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[The6thMessenger]

C-AC are place holders, they practically have no significant advantage over the UACs, aside from slightly cooler, and better range. But they get more crit slots.

However i remembered that LBXs have no GH limit, you can practically shoot LB20X at the same time. So what if C-AC could capitalize with having +1 more GH limit, or even remove it entirely?

Okay, so LBXs have +1 GH, that means you can fire 4 C-AC5 at the same time, 3 C-AC10 at the same time, 2 C-AC20 At the same time. But, UACs have 1.30 worth their weapons' ghost heat limit.

3 UAC5s would produce 3.90, so 4 would it would exceed ghost heat by 1.2.
2 UAC10s would produce 2.60, so 3 would produce 3.90 and would exceed ghost heat by 1.90.
1 UAC20s would produce 1.39, 2.60 would exceed ghost heat by 0.60.

Needless to say, the UAC ghost heat limit is relatively the same, but pure C-AC loadout (w/o UAC) would yield a +1 ghost heat limit, while the C-AC and CUAC would remain linked.

Would that be an enough buff for the C-AC to be useful?

[Y E O N N E]

It's a weird roundabout way to try and make cAC useful. All you really need for non-Ultra, non-LB-X ballistics to be useful is increased velocity and a slightly higher base rate of fire than the Ultras, and that doesn't just apply to Clan ACs, it also applies to IS ACs.

[Snazzy Dragon]

cACs aren't real weapons and should be removed from the game if you ask me.

[Mcgral18]

You can already LOLpha 4 cAC10s without issue


I used them on my Kodiak, because why not. All that needs to be done is to make them worth half the damage.

Velocity is one way to do that

[The6thMessenger]

Mcgral18, on 29 January 2017 - 05:06 PM, said:

You can already LOLpha 4 cAC10s without issue

Hmm, i did not know that. Nevermind this thread anyways.

EDIT:

Tried 2x CAC10 and 2x UAC10 -- it ghost heated on me.

Edited by The6thMessenger, 29 January 2017 - 05:22 PM.

[Champion of Khorne Lord of Blood]

To make the normal ACs worth taking just cut their projectile count down by 1 and maybe increase velocity.

[Mcgral18]

The6thMessenger, on 29 January 2017 - 05:13 PM, said:

Hmm, i did not know that. Nevermind this thread anyways.

EDIT:

Tried 2x CAC10 and 2x UAC10 -- it ghost heated on me.

That's because it's the same as a 4 cUAC10 LOLpha
Because they're linked, and the link uses the highest multiplier of the group.

Same as 4 ERSLs+4ERMLs=8ERML GH

[Y E O N N E]

Snazzy Dragon, on 29 January 2017 - 05:04 PM, said:

cACs aren't real weapons and should be removed from the game if you ask me.

I agree. It's kind of silly to pander to the ammo-switching of LB-X for Clans, but not IS because standard ACs are not LBs. Where's my 11 ton, 6 slot AC/10?

[The6thMessenger]

Mcgral18, on 29 January 2017 - 05:40 PM, said:

That's because it's the same as a 4 cUAC10 LOLpha
Because they're linked, and the link uses the highest multiplier of the group.

Same as 4 ERSLs+4ERMLs=8ERML GH

Well, that's not really what i'm suggesting at all. I'm suggesting that C-ACs could capitalize as the "cooler" weapon, by being able to fire 1 more weapon without breaking ghost heat on pure, unadulterated C-ACs, but is still linked with UACs.

[MacClearly]

No way you should be able to fire two cac/20s without ghost heat.

[Koniving]

You can fire one UAC/20 without ghost heat, what's the difference?

My personal opinion in all cases is that laser beam durations should be cut down to 0.5 seconds and shorter with longer cool down times, ACs, UACs, should all have burst or auto fire mechanics and no ghost heat...

And we'll see how **** goes from there (since we know PGI will never get lore friendly with the weapons).

[Mcgral18]

The6thMessenger, on 29 January 2017 - 05:50 PM, said:

Well, that's not really what i'm suggesting at all. I'm suggesting that C-ACs could capitalize as the "cooler" weapon, by being able to fire 1 more weapon without breaking ghost heat on pure, unadulterated C-ACs, but is still linked with UACs.

Your particular case would still have the same issue, because it's both the higher multiplier and lower cap



It would help the cAC20, I guess, but that's about it

0.81 heat isn't worth that much for the 10 series

[Y E O N N E]

Koniving, on 29 January 2017 - 06:15 PM, said:

You can fire one UAC/20 without ghost heat, what's the difference?

You've paid double the weight to get zero jam chance?

[The6thMessenger]

Mcgral18, on 29 January 2017 - 06:15 PM, said:

Your particular case would still have the same issue, because it's both the higher multiplier and lower cap



It would help the cAC20, I guess, but that's about it

0.81 heat isn't worth that much for the 10 series

It's still something right?

[Koniving]

Yeonne Greene, on 29 January 2017 - 06:22 PM, said:

You've paid double the weight to get zero jam chance?

It doesn't really jam much on me anyway.
Besides even with single fire, it is 3 times superior to its tabletop version. It's actually an RAC/5 on just single fire given about 8 seconds of use.

Besides, I was asking on what's the difference where the AC/20s can't be allowed to not have ghost heat, when a UAC/20 for half the weight can do the same thing without ghost heat. Paying double the weight should entitle me to not endure ghost heat.

Edited by Koniving, 29 January 2017 - 06:30 PM.

[Y E O N N E]

Koniving, on 29 January 2017 - 06:29 PM, said:

Besides, I was asking on what's the difference where the AC/20s can't be allowed to not have ghost heat, when a UAC/20 for half the weight can do the same thing without ghost heat. Paying double the weight should entitle me to not endure ghost heat.

Difference is 40 damage over 0.33 seconds for a pair of cAC/20 versus 40 damage over 0.66 seconds for a single cUAC/20. I agree that 24-28 tons should entitle you to not have to endure ghost heat for cAC/20 and isAC/20 but not for cUAC/20. A pair of cUAC/20 is 80 potentially pin-point damage at 400 meters fully moduled up, which is 194 meters off from being exactly what got quad-UAC/10 nerfed.

[RestosIII]

MacClearly, on 29 January 2017 - 06:09 PM, said:

No way you should be able to fire two cac/20s without ghost heat.

The IS and Clans shouldn't have ghost heat with 2 AC/20's in the first place.

[MacClearly]

RestosIII, on 29 January 2017 - 07:31 PM, said:

The IS and Clans shouldn't have ghost heat with 2 AC/20's in the first place.

I am not so sure. That in combination with lasers would make TTK pretty low in some builds. Scorch and King Crab could erase most mechs with one shot then.

[Y E O N N E]

MacClearly, on 29 January 2017 - 08:31 PM, said:

I am not so sure. That in combination with lasers would make TTK pretty low in some builds. Scorch and King Crab could erase most mechs with one shot then.

Scorch is already erasing 'Mechs in one shot, King Crab needs all the help it can get.

[Mcgral18]

Yeonne Greene, on 29 January 2017 - 08:33 PM, said:

Scorch is already erasing 'Mechs in one shot, King Crab needs all the help it can get.

LB20X has no Ghost Heat, for those who do not know



Which of course means it will get GH, and it swaps to Dual Gauss

Edited by Mcgral18, 29 January 2017 - 08:38 PM.