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[cazidin]

Greetings MechWarriors. Today I have a simple question. Is the Black Knight Hero Mech a good deal? It has 2 Missile Hardpoints in the Left Arm but with so few, is that useful as anything other than a shield arm? It doesn't even get ECM.

[Metus regem]

cazidin, on 27 February 2017 - 02:57 PM, said:

Greetings MechWarriors. Today I have a simple question. Is the Black Knight Hero Mech a good deal? It has 2 Missile Hardpoints in the Left Arm but with so few, is that useful as anything other than a shield arm? It doesn't even get ECM.

General consensus seems to be no.

How ever it is worth mentioning, depending on how my you like Black Knights it might be worth wile.. also should MRM's get in, she could get a MRM/30 and MRM/20 in there for a 50 point CQB missile punch.

Edited by Metus regem, 27 February 2017 - 02:59 PM.

[cazidin]

Metus regem, on 27 February 2017 - 02:58 PM, said:

General consensus seems to be no.

Why, PGI. Why would you do this?

[Snazzy Dragon]

I can't wait to see people stick LRMs on it.

Honestly though, MPL + 2SRM6+A on a big XL will probably be a decent skirmisher, if the missile tubes are tightly grouped on the arm.

[chucklesMuch]

cazidin, on 27 February 2017 - 02:57 PM, said:

Greetings MechWarriors. Today I have a simple question. Is the Black Knight Hero Mech a good deal? It has 2 Missile Hardpoints in the Left Arm but with so few, is that useful as anything other than a shield arm? It doesn't even get ECM.

Meh... Sure as LOLcust are fast, it doesn't tempt me...

[Metus regem]

cazidin, on 27 February 2017 - 02:59 PM, said:

Why, PGI. Why would you do this?

It's PGI?

[Gas Guzzler]

Snazzy Dragon, on 27 February 2017 - 02:59 PM, said:

I can't wait to see people stick LRMs on it.

Honestly though, MPL + 2SRM6+A on a big XL will probably be a decent skirmisher, if the missile tubes are tightly grouped on the arm.

You can do that on a Warhammer 7S, only you get a 3rd SRM 6 +A. It's way better.

The BK is pretty disappointing.

Edited by Gas Guzzler, 27 February 2017 - 03:00 PM.

[cazidin]

Snazzy Dragon, on 27 February 2017 - 02:59 PM, said:

I can't wait to see people stick LRMs on it.

Honestly though, MPL + 2SRM6+A on a big XL will probably be a decent skirmisher, if the missile tubes are tightly grouped on the arm.

Or, use it like the other Black Knights and turn the left arm into your shield arm.

It's more useful than putting LRMs on it!

Metus regem, on 27 February 2017 - 03:00 PM, said:

It's PGI?

Yeah, but they also gave us the Deputy Urbie! Also the 6 Energy King Crab looks nice.

[Snazzy Dragon]

Gas Guzzler, on 27 February 2017 - 03:00 PM, said:

You can do that on a Warhammer 7S, only you get a 3rd SRM 6 +A. It's way better.

The BK is pretty disappointing.

I never said that it wasn't disappointing, just that it wasn't a complete POS.

Edited by Snazzy Dragon, 27 February 2017 - 03:03 PM.

[Metus regem]

cazidin, on 27 February 2017 - 03:01 PM, said:

Yeah, but they also gave us the Deputy Urbie! Also the 6 Energy King Crab looks nice.

Well Deputy Dwag K-9 is fan service, nothing more, nothing less.

And the King Crab, is still King Crap.... Just now, rather than dumping AC/s into the ground you can dump energy discharges into the ground....

[Bud Crue]

I was really hoping for a Gauss Knight (or more likely for me an AC10 Knight), especially in light of the original art release whcih showed a BK with a ballistic mount. Alas. Missed opportunity.

[BigBenn]

The Black Knight is mostly a laser wizard, and nit much else. If PGI brings back the MW4-Mercs version, whatever that was, you'll be able to mount triple light gauss, maybe.

