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[Nameme99]

Hello everyone,

I'm a fairly experienced player at this point, but I've just had one of the oddest deaths I've ever encountered.

Let me set up the picture for you:
I'm piloting a STK-3H, and I have a dark cherry red CT from taking shots to the back. I'm face to face, about 400m away from a CTF-3L(L). I'm loading into him, med-lasers and LRMs, near my heat threshold, but not on it. He shoots me in the front, and then somehow kills my CT through near full frontal armor.






How is it possible that he damaged my CT from the front of my mech? I was looking DIRECTLY at him when I died. I asked him how and he just proceeded to gloat with things such as: "I'm the god of Mechwarrior" and "I pay lots of money, you just play for free."


I'm just trying to figure out if there is some hidden game mechanic in the background that I've never noticed before with regards to a weapon types, or if this is simply a bug or a glitch? I seriously doubt he'd be a cheater with a damage of 159, but I suppose it is a possibility?

Anyways, any explanation would be greatly appreciated!

See you on the battlefield!

[JENNER llC]

it happens, broken hit register, the game miscalculates hits esp with projectiles type weapons

a kodiak will gauss dead on centre and youll take back dmg and ur front armor is untouched

a few mechs do actually have rear hitboxes that can be legitamitly hit from the front, not sure if stalker is one of them (dont think so)

keep in mind this also affects you, next time your shooting someone you might magically do dmg to unintended places with hilarious consequences, but its kinda rare.. most of the time it will hit true but many times shots just wont register at all which is the worst

[Roc Ingersol]

I have it all figured out!

On your team is a panther that has an assist even though he did 0 damage. Emperorcleons shot ricocheted off the panther kills an enemy mech then bounces off that mech and hits your rear ct. The assist and kill counts the same way as a goal counts in hockey when the puck bounces in the net off a defender.

Just like Kennedy.

Edited by Chuck E Finley, 28 February 2017 - 08:37 PM.

[Koniving]

In all seriousness...

Your rear CT, LT and RT armor are all missing. This means someone wasted your rear armor while you were too busy to notice and then wasted you.

It happens a lot.

You were killed from the rear through the rear while you were distracted from the front.

[Chaosity]

Koniving, while I agree that a lot of the damage leading up to the kill may have been from others, but the actual killing shoot came from the front. OP says he was engaging a CTF-3L(L). The mission summary shows that the opposing team only had one CTF-3L(L) and that its pilot was Emporerclean. The death screen says he was destroyed by Emporerclean. Ergo, the killing shot to the rear CT was from the front.

[justcallme A S H]

Looks like the front armour bug.

Where you get "critical damage" to the front, but it still tells you that you have armour on the front (when you don't), then you've basically died to a crit-roll dmg on the LBX IMO.

Happens a bit to me, my CT isn't red yet I've got the "critical dmg" going off and one more shot my CT is magically cherry red/no armour even though it was OJ armour and there is no way a single tickle got it that far.

Just part of the game, random issues etc. It's not "that" common

Edited by justcallme A S H, 01 March 2017 - 04:54 AM.

[MOBAjobg]

Did your back armor get hit before the encounter with Emperorcleon?

Did you put ammo in its ct?

Imo, as your back armor is low, Chuck E Finley is spot on with the analysis of outcome.

Frankly, I think (most probable cause) there was an ammo explosion at your mech ct due to criticals via its back.

Edited by MOBAjobg, 01 March 2017 - 06:58 AM.

[Roc Ingersol]

I do have a serious question though.

In the heat of the 1v1 battle with him is there ANY way you might have torso twisted -- without thinking about it -- and given him any kind of lucky shot at your back? Ive noticed that after extensive practice twisting is becoming second nature for me to do when under fire and you obviously have more experience. The only time I dont is when im caught in the enemy push and its 3v1 or so, or I am the last mech standing. I usually just go down fighting while trying to take one of them with me. By the time I tried to twist when getting focused any one of my three hunchies would be done very quickly.

I was just wondering..... if a person was hit from the front with ppcs could splash damage wrap around and finish the rear ct?

Edited by Chuck E Finley, 01 March 2017 - 10:42 AM.

[The Basilisk]

Nameme99, on 28 February 2017 - 07:33 PM, said:

Hello everyone,

I'm a fairly experienced player at this point, but I've just had one of the oddest deaths I've ever encountered.

