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[Anjian]

If there is a phrase for this, its called constantly chasing your tail. That's basically what attempted balancing results in --- new imbalances whose resolution creates more imbalances, resulting in an unending cycle of balancing. This is why this game never got done.

At some point, there must be an acceptance to a certain level of imbalances to stop the cycle.

[nehebkau]

Anjian, on 22 February 2017 - 07:50 AM, said:

If there is a phrase for this, its called constantly chasing your tail. T

My dog chases his tail and seems to have a grand old time doing it. Its making me envious of my dog since he has a tail and I don't.

I also can't sniff my own butt like him.... but I am not envious of that.

Edited by nehebkau, 22 February 2017 - 07:53 AM.

[Bishop Steiner]

nehebkau, on 22 February 2017 - 07:52 AM, said:

My dog chases his tail and seems to have a grand old time doing it. Its making me envious of my dog since he has a tail and I don't.

I also can't sniff my own butt like him.... but I am not envious of that.

or lick your own... well, yeah, never mind. But then, you also don`'t consider cat poop a delicacy, so I reckon, maybe a dog's life is mildly overrated?

[Weeny Machine]

nehebkau, on 22 February 2017 - 07:52 AM, said:

My dog chases his tail and seems to have a grand old time doing it. Its making me envious of my dog since he has a tail and I don't.

I also can't sniff my own butt like him.... but I am not envious of that.

So,,,you are a lady or had an accident and a little something got cut off?

[TLBFestus]

Bishop Steiner, on 22 February 2017 - 08:00 AM, said:

or lick your own... well, yeah, never mind. But then, you also don`'t consider cat poop a delicacy, so I reckon, maybe a dog's life is mildly overrated?

Hey my dog swears by those delicious treats covered in sprinkles that he will dig out of the litter box if I don't keep a close eye on him.

According to him it's nirvana!

[Coolant]

Source Mystic, on 22 February 2017 - 06:35 AM, said:

You keep nerfing lights .... empowering clan and in general fixing things that do not need fixing.

Please provide evidence of all 3 of your statements (nerfing lights/empowering clans/fixing things not needing to be fixed). That's quite a lot to accuse PGI of in a single sentence with zero evidence.

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I do not know if you have seen how the games have been going in the last month but you have been throwing tier -1 players in with tier 5.

Again, blanket statement assuming facts not in evidence. Please provide.

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The old pros are also getting tired of you constant re-tweaking of the system.

Considering I have been playing since Closed Beta I would humbly consider myself an old pro and yet I do not agree with you at all about getting tired of "tweaking the system". Respectively, you do not speak for me and please don't assume to speak for others.

[Monkey Lover]

Source Mystic, on 22 February 2017 - 06:35 AM, said:

You keep nerfing lights .... empowering clan and in general fixing things that do not need fixing.

I do not know if you have seen how the games have been going in the last month but you have been throwing tier -1 players in with tier 5. The games have been ridiculously unbalanced. This kills games I seen it three times now. competitive players should never be in the same game as casual or beginners. Why? it dos not felicitate a fun learning experience and beginning players just walk away before they even learn the fundamentals.

The old pros are also getting tired of you constant re-tweaking of the system.

Been said lots of times tier 5 players will never play with tier 1 players.

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Should also point out that at least 80%+ of the matches dispatched in under 2 minutes which means most matches are only a spread of one tier

I think the issue is new players are not as bad as you think

[Requiemking]

Coolant, on 22 February 2017 - 09:43 AM, said:

Please provide evidence of all 3 of your statements (nerfing lights/empowering clans/fixing things not needing to be fixed). That's quite a lot to accuse PGI of in a single sentence with zero evidence.

I can't speak for the last two, but, as a Light pilot, I can speak to the nerfing Lights part. What with the Rescale, overbloated agility on all the heavier weightclasses, constant quirk nerfs to Lights, the general suckfest that is the light-weight weapons in this game, the existence of a hardcounter(Streaks), the fact that their JJs are worse than a Medium's despite being the same weight, ect.

[dario03]

Requiemking, on 22 February 2017 - 10:05 AM, said:

I can't speak for the last two, but, as a Light pilot, I can speak to the nerfing Lights part. What with the Rescale, overbloated agility on all the heavier weightclasses, constant quirk nerfs to Lights, the general suckfest that is the light-weight weapons in this game, the existence of a hardcounter(Streaks), the fact that their JJs are worse than a Medium's despite being the same weight, ect.

Also higher percentage in fall damage. And the 40kph when legged speed limit.

[Prof RJ Gumby]

Well, they're making mech agility not depend on the engine rating, but the engine mech tonnnage on the new PTS. This seems, among other things like an attempt to balance things out between weight classes (as there will be no chance to make your heavy or assault super agile by taking a big engine). How will that work - time will tell. Anyway, it seems to me that PGI is aware of the problem and tries to fix it.

Edited by Prof RJ Gumby, 22 February 2017 - 11:11 AM.

[Requiemking]

Prof RJ Gumby, on 22 February 2017 - 11:10 AM, said:

Well, they're making mech agility not depend on the engine rating, but the engine mech tonnnage on the new PTS. This seems, among other things like an attempt to balance things out between weight classes (as there will be no chance to make your heavy or assault super agile by taking a big engine). How will that work - time will tell. Anyway, it seems to me that PGI is aware of the problem and tries to fix it.

