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[zudukai]

does anybody have a build carrying an cLBX/20 in a clan heavy that doesn't suck?

so far i'm looking squarely at the timber and cringing...

so... many... restrictions...

[Wintersdark]

I ran one in the missiley Orion IIC with SRM's for a brawler. It didn't suck, but it was an Orion, so... that.

The LBX-20 is very strong in the Spirit Bear.


The problem is that most Clan heavies either lack the space to mount them effectively, the tonnage or simply cannot physically mount one at all.

The locked ES/FF thing and fixed slots really makes it difficult to mount a weapon that large.


Edit: It was this Orion IIC-A.

Edited by Wintersdark, 26 February 2017 - 10:56 PM.

[Wintersdark]

Interestingly, the Hellbringer can make good use of one (though it suffers from tonnage issues as it's lacking ES) because for whatever reason, despite having now spread quirks, the Hellbringer fires LBX20 bursts much tighter than, say, a Direwolf does.

[zudukai]

thanks, the best i had really thought seriously about had terrible ammo placement causing loss of weapon issues..
http://mwo.smurfy-ne...24220aed1ca8a5a

or some funky bracket builds that were spread across the mech..

though a deadside MDD might be "okay" it's probably going to be the Orion that will do it best, as the SMN does not appear to have enough tonnage to support it with anything else, maybe the hellbringer, but it's not going to have the extra staying power of a 75t mech.

[Mad Ox]

While not a heavy, I roll one on my Stormcrow and that works out rather well with ERML backups.

I take great delight in shotgunning Flying Lights out of the sky. PULL!!!!

[Wintersdark]

zudukai, on 27 February 2017 - 02:31 AM, said:

thanks, the best i had really thought seriously about had terrible ammo placement causing loss of weapon issues..
http://mwo.smurfy-ne...24220aed1ca8a5a

or some funky bracket builds that were spread across the mech..

though a deadside MDD might be "okay" it's probably going to be the Orion that will do it best, as the SMN does not appear to have enough tonnage to support it with anything else, maybe the hellbringer, but it's not going to have the extra staying power of a 75t mech.

I don't like it on the tbr specifically because you end up in weird situations when you end up with (nothing to do with explosions) ammo destroyed but not the weapon. I spent a long time trying to make that work back when the clan pack was released. Also, I end up feeling like "I could build this mech to be way more dangerous" (also my problem with the Storm Look Wang)



The Orion is at least effective, a baby Spirit. Bear much like the IS Orion is often a baby AS7. And a brawler hefiing up 68 damage SRM/lbx blasts without ever overheating is a viable threat. Not the best hotboxes, but it did just get some defensive buffs and is basically a light assault now.

Things like the Stormcrow and others lose that. They can mount a lbx20, but they're either just firing it, or it and lasers. Erml's are no good in a brawler where the LBX20 is best.

I love my MDD a lot, but it's hotboxes are much too poor and it lacks the sturdiness to really use a lbx20 well.

Ironically, I find I do better with an lbx20 on my Adder than I do on a lot of more midsized chassis. Can be a back alley mugger with that

[Champion of Khorne Lord of Blood]

Orion IIC-A is just about the best Clan heavy when it comes to using an LBX20, having some backup weaponry, and having durability.

Hunchback IIC is the closest thing to a heavy that the Clans have that can mount two LBX20 at once though, and its rather effective at doing so.

http://mwo.smurfy-ne...4088898dc8db307

Edited by Dakota1000, 27 February 2017 - 10:26 AM.

[Wintersdark]

Dakota1000, on 27 February 2017 - 10:25 AM, said:

Orion IIC-A is just about the best Clan heavy when it comes to using an LBX20, having some backup weaponry, and having durability.

Hunchback IIC is the closest thing to a heavy that the Clans have that can mount two LBX20 at once though, and its rather effective at doing so.

http://mwo.smurfy-ne...4088898dc8db307

The Direwolf is basically the only other Clan mech able to viably run dual LBX20's. The Kodiak KDK3 *can*, but doing so comes at a tremendous opportunity cost in only having 4E left in the two arms, spread wide and low, for hardpoints after equipping those.

[Vetal]

I use lbx20 on timber. Pretty good stuff with srms and lppc. And that sound of shot...awesome.

[zudukai]

yep, definitely ran the twin LBX/20 on my hunch 2c, it's not the best preforming but it feels fantastic, i also did a "super centuion" stormcrow with 4xSRM4 and the LB/20 but it runs very hot, and was also fairly effective.

i had high hopes that the night gyr was going to be able to run two, in the arms. but FF armor took a dump on that idea.

i suppose if one had the timber hero you could run twin LBX/20's but then you are really limiting your self from backup weapons, maybe some ER smalls... maybe i'll throw one together in smurfy for a laugh.

it's really a shame that the LBX has such perceived prowess when the weapon while interesting has many drawbacks that make it a mediocre weapon at best... doesn't make me want to run one any less however, but when you combine massive chassis drawbacks to an OK weapon, you get a crap platform.

