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[brroleg]

And IS fanboys still whining about how clan tech OP?

I dont even.

[FupDup]

This is one of the few rare cases where a Clan item is bulkier than the corresponding IS item. The only other case I know of are RACs, where Clan versions are 1 slot larger (but have longer range, so...).

This isn't very important in the grand scheme of things because:
1. Both versions of the vanilla AC/2 are poop.

2. The Clans aren't supposed to even have a vanilla AC/2 to begin with.

[Trev Firestorm]

Clan AC = LBX slug, also way to take an edge case when every single other ballistic favors clan tech for crits/tons

Edit: And speaking of tons, this still favors clans in that regard.

Edited by Trev Firestorm, 28 March 2017 - 11:41 AM.

[Juodas Varnas]

That's because the "Clan AC2" isnt a real thing.

It's just a permanent placeholder for the LBX ACs with slugs instead of cluster shot.

[Mcgral18]

Guys, the AC2 is smaller! THREE HOLE SLOTS smaller!

Let's ignore the cGauss being 3 tons lighter!

[MechaBattler]

Better hide my Blackjack before it's considered meta.

[Athom83]

MechaBattler, on 28 March 2017 - 12:14 PM, said:

Better hide my Blackjack before it's considered meta.

To late. http://metamechs.com...-lists/is-list/ Its ranked Tier 2.

[Jackal Noble]

Mcgral18, on 28 March 2017 - 11:38 AM, said:

Guys, the AC2 is smaller! THREE HOLE SLOTS smaller!

Let's ignore the cGauss being 3 tons lighter!

I fail to see how bringing up cGauss addresses the OP. Unless the objective is to score likes.

[Trev Firestorm]

JackalBeast, on 28 March 2017 - 12:40 PM, said:

I fail to see how bringing up cGauss addresses the OP. Unless the objective is to score likes.

Because neither are 1:1 comparisons and thus all ballistics are fair game, if you want to compare Clan AC to something it needs to be IS LBX because clan AC /is/ the clan LBX but with slug ammo.

[Mcgral18]

JackalBeast, on 28 March 2017 - 12:40 PM, said:

I fail to see how bringing up cGauss addresses the OP. Unless the objective is to score likes.

Note his OP

He correlates the AC2 (an altogether mediocre weapon system) as an argument against the superiority of Clam tech

I provided one (of many) examples of superior Clam tech which could be substituted
I could have said that the cAC2 is also a ton lighter, but that didn't have the same impact


The OP could very well be a satirical post, but the poster has shown in the past to be a Clam apologist
That means Ship Toast

Edited by Mcgral18, 28 March 2017 - 12:46 PM.

[Jackal Noble]

Yep, C-AC2
Unless you are boating 2s on the Clan side of things, it's not really worth the crap stain dps. Hunchie2C, Night Gyr, and Dire are about the only C-mechs that can actually make the AC2, or more often the UAC2 even remotely viable. I only ever throw a couple of AC2s on my gyr after I get tired of jamming UACs, and want to still have some continual fire while jams clear.

Save some Inner Sphere variants that are quirked proper and big enough running AT LEAST 2 AC2s, and even then they are situational.

But in all seriousness, not a big deal. Certainly won't gain any traction in the current clime on these forums. Besides bigger fish to fry.

Mcgral18, on 28 March 2017 - 12:46 PM, said:

The OP could very well be a satirical post, but the poster has shown in the past to be a Clam apologist
That means Ship Toast

OK Fiiiiiiiiiiiiinnne, I retract my assertion, apologies.

Edited by JackalBeast, 28 March 2017 - 12:53 PM.

[brroleg]

JackalBeast, on 28 March 2017 - 12:52 PM, said:

OK Fiiiiiiiiiiiiinnne, I retract my assertion, apologies.

Self-censorship.

Thats why we cant have nice things.

[Lykaon]

brroleg, on 28 March 2017 - 11:32 AM, said:

And IS fanboys still whining about how clan tech OP?

I dont even.

Clan AC2 is 3 crits and 5 tons I.S. AC2 is 1 crit 6 tons
Clan AC5 is 4 crits and 7 tons I.S. AC5 is 5 crits 8 tons
Clan AC10 is 5 crits 10 tons I.S. AC10 is 7 crits and 12 tons
Clan AC20 is 9 crits and 12 tons I.S. AC20 is 10 crits 14 tons

So just the AC2 is bulkier yet lighter than it's I.S. counterpart but every other AC in the clan arsenal is both lighter and smaller.

Are you seriously using this as justification for a counter argument to ..

"And IS fanboys still whining about how clan tech OP?"

You are convienently overlooking

one third smaller double heatsinks
half crit cost Endo Steel
Half crit cost ferro fibrious that is also more efficent
one third smaller XL engines that survive a side torso destruction
Half tonnage missile launchers (both SRM and LRM)
Gauss rifles weighing in at 3 tons lower and 1 crit less
1 crit 4 ton ER lrg lasers
lighter and smaller ER-PPCs
Lighter and much longer ranged lrg pulse lasers
Smaller and lighter ECM and active probes


So I guess one hand picked example of having only a tonnage advantage and not also the crit cost advantages totally validates your stance.

