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[NighthawK1337]

I would be okay if IS XLs survive even without case.
Maybe I'd finally switch to IS.

This is coming from a filthy clanner.

Edited by NighthawK1337, 31 January 2017 - 02:59 AM.

[The6thMessenger]

Hmm, that would trivialize XL Engine. Well i'd rather make them just survive like Clans do, but a 0.5t and 1 slot, considering PGI's wishes on the XL disparity, i think it would be prudent to have CASE for different weight range like Jump Jets. From 0.5, to 1, to 2, to 4 tons, and if not for individual case, maybe for pairs.

[Jingseng]

whole point of CASE was to protect CT.

Having it protect ST as well seems a bit much. It would go from "not gonna" to "always gonna", which is just bending the arrow all the way in the other direction to try and straighten the thing.

[Baulven]

I would prefer just letting it survive like a clan XL. This method just makes the complaint shift to even more slots required.

[Dimento Graven]

Bombast, on 30 January 2017 - 05:54 PM, said:

Idea from Twitter (Horse ‏@dboerner3, whoever you are) - CASE or CASE II protected STs prevent ST engine destruction (Unless it's both STs).

Thoughts? Obviously not 'canon,' but since CASE is kind of useless now anyway, why not?

I dunno, at least it would be SOMETHING, but the result, of course, is that it would require MORE weight and MORE crit space to match a Clan XL, something resulting in yet another ton and two crit spaces lost.

It's a 'bare minimum' option, if we absolutely, positively can't have any other option...

[Oberost]

Dimento Graven, on 31 January 2017 - 12:19 PM, said:

I dunno, at least it would be SOMETHING, but the result, of course, is that it would require MORE weight and MORE crit space to match a Clan XL, something resulting in yet another ton and two crit spaces lost.

It's a 'bare minimum' option, if we absolutely, positively can't have any other option...

We have several options, but PGI seems to be afraid of the balance between IS XL and STD engines. Surprisingly the don't have the same concerns regarding Clan engines...

As an IS player I'll go either with no death on ST loss or buffing ST structure or armour to match CT and give IS XL some minor agility and/or heat management perks.

Edit: of course, STD should be buffed as well. I mean a big buff...

Edited by Oberost, 31 January 2017 - 12:54 PM.

[C E Dwyer]

Well I'd rather they both popped on a side torso going

IS XL pop on a side torso loss, because of the old rules and it automatically means you received the three critical hits an IS engine could take.

The crit hit system is supposed to represent things like heat regulation systems breaking down internal heat sinks failing etc etc.

It's not supposed to represent a dirty great chunk of engine being spread all over the battle field, which is what happens to both clan and IS engines

Edit

yes yes the three crit rule and a side torso on a clan XL is only two crits worth.

however if P.G.I ever put an engine crit system in, the sides would be smaller and less likely to get hit, which is still an advantage not to be sneezed at

Edited by Cathy, 31 January 2017 - 01:02 PM.

[Metus regem]

Snazzy Dragon, on 30 January 2017 - 05:57 PM, said:

It costs tonnage and slots which is extremely valuable for IS mechs so I don't have an issue with it. But all the TT purists are going to whine about how CASE only stops ammo explosions and its only use on XLs was to keep repair costs to a minimum on XL ammo based mechs....

As a purist-ish for TT, what case does is right in the freaking name of it...

Celluar
Amunition
Storeage
Equipment

Or C.A.S.E. for short.

The way it works, as written up, is venting the force and fire from an ammo explosion out the back of the mech, rather than allow for a chain reaction passing from one section of the mech to the next.... But please, don't get me started about the absurdity of ammo feeds passing through joints of a mech....

[Sigmar Sich]

Bombast, on 30 January 2017 - 05:54 PM, said:

CASE or CASE II protected STs prevent ST engine destruction (Unless it's both STs).

Could be interesting. Sure better than just introducing LFE, making both IS' STD and XL irrelevant.

But i think it is probably better to give bonus structure - STD gives +100% CT structure, XL gives +30-50% side torsos structure. And LFE will be just more heavy version of durable clan XL.