Edited by zudukai, 27 February 2017 - 01:50 PM.

[zudukai]

2xLBX/20 TBR (it's terrible) http://mwo.smurfy-ne...62efc806c83925c

also that bracket build i mentioned, not great but has front loaded damage;

http://mwo.smurfy-ne...b924126489735ed

1xlb/20, 4x4, 1xERppc

[Champion of Khorne Lord of Blood]

Scorch can also run 2 LBX20 with 4 SRM4 (or 4 ASRM6 for those brave few) while still moving over 70kph. But the paywall.

Alternatively KDK-3 with quad LBX10 is basically a rapid fire dual LBX20, but I always picked the UACs over it.

[zudukai]

Dakota1000, on 27 February 2017 - 02:46 PM, said:

Scorch can also run 2 LBX20 with 4 SRM4 (or 4 ASRM6 for those brave few) while still moving over 70kph. But the paywall.

Alternatively KDK-3 with quad LBX10 is basically a rapid fire dual LBX20, but I always picked the UACs over it.

yeah, the warhawk can also pull off twin lb20, but specifically with the warhawk, the jam quirks actually make ultra cannon builds viable brawlers, the KDK can carry enough cannons that quantity can compensate for jam chance..

i'm sure at some point i'll consider getting the scorch but not until PGI allows the stand alone purchases of that hero... it is impressive though.. it's really lame that i cannot get the huntsman hero in this way right now.

but more on point, is the hellbringer better then the ebon jaguar for LBX/20 purposes?

[VonBruinwald]

I run a Maddog with an LBX20 and 3ERML. Plenty of ammo and rather easy on the heat makes it a surprisingly good brawler. Tried twin LBX20s but the ammo just isn't there, twin LBX10s works wonders though.

[AncientRaig]

I run this on my TBR-C champ: http://mwo.smurfy-ne...df51f742e139c6b It's a little toasty, but it's a brutal beast.

[Wintersdark]

zudukai, on 27 February 2017 - 04:57 PM, said:

yeah, the warhawk can also pull off twin lb20, but specifically with the warhawk, the jam quirks actually make ultra cannon builds viable brawlers, the KDK can carry enough cannons that quantity can compensate for jam chance..

i'm sure at some point i'll consider getting the scorch but not until PGI allows the stand alone purchases of that hero... it is impressive though.. it's really lame that i cannot get the huntsman hero in this way right now.

but more on point, is the hellbringer better then the ebon jaguar for LBX/20 purposes?

EBJ has more tonnage, but for whatever reason the LBX20 fired by a bell ringer fires WAY tighter than one on many other Mechs, though I haven't tested the EBJ specifically.

I actually got into a argument here about it, as I was testing with a DWF and assumed all Mechs would spread the same without quirks, but that's demonstrably not the case.

[justcallme A S H]

zudukai, on 27 February 2017 - 02:31 AM, said:

thanks, the best i had really thought seriously about had terrible ammo placement causing loss of weapon issues..
http://mwo.smurfy-ne...24220aed1ca8a5a

I used to run that, I went back to THIS build.

The SRM4s let you essentially fire twice and just finish off with a LBX20, usually kills off most mechs. I can usually net 350-550dmg in FP and 2-3 kills, which is pretty much as good as it gets as a brawler and usually by then I've lost a torso or something similar lol.

You can't be a first mech in brawler, or if you are you find a corner to use to your advantage.

But ye the ammo placement is an issue, hence SRM4s and getting an arm back to shield with, it made quite a difference in longevity.

OR try THIS - it does spread dmg pretty badly as a TBR spread is already rubbish.

[SuperFunkTron]

Hopefully this hasn't been posted already. This thing is brutally effective and despite being only short range, the two flamers overheat enemies quickly and help you survive a lot longer than you'd express, especially when you have cover to work with.

http://[smurfy]http://mwo.smurfy-ne...116b410baccd2cd[/smurfy]

[krevLL]

I have this MDD right now. It works, but the LB20X is great only when there's no armor left. You need to manage heat and spread damage at mid range with the 3 ERMLs, and when there's almost no armor left, go in with the SRMs and follow up with the shotgun. Mad Dogs get too hot to be in anything more than a quick burst or backstab so you gotta be sure you'll win.

Also had 4SRM6,LB20X on my TBR-S but that lasted two matches, before I figured there were better ways to waste 75 tons. That and I hate the way anything missile looks on a TBR.

[godmonkey]

forget the HBR

ebon jag with 7 spl and one lbx 20. thats a damned good brawler