The agility thing is pretty much a drop in the bucket compared to the whole list of things keeping Light mechs down.

[vettie]

nehebkau, on 22 February 2017 - 07:52 AM, said:

My dog chases his tail and seems to have a grand old time doing it. Its making me envious of my dog since he has a tail and I don't.

I also can't sniff my own butt like him.... but I am not envious of that.

Just wondering, what do dogs do on their day off?
I mean, they cant just lay around, that seems to be their job...

[tworivers]

Source Mystic, on 22 February 2017 - 06:35 AM, said:

You keep nerfing lights .... empowering clan and in general fixing things that do not need fixing.

I do not know if you have seen how the games have been going in the last month but you have been throwing tier -1 players in with tier 5. The games have been ridiculously unbalanced. This kills games I seen it three times now. competitive players should never be in the same game as casual or beginners. Why? it dos not felicitate a fun learning experience and beginning players just walk away before they even learn the fundamentals.

The old pros are also getting tired of you constant re-tweaking of the system.

Well been playing MWO 3 years and a bit. I play a lot everyday and do not see what you just said. This is a case of someone ranting as most games are won by teams who play together and those that do not well most who have been playing awhile know the result of that. I am by no means a pro but this game is as good as your team is as far as playing with Tier 1 I like to do that because I learn from them and it elevates my game. Lights , again don't see what your talking about. The Clans have been nerfed hard and that I do wish would stop as most of the whining about that is players who want to be a hero in the game and one shot things well this is not LOL or some other shooter game this is about lore and teamwork no team no wins pretty plain so stop sniveling and get better or try harder.

[Mechteric]

It's really hard to take a topic seriously that can't spell words in the title correctly.

[Jackal Noble]

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Weird bad spelling fetish aside, Having more recently ascended to T1, I have noticed some odd antics as of late, things that just don't ring right in matches, getting away with full on broadsides without fear or repercussion ( which while nice, does bring about the occasional raised brow). Methinks it's a combination of lower population atm, paired with some of the die-hard of our population sticking with Faction Warfare.

[Jackal Noble]

and group queues.... forgot to add that. I'd imagine you have some players that view the yolo-queue with severe disdain and only ever touch the group stuff. I prefer yolowarrioring.

[Idealsuspect]

nehebkau, on 22 February 2017 - 07:52 AM, said:

My dog chases his tail and seems to have a grand old time doing it. Its making me envious of my dog since he has a tail and I don't.

I also can't sniff my own butt like him.... but I am not envious of that.

You have one just not long enough.

Anjian, on 22 February 2017 - 07:50 AM, said:

If there is a phrase for this, its called constantly chasing your tail. That's basically what attempted balancing results in --- new imbalances whose resolution creates more imbalances, resulting in an unending cycle of balancing. This is why this game never got done.

At some point, there must be an acceptance to a certain level of imbalances to stop the cycle.

Yep sir.
They can balance with temporaly Cbills or LPs buff but for do it they would have to listen communauty or better .. know how the game is going now every weeks.

[Andi Nagasia]

Source Mystic, on 22 February 2017 - 06:35 AM, said:

You keep nerfing lights .... empowering clan and in general fixing things that do not need fixing.

ok how so, where can you give an Example?
i know lights arnt very good right now, but how are they being nerfed right now?

Source Mystic, on 22 February 2017 - 06:35 AM, said:

I do not know if you have seen how the games have been going in the last month but you have been throwing tier -1 players in with tier 5. The games have been ridiculously unbalanced.

both sides can do fully balanced Tier wise and it still end up as a wash(0-12)
some times bad positioning or a Bad call can often leave a Team Crippled,
also T1 cannot be Placed with T5 Players, as per how the System works,

Source Mystic, on 22 February 2017 - 06:35 AM, said:

This kills games I seen it three times now. competitive players should never be in the same game as casual or beginners. Why? it dos not felicitate a fun learning experience and beginning players just walk away before they even learn the fundamentals.

you can be casually and still be T1, you can be a casual and be one of the best players,
being highly skilled in MWO has nothing to do with ether being a Casual or a Comp player,
yes the PSR isnt a perfect system, and you can have lower skilled players in T1,

Source Mystic, on 22 February 2017 - 06:35 AM, said:

The old pros are also getting tired of you constant re-tweaking of the system.

its something that has to happen, new content comes out to keep everything fun everything has to be balanced,
many want a better Skill System, which is what PGI is attempting to give us, a better Skill System,
this is for old and new players alike, and its something we all will have to do,

Edited by Andi Nagasia, 22 February 2017 - 03:55 PM.

[WM Jeri]

Dropping by and see they are still trying to totally reinvent the design mechanics of their game well after launch. Thought I might log in and look at the Bushwacker I bought and have never seen. And after looking at this latest bunch of changes all I can say is ummm....no, just get tired of the radical redesigns they never seem to end.

[Maugged]

WM Jeri, on 22 February 2017 - 04:05 PM, said:

they are still trying to totally reinvent the design mechanics of their game well after launch.

QFT.