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[LordNothing]

i dont really get angry when i play this game. usually i exit when i die its not because im mad its because im trying to maximize my game time. only time i stick around is when the game is really interesting, like its a tied to the last man or something, or if one player is on a roll, or if i need that mech back and exiting wont make the match end any faster.

in game i try to keep good humor, some sarcasm sometimes when its deserved. but if it is a game and if you arent enjoying it its time to do something else.

[The Jerol]

As my wife likes to say, unhappy people behave badly.

If you're getting angry and yelling at folks over the outcome of a 5-10 minute battle, your problems run deeper than a poorly played mech.


TJ

[oldradagast]

While the forums are often a sea of salt and blind rage, even they are tame compared to what they used to be. As for MWO itself, nah - the people there are mostly harmless compared to the immature, hypercompetitive sociopaths that play a lot of other online games.

Just as an example I've played ONE DOTA 2 game in my life, and that was more than enough. I was visiting my brother in law, who plays, and he wanted to show me the game because he thought it was cool and I might be interested in it. So, we go into a match and he warns the team that he's letting a relative borrow his account for that game and I'm new. Immediately, VoIP fills up with death threats and raging obscenities that are appropriate for spoiled brats who have no interaction with the real world. Ok... we turn off VoIP... so, then the text chat fills up with things like "I hope somebody kills you" and so forth. Over a video game that means absolutely nothing. Right... So, we won that game, I - ironically - was not even the worst performer on my team - and I'll never play DOTA 2 again because I don't actively seek to interact with sociopaths. And many online games are full of these types. In the grand scheme of things, MWO is extremely tame.

Edited by oldradagast, 24 February 2017 - 08:10 AM.

[Moebius Pi]

Thar she blows, dump start!

This game's toxicity doesn't hold a candle to DOTA2 or League, not one tiny, minute sliver. That said, allow me to add a little sodium chloride to the mix.

It does have it's own sort of "put a plastic bag over your head and inhale deeply" demographic though that you'll get in almost anything remotely war-sim (and this is just enough to get them in spades), who can't shut up, can't stop contradicting good calls, can't work as a team, and spend their time passive aggressively growling like Wilford Brimley on a bad day while tanking your matches, game after game because advanced age and advanced stupidity means **** you, and **** your team, they'll carry being a special snowflake, just you see (and then score so badly, you wonder if gamer senility is also part of the package).

Those are a special breed, and when they start ******** on the COMs... boy, will you wish you turned off VOIP entirely. Don't you dare have a bad match around them either; they'll grasp at any straw to raise themselves up on a pedestal when by fluke they muster something better that one match than ya (and you'll never, ever hear the end of it, even as they faceplant a dozen times in a row after).

This coming from someone who's anything but some spring chicken anymore. Between the high strung overly competitive (outside of the comp leagues) sorts, and the Brimleys, those are often the two sorts that tend to show you even with an older playerbase, some **** only changes window deressing in gaming. Luckily it's an exception, and rare enough you can usually recognize the folks by name prone to it, versus having a faceless swarm of "why did I bother logging in again?" like League of legends and company.

That said, if you bring an ERLL LRM Atlas... you deserve everything you get if you're sitting behind a hill all match, fresh, while everyone else is trying to get something done beyond feed an oversized scavenger a padded score. No, really, burn in your fusion reactor .

Even then, sometimes you just get folks (myself included) that make a dumb mistake for various reasons, and do **** all in the match as a result. Often in quickplay, often based on the bad judgement that your team mates know where to go, when to push or will support you (or even watch the minimap whatsoever)... or are just ******* around in some goof around build outside of FP to see if it's a fluke, or consistent thing to play around with.

Folks will always remember when you **** up, and almost never, ever when you do spectacular to boot. That's a thing gaming has always had in spades. Nevermind if you consistently do great... **** up rarely, and boy howdy, it'll haunt you. This game is no different. Crack 1000+ in group or quickplay, nobody says a word. Derp around a corner and get blasted by an entire lance or more before you even get off a 100, expect everyone to remember that. Hell, punch past 3000 damage in FP? Expect a group of another unit to ***** about you taking too long to eject into your next mech, nevermind having chewed through damn near an entire wave yourself. Because it wasn't them that did it. So you ****** up. Seriously. Gaming is an odd beast.

The older demographic with its own bugbears aren't something you'll notice much in DOTA2 (outright AIDs of a community) or League (A cancerous tumor with sparkles and smiles on the surface), so it tends to stand out here in stark contrast, potentially skewing what the overall community is like.

You tend to notice it more because the age range tends to be pretty divergent from many popular F2P and FPS games. It's -still- more civil on average. You'll get folks in constant elevated blood pressure overly critical spasstic leader mode, you'll get folks who can't keep their mouth shut and accept they aren't drop calling anything, you'll get drunks and hardcore druggies who just blather non-stop about their latest stupidity (or federal level ******* crime... derp)... and you'll still have a far, far more pleasant experience on average than most popular pvp games with a VOIP or just text chat. Seriously. Not even joking.

