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[Bishop Steiner]

I came across a serious discrepancy for the BJ-3 Blackjack . The MUL listed it as production date 3042, but it was given stats originally in the BattlePack: Fourth Succession War, with a production date of 3029, apparently using stolen plans for House Davion's corrosive Double Heat Sink design.

I brought this up on the MUL thread at CGLs forums, and BANG

http://www.masteruni...blackjack-bj-3x
http://www.masteruni...rd/3831?skill=4
http://bg.battletech...topic=47774.570

Just like that a new, BJ-3X Blackjack appeared! Though they only have the Alpha Strike stats atm, not an official Record Sheet, yet. I expect stats to either be similar to the BJ-3 with experimental DHS, or maybe it will have STD SHS, hard to say.

Whatever the exact genesis, It's kind of neat to see a new canon mech be born! (I can provide them art is they need it!)

[Y E O N N E]

Plot-twist:

It's actually a more advanced take on the BJ-1X that adds Jump Jets into the mix (pls!).

[762 NATO]

Sweet!

[Juodas Varnas]

Bishop Steiner, on 05 February 2017 - 02:46 PM, said:

I expect stats to either be similar to the BJ-3 with experimental DHS, or maybe it will have STD SHS, hard to say.

Maybe it'll have BOTH SHS and the experimental DHS.

Because i think that the experimental DHS could be used alongside SHS. Maybe engine mounted heatsinks could be singles, but the ones outside the engine - DHS?

[Bishop Steiner]

Yeonne Greene, on 05 February 2017 - 02:51 PM, said:

Plot-twist:

It's actually a more advanced take on the BJ-1X that adds Jump Jets into the mix (pls!).

Negative, Iceman, it was created directly in response to a timeline issue I discovered for the BJ-3 so it's pretty obviously going to be inline with that.

[Y E O N N E]

Bishop Steiner, on 05 February 2017 - 03:07 PM, said:

Negative, Iceman, it was created directly in response to a timeline issue I discovered for the BJ-3 so it's pretty obviously going to be inline with that.

Yeah, I commented before I finished reading the links.

Also, it says "Sniper" on the card, something the BJ-1X most decidedly was not.

[Bud Crue]

I admit, this makes me geek out a bit.

Very cool. Thanks for sharing this.

[Alan Davion]

Bishop Steiner, on 05 February 2017 - 02:46 PM, said:

House Davion's corrosive Double Heat Sink design.

You mean the fake Triple Strength Myomer, right? I've never heard of any fake double heat sinks.

[Bishop Steiner]

Alan Davion, on 05 February 2017 - 04:11 PM, said:

You mean the fake Triple Strength Myomer, right? I've never heard of any fake double heat sinks.

Then you don't know much about House Davion. The original DHS by NAIS were highly corrosive.

[Gentleman Reaper]

Alan Davion, on 05 February 2017 - 04:11 PM, said:

You mean the fake Triple Strength Myomer, right? I've never heard of any fake double heat sinks.

First of all, it wasn't "fake", it was fully functional, but had a vulnerability where it would catch fire if exposed to a special gas, which Hanse Davion used during the fourth succession war and the war of 3039.

And yes, corrosive DHS did exist, they only took 1 slot, but the reason it wasn't put into production is because of the volatility of the chemicals used in them, as destruction would cause the chemicals to leak into and damage the mech's internals.

[Alan Davion]

Bishop Steiner, on 05 February 2017 - 04:39 PM, said:

Then you don't know much about House Davion. The original DHS by NAIS were highly corrosive.

Were they ever mentioned in a novel by any chance? Unfortunately 90% of my Battletech exposure comes from the novels, and I don't even have all of them. If they were only mentioned in a Table Top Rule or Source book, that's probably why I never heard of them.

Gentleman Reaper, on 05 February 2017 - 04:44 PM, said:

First of all, it wasn't "fake", it was fully functional, but had a vulnerability where it would catch fire if exposed to a special gas, which Hanse Davion used during the fourth succession war and the war of 3039.

And yes, corrosive DHS did exist, they only took 1 slot, but the reason it wasn't put into production is because of the volatility of the chemicals used in them, as destruction would cause the chemicals to leak into and damage the mech's internals.

I used the word "fake" to mean it was a trap, in that the TSM specs were leaked by Davion and subsequently used by Liao without knowing about the chemical reaction between the myomer and the gas, and when Davion forces landed on Sian to rescue Justin Allard and Candace Liao, the Liao mechs were rendered immobile when their TSM subsequently blew up when the gas got into armor breaches.

