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[The6thMessenger]

Any ideas about the quirks of the incoming resistance heroes?

Probably something like below.

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UM-K9

RATE OF HEAT LOSS: 18.00 %
UAC JAM-CHANCE: -30.00 %
BALLISTIC COOLDOWN: 10.00 %
BALLISTIC RANGE: 10.00%
ENERGY RANGE: 10.00%
ENERGY COOLDOWN: 10.00%
LARGE LASER RANGE: 10.00%
BASE ARMOR (CT): 15.00
BASE ARMOR (LT): 10.00
BASE ARMOR (RT): 10.00
BASE ARMOR (LA): 8.00
BASE ARMOR (RA): 8.00
BASE ARMOR (LL): 10.00
BASE ARMOR (RL): 10.00

Since the K9 uses two major weapons, it would come with 2 weapon-specific quirks. And being Police use, it would be hardened for collisions.

How i figured out the values is that i evaluated the trend of the other variant, in relation to the other variants.

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>The R63 has a total of 70% of the sum of general weapon quirks.
>The R60 has a total of 50% of the sum of general weapon quirks, least weapon bonuses, but has a total of 100% bonus in armor quirk.
>The R60L has a total of 75%, but it has a 10% AC20 cooldown quirk.

Because of the weapon-specific quirk not as usable with every other weapon, i decided that for the sake of calculation it's only worth half with the AC20-CD is really only worth 5%. This puts the "considered" quirk value of R60L to 70%, simmilar to the R63, making their simmilar armor quirk amount justifiable. Now calculating 20% of difference, each 1% would add 5% of more armor quirk bonus. The target is 60%, of "considered" quirk value, so there should be 50% armor bonus, since it's 10% short of the "considered" quirk.

Though 60% is the considered quirk value, the target is 80%, that is only for general quirks. And because it has two main weapons, i can add two weapon-specific quirks that only half of the value is considered.

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KGC-KJ

PPC COOLDOWN: 10.00 %
BALLISTIC COOLDOWN: 10.00 %
BALLISTIC VELOCITY: 15.00 %
ENERGY COOLDOWN: 10.00 %
TORSO TURN RATE (YAW): 25.00 %
BASE ARMOR (LA): 17.00
BASE ARMOR (RA): 17.00

Kaiju is already an energy-version 000, i just have to switch the relevant weapon-centric quirks to the PPC arm weapons.

Edited by The6thMessenger, 17 March 2017 - 05:33 AM.

[Bud Crue]

TLDR: Look to the current variants, check the skills tree announcement nerf pdfs, and extrapolate from there. If you think the skills tree is abandoned, look to history.

Offensively, it depends on if the skills tree is really just delayed or not. If it is indeed coming and they still plan on randomly nerfing mechs with an emphasis on nerfing the offensive quirks of the lowest tier mechs the most, then we should be able to guestimate pretty well on the kinds and degree of quirks that these things will end up with; by comparing existing variants, the manner in which their quirks are reduced. Looking at history however we must also assume if a mech has ECM or jump jet capability PGI historically avoids or significantly limits quirks. Example: Compare the Enforcer Hero to the nerfed enforcers and other mechs with ECM and I would conclude that it might not have any offensive quirks, and if it does they will be inconsequential. It's defensive quirks will be similar to those of its chassis mates though possibly slightly less. So too compare the Grasshopper Hero to other hoppers, and I would guess it won't have much in the way of offensive quirks but might get a bit of bonus armor or structure as its chassis mates have.

Likewise, history also shows that as heros they will, at least initially have slightly higher than normal quirks than their chassis mates, just keep in mind that they will fall one way or another unless the mech is especially bad.

Edited by Bud Crue, 17 March 2017 - 05:57 AM.

[The6thMessenger]

Bud Crue, on 17 March 2017 - 05:56 AM, said:

TLDR: Look to the current variants, check the skills tree announcement nerf pdfs, and extrapolate from there. If you think the skills tree is abandoned, look to history.

I was hoping for actual numbers.

[Bud Crue]

The6thMessenger, on 17 March 2017 - 05:58 AM, said:

I was hoping for actual numbers.

I'd have to give it a lot more study. Based on the skills tree spread sheets, 5-10% on any given offensive quirk, excepting jam chance which is based on number and location of the ballistic mount and that may be as high 40% on single hardpoint low mount variants.

As to the type of quirks who knows? Sorry.

[TercieI]

The6thMessenger, on 17 March 2017 - 05:58 AM, said:

I was hoping for actual numbers.

Three months in advance? Are you daft? We don't even have quirks for the ASN, which releases in four days.

Note: I support this. If I was responsible for quirks, I might make general comments, but I wouldn't set anything in stone until about release time so I could react to the current meta. (Nevermind that the actual lead designer wouldn't know the meta if it bit him in the tookus).

Edited by TercieI, 17 March 2017 - 06:10 AM.