Weak argument and easily defeated.

Edited by Lykaon, 28 March 2017 - 02:47 PM.

[Jay Leon Hart]

brroleg, on 28 March 2017 - 11:32 AM, said:

And IS fanboys still whining about how clan tech OP?

I dont even.

What is an AC2? Never heard of it. Is it like Gauss or PPC?

[Felicitatem Parco]

Clan AC/2 weighs 1 ton less than the IS version and has more than 150m greater range.

So, it costs 2 slots to save 1 ton and add 150m+ range. I am not upset about it.

[Mole]

Clan AC/2 is not a real thing. The reason the Clan AC/2 is bulkier than the IS AC/2 is because the Clan AC/2 is only there to provide a solid slug option for the Clan LB2-X AC. In lore, the clans have completely abandoned normal autocannons in favor of Ultra Autocannons and LB-X cannons. The Clan LB-X cannons are supposed to be able to switch between solid slug ammunition and cluster ammunition. But PGI is too silly to know how to make an actual ammunition switching mechanic. So instead of making the Clan LB2-X cannon able to switch munitions during the game they added the Clan AC/2 for those of us who want solid slugs. In reality the Clan AC/2 and the Clan LB2-X are the same weapons. The fact that there are two different weapons is just PGI's halfassed attempt to pretend we have the option of switching ammunition types. Since they are the same gun, they have the same stats. Critical slots included. LB2-X is and always has been bulkier than the IS AC/2. Also, I'd just like to point out how silly of an argument it is to claim Clans are obviously underpowered because clan AC/2s, the weapon that nobody in their right mind uses, are bulkier than IS AC/2s.

[Felicitatem Parco]

Mole, on 28 March 2017 - 03:12 PM, said:

Clan AC/2 is not a real thing. The reason the Clan AC/2 is bulkier than the IS AC/2 is because the Clan AC/2 is only there to provide a solid slug option for the Clan LB2-X AC. In lore, the clans have completely abandoned normal autocannons in favor of Ultra Autocannons and LB-X cannons. The Clan LB-X cannons are supposed to be able to switch between solid slug ammunition and cluster ammunition. But PGI is too silly to know how to make an actual ammunition switching mechanic. So instead of making the Clan LB2-X cannon able to switch munitions during the game they added the Clan AC/2 for those of us who want solid slugs. In reality the Clan AC/2 and the Clan LB2-X are the same weapons. The fact that there are two different weapons is just PGI's halfassed attempt to pretend we have the option of switching ammunition types. Since they are the same gun, they have the same stats. Critical slots included. LB2-X is and always has been bulkier than the IS AC/2. Also, I'd just like to point out how silly of an argument it is to claim Clans are obviously underpowered because clan AC/2s, the weapon that nobody in their right mind uses, are bulkier than IS AC/2s.

In other news, PGI capitalized on the opportunity to create a non-Ultra solid slug 2 damage autocannon with different properties than the Ultra AC/2. Clans now have a choice between an ultra versions that can doubletap and save a slot, or take the CAC/2 that cannot doubletap but does generate less heat/dmg and has a longer range.

You know... Variety.

[Khobai]

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I fail to see how bringing up cGauss addresses the OP.

because its a ridiculous complaint

people complain about stupid crap like CAC2 taking up more crit slots

and it drowns out the actual relevant complaints like cgauss being 3 tons lighter with no real downside

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Clan AC/2 is not a real thing.

It doesnt exist as a seperate weapon, but its supposed to be built-in to the LBX2. LBX2 is supposed to be able to fire both as an LBX2 and an AC2.

Since they couldnt combine the weapons into one weapon they had to make it a seperate weapon.

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In other news, PGI capitalized on the opportunity to create a non-Ultra solid slug 2 damage autocannon with different properties than the Ultra AC/2. Clans now have a choice between an ultra versions that can doubletap and save a slot, or take the CAC/2 that cannot doubletap but does generate less heat/dmg and has a longer range.

You know... Variety.

Since LBX and CAC arnt going to be combined into one weapon, the least they could do for us is make the CAC useful.

All of the CACs should fire single slugs like ISACs

They could balance it by giving them higher heat and/or longer cooldown in exchange for better range and less tonnage.

Then we would have variety. Id take that present over garbage micro lasers any day.

Edited by Khobai, 28 March 2017 - 03:35 PM.

[Dee Eight]

brroleg, on 28 March 2017 - 11:32 AM, said:

And IS fanboys still whining about how clan tech OP?

I dont even.

3+ year old account and doesn't know the clan C-AC/2 is the solid slug version of the C-LB-2X ?!

[Erronius]

JackalBeast, on 28 March 2017 - 12:40 PM, said:

I fail to see how bringing up cGauss addresses the OP. Unless the objective is to score likes.

I really hope that PGI doesn't nerf people boating Likes.