[cazidin]

Gentleman Reaper, on 05 February 2017 - 04:44 PM, said:

First of all, it wasn't "fake", it was fully functional, but had a vulnerability where it would catch fire if exposed to a special gas, which Hanse Davion used during the fourth succession war and the war of 3039.

And yes, corrosive DHS did exist, they only took 1 slot, but the reason it wasn't put into production is because of the volatility of the chemicals used in them, as destruction would cause the chemicals to leak into and damage the mech's internals.

1 ton 1 slot DHS? I want. Obsolete the SHS even more!

Edited by cazidin, 05 February 2017 - 07:17 PM.

[TheArisen]

Do we know anything about it's loadout yet?

[Scout Derek]

cazidin, on 05 February 2017 - 07:17 PM, said:

1 ton 1 slot DHS? I want. Obsolete the SHS even more!

if you'd like your mech to explode randomly after extensive use during a match, then yes....

Just like the dancing ebon Jaguar. but this time there's fireworks!

[Bishop Steiner]

Alan Davion, on 05 February 2017 - 06:13 PM, said:

Were they ever mentioned in a novel by any chance? Unfortunately 90% of my Battletech exposure comes from the novels, and I don't even have all of them. If they were only mentioned in a Table Top Rule or Source book, that's probably why I never heard of them.

Well, 90% of relevant lore is on those sourcebooks, so yep, that's where it would be found.

TheArisen, on 05 February 2017 - 07:19 PM, said:

Do we know anything about it's loadout yet?

not really... I would expect 99% likelihood of it being identical to the BJ3, but with some permutation of Corrosive Experimental DHS, whether it be all of them, or just the external ones.

[Levi Porphyrogenitus]

Scout Derek, on 05 February 2017 - 07:37 PM, said:

if you'd like your mech to explode randomly after extensive use during a match, then yes....

Just like the dancing ebon Jaguar. but this time there's fireworks!

Is there a single player in this game who wouldn't take some small statistical chance of taking extra internal damage from DHS crits in exchange for 1-slot DHS?

Bishop Steiner, on 05 February 2017 - 02:46 PM, said:

I came across a serious discrepancy for the BJ-3 Blackjack . The MUL listed it as production date 3042, but it was given stats originally in the BattlePack: Fourth Succession War, with a production date of 3029, apparently using stolen plans for House Davion's corrosive Double Heat Sink design.

I brought this up on the MUL thread at CGLs forums, and BANG

http://www.masteruni...blackjack-bj-3x
http://www.masteruni...rd/3831?skill=4
http://bg.battletech...topic=47774.570

Just like that a new, BJ-3X Blackjack appeared! Though they only have the Alpha Strike stats atm, not an official Record Sheet, yet. I expect stats to either be similar to the BJ-3 with experimental DHS, or maybe it will have STD SHS, hard to say.

Whatever the exact genesis, It's kind of neat to see a new canon mech be born! (I can provide them art is they need it!)

They should totally put some kind of reference to you in whatever lore they create around it, maybe putting a stand-in on the design team or something...

[Scout Derek]

Levi Porphyrogenitus, on 05 February 2017 - 08:09 PM, said:

Is there a single player in this game who wouldn't take some small statistical chance of taking extra internal damage from DHS crits in exchange for 1-slot DHS?

good question.

but you're asking the wrong guy that always rides on the high heat levels.

[TheArisen]

Bishop Steiner, on 05 February 2017 - 08:08 PM, said:

Well, 90% of relevant lore is on those sourcebooks, so yep, that's where it would be found.


not really... I would expect 99% likelihood of it being identical to the BJ3, but with some permutation of Corrosive Experimental DHS, whether it be all of them, or just the external ones.

Well the card says "Sniper". What kind of loadout does the BJ3 have?

[Lugin]

Alan Davion, on 05 February 2017 - 06:13 PM, said:

Were they ever mentioned in a novel by any chance? Unfortunately 90% of my Battletech exposure comes from the novels, and I don't even have all of them. If they were only mentioned in a Table Top Rule or Source book, that's probably why I never heard of them.

Sarna's section on pre-recovery DHS.

Relevant sources: Historical: War of 3039, BattleCorps short story Proprietary, Tales of the Black Widow Company, and Starterbook: Sword and Dragon.

Mostly rule/scenario books, and some BattleCorps fiction.

Edited by Lugin, 05 February 2017 - 11:23 PM.

[Juodas Varnas]

TheArisen, on 05 February 2017 - 09:50 PM, said:

Well the card says "Sniper". What kind of loadout does the BJ3 have?

2xPPCs and 4xMLs