The forums? Those are some of the worst I've been part of though. One giant overused porta-potty, overfull and leaking everywhere. When folks gift you premium time etc. because you took the time to help someone, look at it from a new player perspective for a little bit of help, it's a good indicator of just how constructive this place is on average. I wish i was kidding there too.

The game itself? Pretty mature even when some tantrum comes around (and everyone has a bad day or bad game from time to time that has them act out of character now and then for whatever reason). You have some habitual problem players like you do anywhere, you've got some consistent bad trends that go along with the player base, but you don't tend to wonder why there's a social option whatsoever in the game compared to many, many others out there at least.

/end of steaming log.

[RestosIII]

oldradagast, on 24 February 2017 - 08:10 AM, said:

While the forums are often a sea of salt and blind rage, even they are tame compared to what they used to be. As for MWO itself, nah - the people there are mostly harmless compared to the immature, hypercompetitive sociopaths that play a lot of other online games.

Just as an example I've played ONE DOTA 2 game in my life, and that was more than enough. I was visiting my brother in law, who plays, and he wanted to show me the game because he thought it was cool and I might be interested in it. So, we go into a match and he warns the team that he's letting a relative borrow his account for that game and I'm new. Immediately, VoIP fills up with death threats and raging obscenities that are appropriate for spoiled brats who have no interaction with the real world. Ok... we turn off VoIP... so, then the text chat fills up with things like "I hope somebody kills you" and so forth. Over a video game that means absolutely nothing. Right... So, we won that game, I - ironically - was not even the worst performer on my team - and I'll never play DOTA 2 again because I don't actively seek to interact with sociopaths. And many online games are full of these types. In the grand scheme of things, MWO is extremely tame.

You don't know true Dota 2 toxicity until you attempt to main a support hero in it. I want to play that game so badly, but my Crystal Maiden arcana is gathering dust due to the fact that every time I play, I get yelled at for being the entire reason my team is losing because I'm "not placing enough wards". The wards are completely sold out ya dinguses, and even more wards wouldn't have saved you from walking into the entire enemy team without any backup when they were already visible.

Er, yeah. Anyways, this game is one of the calmest, least toxic F2P titles I've ever played.

[Mystere]

Yanlowen Cage, on 24 February 2017 - 03:45 AM, said:

Most aggravating thing that sits me off is players being self centered in their mech builds and play styles. EX: building a assault that is pure stand off so that your are not helping the team with your armor and reaping the benefit of your less well armored mates dying so you can "kill at range".

This is a problem that is solvable by running with a group.

If running solo, we should all understand that there are several playstyles and who prefers which one is a personal issue. I myself may not like the situation you described and have seen it often. But, raging directly on the player is not an answer (but it probably is on the forums ).

Having said that, I've been known to drop sharp-as-knife jokes just to rattle the offender.

[Mystere]

Roadbuster, on 24 February 2017 - 06:32 AM, said:

But as Yanlowen said, it's people who try to play MWO like a single player game with NPC-teammates ...

Ahem! You are my NPCs.

[Mystere]

Marquis De Lafayette, on 24 February 2017 - 06:44 AM, said:

As others have pointed out. Assaults usually have the most influence in the match. If someone is running a LRM Atlas ( or other 100 tonner) you are gimping your team in a brawl. There can exceptions where a LRM or long range support assault can make a postitive difference, but those are pretty build and chassis specific.

The bottom line in QP is that Charlie lance needs to get shot at by the enemy. If you are in Charlie lance and are nearly fresh at the end (unless your team just stomps) you are doing it wrong. The pilots in alpha and bravo lance are much lighter and have less armor to spend for the team. When they die, you will die about 30 sec later...fresh or not. 5 on 1 battles only end one way when you are an assault...even at 100% health.

If you are the last alive in an assault, enough to get raged in more than a few occasions...it's probably your builds and/or play-style. We were all new once and each pilot here has done dumb things,etc. Learning from the better pilots calling you out can be helpful to better play. Not excusing abuse or anything...just sometimes the frustration expressed by other pilots is something to be learned from....assuming one wants to get better.

Roughneck45, on 24 February 2017 - 07:15 AM, said:

If you are using an assault mech people are WAY more likely to rage. Assaults are important for a win, so if you don't know the maps, where the fights often take place, and aren't sharing armor the salt will come raining down on you.

If there was a 10,000 Euro/Dollar/Pound pot waiting at the end of a match, I'd probably care enough. But there isn't. So i'm not going to insist (well, not too much anyway ) if someone in an assault wants to hang back.

But if I see said player on the forums, expect a few sharp quips from me.

Edited by Mystere, 24 February 2017 - 08:22 AM.

