22 replies to this topic

[WolvesX]

Yes, very much. Balance is KEY in a multiplayer game. Its impossible to balance MWO perfectly (like chess and even that is in favour of white).

BUT currently, with these changes, they make underperformers worse. Have a look here: https://mwomercs.com...bad-thing-pts2/

I explained how and why. If you have question, I'm very willing to answer them

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BACK to am I in favour of nerfing my favourite mechs?

Yes, if it helps the overall balance, DO IT!

Edited by WolvesX, 04 March 2017 - 06:17 AM.

[oldradagast]

I said no, but understand that my favorite mechs are often things that are average to sub-par: Hunchbacks, Awesomes, Cyclops, Warhawk, Jagermech, etc.

I don't even own a Kodiak or Battlemaster - I might pick up a Kodiak if the game is worth playing after this skill tree comes out - and I do own 1 Night Gyr dual Gauss + ERPPC mech, but that's about it for meta for me.

My point is that while any mechs that really are too good probably should be nerfed a bit for balance, there are far more mediocre to horrible mechs out there that are being utterly smashed into the dirt by quirk loss or reduction.

[Cy Mitchell]

I do not believe bringing all the low performance Mechs up to the level of the high performance Mechs is the way to balance. That is just bad for the game because it causes power creep. The bottom Mechs should be brought up but the top Mechs need to be brought down too.

Yes, I would be fine with my favorite Mech being "nerfed" to improved game balance. In fact, It happened after the re-scale with the Nova when it went from an OK Mech to Top Tier and then got three subsequent nerfs to bring it back in line.

[Chados]

Voted "no." My favorite mech is the Jester and it's already been nerfed twice and is eggshell fragile. It doesn't need more nerfs.

[Kuaron]

Of course, what a silly question.

If the end result is actually balanced, there is nothing to fear anyway. If my favourite Mech is underperforming, it won’t be nerfed, and if it’s overperforming, it should be either way!

[R Valentine]

My favorite mech is the Rifleman, so it'd be completely worthless if they did that. Nerf the Timberwolf. That I'm OK with.

[WolvesX]

Kuaron, on 04 March 2017 - 09:27 AM, said:

Of course, what a silly question.

If the end result is actually balanced, there is nothing to fear anyway. If my favourite Mech is underperforming, it won’t be nerfed, and if it’s overperforming, it should be either way!

Its not a silly question as you see in my thread about "nerfing underperformers" peopel state reasons why it is ok in thier mind to do so.

People have very diverse point of view sometimes.

[HammerMaster]

I voted yes. But let me add, I would give it all up for a month if need be. New engine (unreal) rebalance and nuke all quirks. Burn it all down to make it right.

[Kuaron]

WolvesX, on 04 March 2017 - 09:52 AM, said:

Its not a silly question as you see in my thread about "nerfing underperformers" peopel state reasons why it is ok in thier mind to do so.

People have very diverse point of view sometimes.

What are you trying to say?
That nerfing underperformers improves balance, implicitly?

[oldradagast]

Kuaron, on 04 March 2017 - 10:14 AM, said:

What are you trying to say?
That nerfing underperformers improves balance, implicitly?

It does, because once everyone only plays 1 mech and 1 build, perfect balance is achieved!

I'm not sure if I'm kidding with that statement or not given how badly the skill maze is going... ugh...

[Quaelgeist]

I voted no, since with my Locusts, the wrong ability of these mechs got nerfed - their agility. Locusts are about being fast and agile. I'd be okay with Locusts losing some weapon quirks or their third module slot, if this PTS is headed, where i think it is headed. That being said, i see no reason to nerf Locusts at all.
Also, bringing up the underperformers and keeping an eye on the power(creep) of new mechs is my preferred solution.
Did i mention, i actually have absolutely no problems with the game as it is right now?

[MrHail]

Quaelgeist, on 04 March 2017 - 10:23 AM, said:

I voted no, since with my Locusts, the wrong ability of these mechs got nerfed - their agility. Locusts are about being fast and agile. I'd be okay with Locusts losing some weapon quirks or their third module slot, if this PTS is headed, where i think it is headed. That being said, i see no reason to nerf Locusts at all.
Also, bringing up the underperformers and keeping an eye on the power(creep) of new mechs is my preferred solution.
Did i mention, i actually have absolutely no problems with the game as it is right now?

They fixed that....so irrelevant?

[Taxxian]

Last Patch fixed most problems so: Absolutely and wholeheartedly YES!!!

[Quaelgeist]

They did not fix it enough... *grumble*

[WolvesX]

Kuaron, on 04 March 2017 - 10:14 AM, said:

What are you trying to say?
That nerfing underperformers improves balance, implicitly?

Nice joke. ^^

But for my full view I link this here: http://bit.ly/2mYUMV8

Edited by WolvesX, 04 March 2017 - 01:38 PM.

[Kuaron]

WolvesX, on 04 March 2017 - 01:37 PM, said:

Nice joke. ^^

But for my full view I link this here: http://bit.ly/2mYUMV8

You mentioned your thread here already and it’s not like I hadn’t clicked it before.
It’s just not relevant for this argument here if the assumption is actual balance, not imbalance, rebalance or change for the sake of change. That’s why the “joke” – it’s the only consequence from what you said before.

But maybe you are right:
The question is not silly.
This way I can see to whose arguments I don’t need listening because they are not tending to improve the game. At least the people voting were honest enough to admit they don’t like balance but more their personal pets.
Or, if they like underperforming Mechs and therefore voted “no”, that they are understanding the term “balance”… differently from me and we’d have to solve this misunderstanding first.

[Rogue Jedi]

if PGI decide my 6ERSL 4MG Medusa is overperforming I can accept a nerf,

I know my second favorate, the Black Widow is overperforming and needs a bit of a nerf, however from past experiance my overperforming Mechs tend to be widely concidered to be rubbish so get buffed.

It is about time that one of my favorates recieved a nerf, and no the Warhammer "nerf" last month did not hurt its performance in any noticable way.

other favorates include the Ember, Spider (all but ananzi), Shadow Cat, Marauder, Cicada, Griffin and Crab.

[Angrah]

My favourite mech is a Commando... so no.

[Tier5 Kerensky]

I've played 1k with Mist Lynx and about 1.6k with Dire Wolf, so bring it on. Plus, specially Mist Lynx has received nice quirks buffs few patches ago.

[Andi Nagasia]

Angrah, on 04 March 2017 - 05:47 PM, said:

My favourite mech is a Commando... so no.

assuming the Commando was OP, would you still say no?