Let me set up the picture for you:
I'm piloting a STK-3H, and I have a dark cherry red CT from taking shots to the back. I'm face to face, about 400m away from a CTF-3L(L). I'm loading into him, med-lasers and LRMs, near my heat threshold, but not on it. He shoots me in the front, and then somehow kills my CT through near full frontal armor.






How is it possible that he damaged my CT from the front of my mech? I was looking DIRECTLY at him when I died. I asked him how and he just proceeded to gloat with things such as: "I'm the god of Mechwarrior" and "I pay lots of money, you just play for free."


I'm just trying to figure out if there is some hidden game mechanic in the background that I've never noticed before with regards to a weapon types, or if this is simply a bug or a glitch? I seriously doubt he'd be a cheater with a damage of 159, but I suppose it is a possibility?

Anyways, any explanation would be greatly appreciated!

See you on the battlefield!

There are several possibilitys to do that without any sort of game glitch or something fishy gong on.

-- Arty or airstrike (since dmg is coming from above or around you its pure bad luck it got your back)
But those are not listed in your readout (well never seen them listed though)
-- Enemy was significantly above or below your mech and shot your hull under or top side. Its one of the few downsides of barrelshaped/non humanoid mechs that its possible to hit their rear armor from low/high frontside.
-- Last weapon hits are:
> LBX
> MedPulse
> LargePulse
> LRM10
> FallDmg
> MedLaser
> CERLLaser !!!

So...he (the phract) possibly did not kill you but the clanner 1km away hitting you with his lasers from behind
Also the weapons are listed by time when they started hitting you so its possible that the fall dmg or LRMs where the weapons that realy killed you.

Edited by The Basilisk, 02 March 2017 - 02:12 AM.

[Shu Horus]

Could also be a misscalculation on the Servers behalf. If you have a Ping of more than 30 your "Game info refresh Rate" is slower than the Hit Reg Rate of Lasers.
This leads to the following possibility while the Centurion is burning some of it's Lasers into your front somone else finishes you off by shooting your back. But due to the delay actually the damage from the Laser (beeing counted every few miliseconds) was recorded als the last damage received before your mech reported dead over the Network. So the Laserburner receives the Kill as the system sees him as the last one doing recognised Damage to your mech, even if the true killing shot, which ripped your CT away from the back came from somone else.

Edited by Shu Horus, 02 March 2017 - 03:01 AM.

[Ragnahawk]

Could have easily been that you were twisted with your legs showing your butt. <which counts as rear ct.

[Burning2nd]

yeah it happens... Like when i run up on a assult from behind and open up on there back @ a 45 degree angle...

Im clearly hiting the center rear back... the back is glowing red where im hitting it.. but on the hit indicator... the from right or left torso is taken damage...

[Koniving]

Chaosity, on 28 February 2017 - 09:59 PM, said:

Koniving, while I agree that a lot of the damage leading up to the kill may have been from others, but the actual killing shoot came from the front. OP says he was engaging a CTF-3L(L). The mission summary shows that the opposing team only had one CTF-3L(L) and that its pilot was Emporerclean. The death screen says he was destroyed by Emporerclean. Ergo, the killing shot to the rear CT was from the front.

Still possible the rear torso was destroyed.

Certain mechs have issues with hitboxes. King Crab has several points which allow you to damage front torso from the rear.
The Stalker has two such points. One is slightly under the main body but above the pelvis, allowing rear torso hits. The other, "debated" as in there are claims it exists but it is situational and only susceptible to ballistic weapons, occurs supposedly if the attacker is under 90 meters and both enemies moving toward each other. Exact location isn't known. But basically it usually occurs when shots are fired while ramming each other.

That's all I got. Only other thing is a shot registered the impact after it went "through" you. Rare but it does happen. Last time I saw that was late 2013.

[Husker Dude]

justcallme A S H, on 28 February 2017 - 10:11 PM, said:

Looks like the front armour bug.

Where you get "critical damage" to the front, but it still tells you that you have armour on the front (when you don't), then you've basically died to a crit-roll dmg on the LBX IMO.

Happens a bit to me, my CT isn't red yet I've got the "critical dmg" going off and one more shot my CT is magically cherry red/no armour even though it was OJ armour and there is no way a single tickle got it that far.

Just part of the game, random issues etc. It's not "that" common

I've been seeing this a bit lately myself.