when they do quit we can get some IS v IS buckets again. Because every IS player i talk to doesn't want to fight clans.

[Lupis Volk]

Monkey Lover, on 30 January 2017 - 01:30 PM, said:

Lol Clans are being nerfed because they want balance. Of course they're still nerfing IS mechs at the same time.

As i can see now clan players will never allow this. If we ever get balance they will just quit. Clan easy mode or nothing for them. Maybe when they do quit we can get some IS v IS buckets again. Because every IS player i talk to doesn't want to fight clans.

I'll only ever want to meet clans in scouting. My Bush Whackers love eating their Novas, Shadow kittens and Huntsmen, with a side of Hunchbacks 2C's washed with a Viper/Cheetah/Jenner chaser.

[50 50]

Lupis Volk, on 30 January 2017 - 02:53 PM, said:

I'll only ever want to meet clans in scouting. My Bush Whackers love eating their Novas, Shadow kittens and Huntsmen, with a side of Hunchbacks 2C's washed with a Viper/Cheetah/Jenner chaser.

Hahaha! Nice one.
How is the Bushwhacker to pilot? It's a nice looking mech.

[50 50]

Zito, on 30 January 2017 - 07:55 AM, said:

As I stated before, it was a "square table" to push loyalist agenda. More specifically IS loyalist agenda. Instead of adding a clan loyalist rep, just remove Dane. Anyone who spends so much time responding to a post requesting only representation is clearly a bias party. For ***** sake, the OP only asked for representation.

I'd disagree with that. I'd be more inclined to look at Xavier and Spider as two merc and competitive reps and presenting a bias but they all did try and discuss what was presented them as the primary issues. In light of the relatively light discussion, we could be a bit better prepared for the next one. These discussions are healthy but having not only a good representation from the community, but the ability to present. discuss and work through some of these ideas and difficulties seems to be needed.

[A Shoddy Rental Mech]

SmokeGuar, on 30 January 2017 - 05:07 AM, said:

Major issue is PGIs balancing attempts that focus on Clan side. Dec 2015 IS was given major buffs and Clan nerfs, it took PGI 6 months to make corrective measures. During this time lot of Clan loyalists quit game. And now we are seeing the same thing happening again. In order to make mercs to shift side, Clan is nerfed, action that hits loyalist hardest.

Your timeline is off. It took PGI 2 months to nerf the I.S. Not only was the I.S. nerfed, but the clans got major buffs.

The Nerf Bat, on 19 October 2016 - 11:57 PM, said:

The Feb 20 patch was when the the Nerf Hammer hit.

PATCH NOTES - 1.4.53 - 16-FEB-2016
https://mwomercs.com...-1453-16feb2016

"All remaining negative/detrimental Weapon Quirks on Clan 'Mechs have been removed. A small amount of negative Armor and Turn Quirks remain for certain variants.
• All Inner Sphere Energy Range Quirks are now set at 10% (if present)."

In that patch they whacked the Blackjack with the nerf bat. On top of that the found a buff bat to hit the clan targeting computers. Just look at all the green(buffs) on the PDF of all Clan Quirk changes here .

Anything that was competitive was whacked. Patch after patch after patch.

April
Black Knight gets whacked
http://mwomercs.com/...rk%20Values.pdf

June
Black Knight gets whacked again
http://static.mwomer...006-21-2016.pdf

Resize I.S. mechs get big

July
Blackjack Catapult Warhammer Maurader Battlemaster
http://static.mwomer...rk%20Values.pdf

whack whack whack whack whack



Now we move onto the 2nd tier.

• Enforcer ENF-5P: UAC Jam Chance increased to -20% (from -30%).
• JagerMech JM6-DD: UAC Jam Chance increased to -20% (from -30%).

May or may not have copied some of this from the Faction warfare section

This means the I.S. mechs were"better" for a whole 2 months.

[Jables McBarty]

No wait I got this...

Amsro, on 28 January 2017 - 07:50 AM, said:

Tarl Cabot, on 28 January 2017 - 06:30 AM, said:

Might be called bait and switch, and it also sets up the OP as the antagonist, then the actual point(s) gets lost. You have been watching too much American Fox news Drama/Hollywood/Fake News/Comedy..

Fixed that for you.

There we go.

[SmokeGuar]

Did you ever play against Blackjack in FW? Basically Atlas with 2 ppcs and jumpjets.
Black Knight had triple quirks: armor + structure, movement and weapon, simply too much.
Btw, PGI has finally noticed that structure quirks brake game engine and are removed. Effect in game has been much greater than on paper.

Kodiak and Executioner are tiny?

Minor tinkering earlier year, but effectively it took half a year to start to re-balance FW.

And heatsink nerf, 12 months to reverse, and total surprise, reintroduced in other form days later.

IS side was clearly OP until Kodiak arrived. Other thing that affected balance was mass movement of merc groups to Falcons. Things looked quite different from other Clan factions.

[Willard Phule]

OMG, Clan Loyalists are OP! Nerf them now!