[Novakaine]

El Bandito, on 24 February 2017 - 03:51 AM, said:

This game is very mild in terms of foul language being thrown around. Dunno how it is in the lower tiers, but I do not remember anyone raging this entire week.

Most of the salt comes from people getting Narced, then lurmed.

Sorry.

[meteorol]

This community seems to be pretty tame compared from what i have seen from other games (and i play plenty of other games).

That aside... about 1/4 of the rage i see is justified, from players that perform noticeably better than the rest of the team and justifiably complain about their team being terribad.

3/4 is from mad cuz bad guys who are sitting deep in the trashtier gutter, aggressively complaining about their team while being among the teams worst players, often the worst player.

[Roadbuster]

Mystere, on 24 February 2017 - 08:17 AM, said:

Ahem! You are my NPCs.

Shush! I don't like when my NPCs talk to me.

[R Valentine]

I find the MWO community to be fairly tolerable. The only thing that really tilts me is wanna-be snipers who don't understand the game is won by moving and distributing damage, not hiding and avoiding it. Stationary mechs always die in the end and stationary teams always lose, but you couldn't pay that dual ppc/gauss Dire Wolf to move out from behind that column no matter how bad his team is losing. Stuff like that makes me want to kill myself.

[Mystere]

Roadbuster, on 24 February 2017 - 08:24 AM, said:

Shush! I don't like when my NPCs talk to me.

As someone who has been working on and off on AI avatars, I completely disagree with you.

[RestosIII]

Kiran Yagami, on 24 February 2017 - 08:25 AM, said:

I find the MWO community to be fairly tolerable. The only thing that really tilts me is wanna-be snipers who don't understand the game is won by moving and distributing damage, not hiding and avoiding it. Stationary mechs always die in the end and stationary teams always lose, but you couldn't pay that dual ppc/gauss Dire Wolf to move out from behind that column no matter how bad his team is losing. Stuff like that makes me want to kill myself.

I feel like that's an overreaction.

[Humpday]

It does get frustrating when your assaults don't assault and you're in a med, leading the charge. They'll follow me if I go in, but if I don't more often than not they'll sit and poke all day.

The worst are the assaults that stay in the rear and not charge forward. They're assaults, assault something, unless you're an lrm boat, move to the front and get in the fight,

[Tatula]

On the other side of the coin, people need to support their assault mechs. I've seen many matches where the mediums and heavies go running off with the lights, leaving the assaults behind, and then rage about the assaults not being out front. Let the lights and fast mediums run ahead and do scouting, but heavies and slower mediums should stay with the assaults. Watch their backs so you don't lose your heavy hitters to the enemy lights in the first 2 minutes. And on the front lines, when the assaults push and charge, take advantage of them drawing most of the enemy fire and follow them in. People care WAY too much about their KDR.

That said, I have no sympathy for the assaults that insists on staying behind to lurm and snipe. They often justify their actions with high damage scores even though the team lost the match, but never stop to consider how much BETTER the team would have done if they lead the charge.

[RestosIII]

Humpday, on 24 February 2017 - 08:37 AM, said:

The worst are the assaults that stay in the rear and not charge forward. They're assaults, assault something, unless you're an lrm boat, move to the front and get in the fight,

Admittedly, you do need to remember the Warhawks and Supernovas in long-range configurations that can't exactly charge into the enemy's brawler Assaults. Should they share armor and actually move in when things are getting nasty? Definitely. But they shouldn't be pushing the front line and fighting at 300 meters.

[Coolant]

Just turn off all chat, team chat, lance chat and VOIP and you never have to worry about it. I haven't had a single person say or type anything to me in months. (I do leave Lance Chat on).

Edited by Coolant, 24 February 2017 - 09:27 AM.

[Humpday]

Coolant, on 24 February 2017 - 09:26 AM, said:

Just turn off all chat, team chat, lance chat and VOIP and you never have to worry about it. I haven't had a single person say or type anything to me in months. (I do leave Lance Chat on).

How do you know what's happening? Just keep watch on the mini map?

[Marquis De Lafayette]

CharAznable1996, on 24 February 2017 - 07:21 AM, said:

ye I would just describe myself as an overly aggressive player. Usually I end up leeroy jenkins charging into enemy team in my atlas and then team rages at me . Sometimes when I reign in my aggression and sit behind a wall or rock I can have a decent game and they still rage at me for doing that though so I need to figure out how to be aggressive without dying. And no I never use LRM. I have short range pulse laser builds mostly on my assault mechs. Also I only survive probably about 1/10th of games I find it really hard to survive in a big atlas that everyone sees you as an xp pinata when you come out to fight.

Yep. Can be kind of a catch-22 when running short-range assault builds in QP. Play aggressive when your PUG team doesn't want to...die early and get blamed for the loss. Play more passive and wait on a oppportunity to present itself...if your team gets behind, you get blamed for not contributing more. Sorry to say...Life isn't fair, especially when you are running an assault....learn from constructive comments and shrug off the rest. All one can do.