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[razenWing]

So I pointed out before that once again... the scale is all messed up to over-emphasize the significance of a battlemech.

But... a few more observations...

1: If they are mercenaries, whose base is that? By definition of being a mercenary, probably means that you don't have time to dug a huge base inside a mountain and build a fancy door, right? So assuming you are just borrowing a corner of that base, where are all the "regulars?"

2: How are you "scouting" Charlie initially when a FREAKING RAVEN got all the way inside the base? At that point, shouldn't it be an emergency scramble with twenty tanks you see lining up on the side going after the lone Raven? I mean, the fact that it's inside the base, someone must have seen it from the windows.... right?

3: Judging from the shadow the Hrothgar dropship created, by "dropping" on top of us... I don't see how there's anything that can be done. It's more like... it's going to crush us all... gg. Even if you manage to down it in midair from a squadron of fighters, that is like 5 gajillion tons of metal debris falling on top of you...

4: Can we get more "destructy" post death wreckage? The dead Raven looks like it can just get right back up. There's few twisted metal and or blow open circuits... you know, visual clues that show you that something is truly bye bye.

[Alistair Winter]

You're right, none of this makes sense.

If this was a scouting mission, why didn't they at least have 30 minutes of walking through the landscape?

It's almost as if it was just a fancy tech demo to reveal that MW5 is coming and show some cool stuff they'd been working on.

Crazy.

[Idealsuspect]

Totally PGI

[PlayerUnknown]

just take my money now :-D

[Tordin]

Just to water the grass before the fire will get a hold and spread confusion and destruction.

Some people are baffled and jump the guns screaming heresy, wondering why theres an Raven in the tech demo. Seemed they didnt think about the fact that MW5 mercs game is set in 3015 - 3049/50. The Raven arent produced until 3024.

Which means the tech demo might be set in the time just when the Ravens from the Capellan Confederation/ House Liao were starting to get deployed. That might explain why the technician (the voiceguy) from the demo seemed so surprised by the new chassis. So the demo might be set around 3025 onward..

Edited by Tordin, 25 February 2017 - 07:16 AM.

[Alan Davion]

Tordin, on 25 February 2017 - 07:01 AM, said:

Just to water the grass before the fire will get a hold and spread confusion and destruction.

Some people are baffled and jump the guns screaming heresy, wondering why theres an Raven in the tech demo. Seemed they didnt think about the fact that MW5 mercs game is set in 3015 - 3049/50. The Raven arent produced until 3024.

Which means the tech demo might be set in the time just when the Ravens from the Capellan Federation/ House Liao were starting to get deployed. That might explain why the technician (the voiceguy) from the demo seemed so surprised by the new chassis. So the demo might be set around 3025 onward..

Don't forget that the chassis probably went through at least a few years of prototyping. That Raven was probably the 1X and not the 3L we all know and love/hate.

For all we know that scene could be from 3015 and that was an early prototype that this un-named merc captured for whatever house they were working for.

And also, it's the Capellan Confederation.

[Tordin]

Yeah thats true. Could indeed be the 1X.
Ops, ehem Confederation.

[cazidin]

MW:V needs the Urbanmech, the single best IS light.

[LordKnightFandragon]

Lol, if your a good merc, im sure you can rub 2 pennies together and get yourself a nice base, that or steal one, inherit one, idk. The base isnt that big a deal. Hiding it in a mountain seems like not a completely terrible idea, it would be harder to find, if not for the big military installation around it.

Really, the rest of it, its just a prealpha footage, and it looked cool. If only we had that kinda gameplay. 1, 2 weapons at a time, not LOLPHA ALL THE THINGS!!!!

That looked like fun gameplay. Then again, MWO did to, so im not holding out hope that the game will be amazing and not gunna get all worked up thinking it will be. I hope it will be cool though.

[Alan Davion]

LordKnightFandragon, on 25 February 2017 - 11:05 AM, said:

Lol, if your a good merc, im sure you can rub 2 pennies together and get yourself a nice base, that or steal one, inherit one, idk. The base isnt that big a deal. Hiding it in a mountain seems like not a completely terrible idea, it would be harder to find, if not for the big military installation around it.

Keep in mind that many, many planets across the Inner Sphere had bases built on them back during the Star League era.

I just re-read the Gray Death Saga recently, and planets like Trellwan, Helm, Glengarry and Caledonia all had Star League era bases built into mountains on them. I would not be surprised if something like 66-75% of the two-thousand human colonized planets had Star League bases on them.

[MauttyKoray]

Tordin, on 25 February 2017 - 07:01 AM, said:

Just to water the grass before the fire will get a hold and spread confusion and destruction.

Some people are baffled and jump the guns screaming heresy, wondering why theres an Raven in the tech demo. Seemed they didnt think about the fact that MW5 mercs game is set in 3015 - 3049/50. The Raven arent produced until 3024.

Which means the tech demo might be set in the time just when the Ravens from the Capellan Confederation/ House Liao were starting to get deployed. That might explain why the technician (the voiceguy) from the demo seemed so surprised by the new chassis. So the demo might be set around 3025 onward..

Not just that...but this game supposedly will lead up to right before the Clan Invasion. Its entirely possible that you're witnessing the end there.

[C E Dwyer]

Alistair Winter, on 25 February 2017 - 06:37 AM, said:

You're right, none of this makes sense.

