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[Jay Leon Hart]

Appogee, on 13 March 2017 - 11:10 AM, said:

2. The new respecing costs - both CBill and XP - are also designed to reduce available CBills, encourage players to buy Mechs with real cash, and pay to convert Mech XP to GXP?

Nope. Nope nopity nope. There is no C-Bill cost to respec. There is a one time C-Bill cost to unlock each node but once you do, that's it, XP only. There is no C-Bill cost to respec. I'm so sick of seeing this presented as an argument against the Skill Tree.

There are many things wrong with the Skill Tree (and many things right with it) but this? This isn't one of them.

Edited by Jay Leon Hart, 13 March 2017 - 01:50 PM.

[Appogee]

Jay Leon Hart, on 13 March 2017 - 12:25 PM, said:

Nope. Nope nopity nope. There is no C-Bill cost to respec. There is a one time C-Bill cost to unlock each node but once you do, that's it, XP only. There is no C-Bill cost to respec. I'm so sick of seeing this presented as an argument against the Skill Tree.

There are many things wrong with the Skill Tree (and many things right with it) but this? This isn't one of them.

Got it thanks. I have updated my earlier post accordingly.

[FireStoat]

Clanner Scum, on 13 March 2017 - 12:06 PM, said:

Reddit and the forums are so toxic right now with crying man baby's that it's irritating.

I double dog dare you to name any other Online video game, either PC or Console, starting from 1996 when Diablo was released, until now, that is about to take away as many hours of gameplay and achievement from players as this one. Any other game, including strategic, MMORPG, RPG, First person shooter - any of them.

PGI is about to set a record. It's going to have some complaints about it, and you're delusional in wanting reality to change on that point just for your tastes.

[Clanner Scum]

FireStoat, on 13 March 2017 - 12:58 PM, said:

I double dog dare you to name any other Online video game, either PC or Console, starting from 1996 when Diablo was released, until now, that is about to take away as many hours of gameplay and achievement from players as this one. Any other game, including strategic, MMORPG, RPG, First person shooter - any of them.

PGI is about to set a record. It's going to have some complaints about it, and you're delusional in wanting reality to change on that point just for your tastes.

That's fine I understand the outrage, but this is too damn much. People are acting like children and need to grow tf up and realize it's just a video game...

[Widowmaker1981]

FireStoat, on 13 March 2017 - 12:58 PM, said:

I double dog dare you to name any other Online video game, either PC or Console, starting from 1996 when Diablo was released, until now, that is about to take away as many hours of gameplay and achievement from players as this one. Any other game, including strategic, MMORPG, RPG, First person shooter - any of them.

PGI is about to set a record. It's going to have some complaints about it, and you're delusional in wanting reality to change on that point just for your tastes.

Well.. diablo 3 did, for one - when they correctly decided having an online auction house ruined everything that makes Diablo a good game, and removed it while simultaneously making much harder difficulty levels and new much stronger items to complete them with - everyones tricked out, 1000s of hours endgame chars became early level characters that could get better items in 30 minutes of gameplay. Yeah, they didnt technically remove anything, but the net effect was the same thing.

[Marius Evander]

That comic fails to cover all the cbill cost reworking masking the true villian in increased xp costs on new mechs trying to make people mc convert old xp to gxp. cbills is never going to be the problem for me gxp will run out 1st.

N0ni, on 13 March 2017 - 11:58 AM, said:

I would like to see a comic version of Loving A Nomad.

You couldn't even link to its existence on reddit on these forums or you would get forum and in game permabanned. Hell be careful you dont get permabanned for typing LaN.

Oh crap, now ive done it, been nice knowing ya'll.

FireStoat, on 13 March 2017 - 12:58 PM, said:

I double dog dare you to name any other Online video game, either PC or Console, starting from 1996 when Diablo was released, until now, that is about to take away as many hours of gameplay and achievement from players as this one. Any other game, including strategic, MMORPG, RPG, First person shooter - any of them.

PGI is about to set a record. It's going to have some complaints about it, and you're delusional in wanting reality to change on that point just for your tastes.

Errr WoW lvl 63 greens replacing Naxxramas epics? that people spent infinite amounts of gametime to get, lvl 72 greens replacing Black Temple gear? lvl 81 greens replacing lich king ice crown citadel legendaries? I woke up when they added pandas and oranges for EVERYONE.

Edited by Cadoazreal, 13 March 2017 - 02:42 PM.