I do like it when PGI breaks the mold with a mech though.

[The Lobsters]

cazidin, on 27 February 2017 - 02:57 PM, said:

Greetings MechWarriors. Today I have a simple question. Is the Black Knight Hero Mech a good deal? It has 2 Missile Hardpoints in the Left Arm but with so few, is that useful as anything other than a shield arm? It doesn't even get ECM.

If you play it as a lasvom meta Poke Knight with an XL there isn't much to see here. If you play it as a standard engine Monty Python Black Knight brawler, a couple of srm's with mpl's are gonna rock big time.

[Gas Guzzler]

The Lobsters, on 27 February 2017 - 03:52 PM, said:

If you play it as a lasvom meta Poke Knight with an XL there isn't much to see here. If you play it as a standard engine Monty Python Black Knight brawler, a couple of srm's with mpl's are gonna rock big time.

That's great, can't already do that on a WHM-7S but with an extra missile pack or anything.

2 Missile hardpoints on a heavy are useless.

Edited by Gas Guzzler, 27 February 2017 - 04:03 PM.

[The Lobsters]

Gas Guzzler, on 27 February 2017 - 04:03 PM, said:

That's great, can't already do that on a WHM-7S but with an extra missile pack or anything.

2 Missile hardpoints on a heavy are useless.

I agree. Let's all just play Warhammers. They do generally outclass every other heavy, even post nerf.


ed. The WHM-7S with srm and mpl is probably one of my fav builds, it's so good I feel cheesy playing it and change mechs because I want a harder game. It does require an xl engine to pull off, the BLK take the standard engine better.

Same with the WHM-6D. Why would you choose a BLK over this? It's just better in every way, apart from requiring an xl to be decent.

Standard engine BLK's can have bits hacked off them and still bite your kneecaps off

Edited by The Lobsters, 27 February 2017 - 04:21 PM.

[Gas Guzzler]

The Lobsters, on 27 February 2017 - 04:09 PM, said:

I agree. Let's all just play Warhammers. They do generally outclass every other heavy, even post nerf.

The WHM-7S the worst and most unpopular Warhammer, and it outclasses this Black Knight hero. There is NOTHING good about this hero mech (aside from the camo), you only buy it if you love Black Knights and want to make do with 6E hardpoints.

And I'm pretty sure GHRs and MADs have outclassed the Warhammer since the nerf, that's my experience anyway, let alone all the Clan heavies that outclass all the IS heavies.

[The Lobsters]

Gas Guzzler, on 27 February 2017 - 04:11 PM, said:

The WHM-7S the worst and most unpopular Warhammer, and it outclasses this Black Knight hero. There is NOTHING good about this hero mech (aside from the camo), you only buy it if you love Black Knights and want to make do with 6E hardpoints.

And I'm pretty sure GHRs and MADs have outclassed the Warhammer since the nerf, that's my experience anyway, let alone all the Clan heavies that outclass all the IS heavies.

The worst Warhammer is still better than most. I nearly sold all my BLK's after they were nerfed. Then I switched to standard engines. The xl/laservom BLK's were overpowered, they had it coming. Their niche is tanky charger with hardpoint redundancy now. I'm looking forward to this hero as it fits that role v well. The srm's will give it some good finishing abilities.

[Mcgral18]

Metus regem, on 27 February 2017 - 02:58 PM, said:

General consensus seems to be no.

How ever it is worth mentioning, depending on how my you like Black Knights it might be worth wile.. also should MRM's get in, she could get a MRM/30 and MRM/20 in there for a 50 point CQB missile punch.

"Wait for FutureTech™" isn't very compelling to me

[mouser42]

snuggles time's Knight of color should be used yes used, both for the build and it's name for the black knight knight of color hero variant

[RAM]

Black Knight BLK-P-KNT 'PARTISAN' is a major missed opportunity for the Inner Sphere Targeting computer


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