If this was a scouting mission, why didn't they at least have 30 minutes of walking through the landscape?

It's almost as if it was just a fancy tech demo to reveal that MW5 is coming and show some cool stuff they'd been working on.

Crazy.

My sarcasm meter just went critical.

While I have on a neutral at best opinion of the prospects of MW5 happening or being good, there do seem a few people around here starting threads desperate for it to fail

[LordNothing]

i think if you hire a mercenary unit, part of the contract will entail facilities for the mercs to use while under contract. so i figure the mech bay is on loan from whoever hired them in the first place.

[razenWing]

Alan Davion, on 25 February 2017 - 11:24 AM, said:

Keep in mind that many, many planets across the Inner Sphere had bases built on them back during the Star League era.

I just re-read the Gray Death Saga recently, and planets like Trellwan, Helm, Glengarry and Caledonia all had Star League era bases built into mountains on them. I would not be surprised if something like 66-75% of the two-thousand human colonized planets had Star League bases on them.

Legitimate question, not saying whether it's absurd or not. But you mean... I got hired, for example... by planet Zulu Two to defend operation. King of Zulu Two tells me, "There might be a random abandon base on the side of Mount Unobtainium, go at it."

That about right?

And of course, I unpacked my twenty tanks (for some reason, I have 20 tanks) and use them as transport vehicles...

Cathy, on 25 February 2017 - 12:36 PM, said:

My sarcasm meter just went critical.

While I have on a neutral at best opinion of the prospects of MW5 happening or being good, there do seem a few people around here starting threads desperate for it to fail

You've ever saw the Youtube series "Everything wrong with ___movie title___"? Loving something doesn't stop one from crapping on it and have some fun at its expense every once in a while. Chill, bro.

[Alan Davion]

razenWing, on 25 February 2017 - 02:31 PM, said:

Legitimate question, not saying whether it's absurd or not. But you mean... I got hired, for example... by planet Zulu Two to defend operation. King of Zulu Two tells me, "There might be a random abandon base on the side of Mount Unobtainium, go at it."

That about right?

Close, but not quite.

The Noble Houses that control great swaths of human colonized space would in all likelihood know exactly which planets had such bases on them, and generally speaking would have them under control of their own military, i.e. House Units such as the Davion Brigade of Guards, which was made up of several different regiments.

But there are instances where such fortresses were not under control of a House unit, and would in fact be under the control of a Mercenary unit. The fortresses on Helm and Glengarry for example, where the Gray Death Legion was stationed during their contracts with House Marik and House Steiner, respectively, were unoccupied before being placed under the control of the Gray Death.

The GDL lost control of their base on Marik due to a conspiracy between a member of ComStar and several Marik military officials, but actually came away from that incident much stronger due to the discovery of a Star League Weapons Depot. The GDL came away with about a regiments worth of absolutely pristine Star League battlemechs.

The GDL was later based on the planet Glengarry in Steiner space, very close to what would become the Clan Occupation zone when 3050 rolled around, and they were stationed there until their eventual destruction in the later stages of the FedCom Civil War and the opening stages of the Word of Blake Jihad.

Another good example is the planet Outreach in what was first a Terran Hegemony world, before being taken over by House Liao, and then House Davion in the 4th Succession War, which he then gave to the Wolf's Dragoon's mercenary unit. It would remain an independent world after the FedCom split and Civil War, until it was nuked and taken over by the Word of Blake during the Jihad.

[Wintersdark]

Alister Winter is 100% correct above, but I'll play because why not.

razenWing, on 25 February 2017 - 06:02 AM, said:

So I pointed out before that once again... the scale is all messed up to over-emphasize the significance of a battlemech.

But... a few more observations...

1: If they are mercenaries, whose base is that? By definition of being a mercenary, probably means that you don't have time to dug a huge base inside a mountain and build a fancy door, right? So assuming you are just borrowing a corner of that base, where are all the "regulars?"

It's not unusual now for otherwise unused military bases to be leased/lent to forces in real life. So, lets assume, that worlds garrison forces are dramatically underfunded and they've got lots of mothballed military bases.

They hire some mercs when things start getting tense, and they are able to negotiate lower rates for those mercs by providing an otherwise mothballed base for them to use - reducing the Merc's costs/increasing their comfort/making them more effective/whatever.

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2: How are you "scouting" Charlie initially when a FREAKING RAVEN got all the way inside the base? At that point, shouldn't it be an emergency scramble with twenty tanks you see lining up on the side going after the lone Raven? I mean, the fact that it's inside the base, someone must have seen it from the windows.... right?

See #1 above. Military bases aren't magic things that are automatically staffed with oodles of actively crewed tanks and whatnot.

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3: Judging from the shadow the Hrothgar dropship created, by "dropping" on top of us... I don't see how there's anything that can be done. It's more like... it's going to crush us all... gg. Even if you manage to down it in midair from a squadron of fighters, that is like 5 gajillion tons of metal debris falling on top of you...

Yeah, it's a pretty big deal, and you need to GTFO. However, on the otherhand, it's not inconceivable that you may be able to make them reconsider where they're landing, because damage done to said dropship is damage done that needs to be repaired.

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4: Can we get more "destructy" post death wreckage? The dead Raven looks like it can just get right back up. There's few twisted metal and or blow open circuits... you know, visual clues that show you that something is truly bye bye.

Probably? I'll just re-reference Mr. Winter's post above.