[DAYLEET]

Cadoazreal, on 13 March 2017 - 02:38 PM, said:

Errr WoW lvl 63 greens replacing Naxxramas epics? that people spent infinite amounts of gametime to get, lvl 72 greens replacing Black Temple gear? lvl 81 greens replacing lich king ice crown citadel legendaries? I woke up when they added pandas and oranges for EVERYONE.

That's called new content and powercreep, does not remove any progress and you dont have to play those higher level maps. In MWO, content and powercreep is new mech and we deal with it like this. *click store button, buy latest meta* or wait 4 months for it to be released for cbills. The general objection from the community about the tree wasnt be about powercreep and having new content to grind, it was grinding the same content, losing time invested for later.

[Johnny Z]

The "all afternooner" is the funniest part.

[Deathlike]

This is clearly the content the game needs.

If only there was a Dilbert version...

[Deltree Zero]

Clanner Scum, on 13 March 2017 - 01:18 PM, said:

That's fine I understand the outrage, but this is too damn much. People are acting like children and need to grow tf up and realize it's just a video game...

I disagree.

A video game is something which costs from 0.25$ to 60.00$. People, more than a few people, have spent over 1000.00$ on MWO. Some people care about what PGI spends player-paid money on. If paying players knew PGI was going to waste SO MUCH time and money "developing" at least 4 game breaking changes, which we all had to beg them not to do, I don't think they would be spending any money on MWO at all.

Its both, just a video game and also my m*****f***ing money.

My

Money.

Sorry, but that's business.

[GenghisJr]

Appogee, on 13 March 2017 - 06:30 AM, said:

It has driven the playerbase to new levels of Creativity!

This was posted on Reddit/Outreach - but I don't think it's been posted here yet.

the community makes this game so much fun

[FuhNuGi]

So, after all the new and change and fluff they are adding...

The question is...

Will I still want to buy a mech pack?

I mean, in a pack are a few mechs, I may not like half of them for any number of reasons, play a couple and favor 1...

If I no longer need 3 to master, why buy the ones I do not need as I no longer need 3?

With this (non-)incentive removed, I feel I can wait beyond pre-release until most chassis come up for c-Bill release...

So, still want to buy a mech pack?

[Scout Derek]

FuhNuGi, on 13 March 2017 - 05:27 PM, said:

So, after all the new and change and fluff they are adding...

The question is...

Will I still want to buy a mech pack?

I mean, in a pack are a few mechs, I may not like half of them for any number of reasons, play a couple and favor 1...

If I no longer need 3 to master, why buy the ones I do not need as I no longer need 3?

With this (non-)incentive removed, I feel I can wait beyond pre-release until most chassis come up for c-Bill release...

So, still want to buy a mech pack?

Yeah Fam. Gotta have dem special C-Bill boosted (S) variants and the heroes.

[Druarc]

They are giving you all the cash for the the modules they're giving you back all your xp to spend where you want so not sure what they're taken by from the you? My main goto mechs easily have enough xp to skill out as well as a whole bunch more and any others will give me something to do. Plus as a lazy B I'm help no more module swapping required.

Not sure how many people here have worked on a serious code change or upgrade, but these things don't magically happen over night.

[Scout Derek]

Druarc, on 13 March 2017 - 05:50 PM, said:

They are giving you all the cash for the the modules they're giving you back all your xp to spend where you want so not sure what they're taken by from the you? My main goto mechs easily have enough xp to skill out as well as a whole bunch more and any others will give me something to do. Plus as a lazy B I'm help no more module swapping required.

Not sure how many people here have worked on a serious code change or upgrade, but these things don't magically happen over night.

people don't use modules on all their mechs, so now they have to grind for extra C-bills as needed in order to min/max the skill tree on them. So if someone only uses modules for half on their 40 mechs, that means they have to grind 6 Million for those twenty he still has. That's 120 Million Cbills he has to grind if he wants to outfit the rest of his mechs via the new skill tree.

[Druarc]

If they think it's a grind then why do it? I tried the new system on test and it wasn't brilliant but I prefer it to the current one, thought it gave me more choice on how I skilled out my mechs to suit my play style.

I get some players are upset, but some of them seem to think PGI is personally out to get the player base.

[SlippnGriff]

lmao I love a good non-fiction read

Also knowing them they'll ban ya for this, it's how they dun got sader. YOU'RE SLANDERING THEY'RE GOOD NAME (insert Kappa emote)