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[Scout Derek]

Just some fun stuff to point out about mechs, their weapons, and their names or origins.

Uziel. The name comes from or originates from Ancient interpretations of the Bible as an angel (not trying to be political here, just where it comes from), in other areas they are "an Angel that fell, and is therefore evil." Or even the name itself means "God is my Strength".

To me I feel like Uziel is pretty much referenced to as an Angel, a fallen angel, hence the hero mech's name "Belilal", which..... is pretty much a demon, lol, which I imagine why the color scheme is red and has tentacles all over the place.

If you don't know what I'm talking about or don't want to take time to look at it yourself, here's a picture of it:








Also, the Uziel in MW4 Vegeance box cover is the 2S, so I'm very excited to replicate it's look when it comes to the game:






Now, the Annihilator.

We Already know why the pose is like that (TLDR Alex made a doodle of it posing like so), and the art obviously comes from the original of it.

But one could guess why the Hero is called "Mean Baby"... Perhaps they wanted to give the Awesome hero "Pretty Baby" a bigger brother?

Note that both Pretty and Mean Baby both have only energy and missile hardpoints... we can assume that Danielle Peterson would be the one to pilot this, albeit he only piloted an awesome.

Comparison between the two and their paints:

Pretty Baby:



Mean Baby:






I got nothing much on the Cougar or the Mad Cat MK II, but what I will say is that the M'C 2 from MW4 series had the config of M'C 2 - 1.

that's all I got, if you have any fun stuff to share about the new Civil War mechs, or any mechs for that matter, please do share. Would love to hear where people have found little easter eggs or interesting things about the MechWarrior Franchise and such :>

Edited by Scout Derek, 31 March 2017 - 09:03 PM.

[El Bandito]

The Cougar Hero's name "Blood Adder" probably originates from the long standing Blood Spirit vs. Star Adder feud. Star Adders also named their new 90 ton omnimech "Blood Asp" as an insult to their enemy--Clan Blood Spirit. Which means the Cougar Hero mech is likely piloted by someone from that petty merchant Clan Adder.

Edited by El Bandito, 31 March 2017 - 09:49 PM.

[CK16]

bump! Does anyone know where the Mk II special comes from?

[Scout Derek]

CK16, on 01 April 2017 - 03:38 PM, said:

bump! Does anyone know where the Mk II special comes from?

It is a PGI made hero, presumably. In the sarna it is considered Non-Canon.

[Jay Leon Hart]

CK16, on 01 April 2017 - 03:38 PM, said:

bump! Does anyone know where the Mk II special comes from?

It looks like Clan Diamond Shark, Beta Galaxy to me.

The Deathstrike is apparently a Clan Diamond Shark, Alpha Galaxy martial decoration for "MechWarriors or fighter pilots who can claim to have taken down three times their machine's tonnage in a single battle"

[GrimRiver]

Don't know why people was ragging on the Annihilator?

It's the first IS mech that can run 4xAC10 or 4xUAC10, seems like a plus to me.

I see alot of builds I can do with it.

[FupDup]

The Belial hero mech is a reference to the Mechassault variant of the Uziel that had twin Gauss of the same name. The loadout is way different in MWO though...

Edited by FupDup, 01 April 2017 - 04:01 PM.

[CK16]

Jay Leon Hart, on 01 April 2017 - 03:46 PM, said:

It looks like Clan Diamond Shark, Beta Galaxy to me.

The Deathstrike is apparently a Clan Diamond Shark, Alpha Galaxy martial decoration for "MechWarriors or fighter pilots who can claim to have taken down three times their machine's tonnage in a single battle"

Yea I can see it....

[El Bandito]

GrimRiver, on 01 April 2017 - 03:51 PM, said:

Don't know why people was ragging on the Annihilator?

It's the first IS mech that can run 4xAC10 or 4xUAC10, seems like a plus to me.

I see alot of builds I can do with it.

300 max engine, CT that can be shot from any direction, low mounted hardpoints, etc... Sure you can run 4xU/AC10, but you will have severe tonnage and slots issue due to how heavy and bulky IS ACs are. IS UAC10 is heavier than Clan UAC20!

[FLG 01]

Trivia:

As far as RATs go (FM:U set in 3067)...

• ... the Mad Cat MkII is available for CJF, CGB, CIH, CDS, CNC, and CWiE. Also for the SLDF and the AFFS.
  
• ... the Annihilator is available for CSA second line formations.
  
• ... the Cougar can be found the ranks of CJS.
  
• ... the Uziel is not mentioned.

Of course, RATs are not exhaustive at all, they only provide a representative overview. We can conclude the Mad Cat MkII is a rather common Mech as of 3067, whereas the others are not.


As far as the novels are concerned:
Uziel, Annihilator, and Mad Cat MkII do not appear in any FCCW-era novel, neither Classic BattleTech nor MechWarrior. (I am gladly accepting evidence to the contrary, always eager to learn!)

The Cougar however appears in Operation Audacity two times:

• "He could see flames, whipped by the wind, coming from a blackened pile that had been a Falcon Cougar."
  
• and "Archer spotted a green-splotched Cougar rush along one flank of the fighting, seeking a target of opportunity. Twisting the Penetrator's torso, he brought his targeting reticle onto the smaller 'Mech. Anger guided his fingers as he fired his large lasers. One shot missed, but the other bore in on the Cougar's leg, which must have been already damaged. The Jade Falcon hopped two steps and fell. The 'Mech was not destroyed, but at least it was out of the fight for a few minutes."

GrimRiver, on 01 April 2017 - 03:51 PM, said:

Don't know why people was ragging on the Annihilator?

Because there are better assault Mechs that actually had a more notable role in the FCCW.

[RAM]

Scout Derek, on 01 April 2017 - 03:42 PM, said:

It is a PGI made hero, presumably. In the sarna it is considered Non-Canon.

All PGI Heros are canon; Sarna lists it as Apocryphal.


RAM
ELH

[GrimRiver]

El Bandito, on 01 April 2017 - 04:29 PM, said:

300 max engine, CT that can be shot from any direction, low mounted hardpoints, etc... Sure you can run 4xU/AC10, but you will have severe tonnage and slots issue due to how heavy and bulky IS ACs are. IS UAC10 is heavier than Clan UAC20!

"CT that can be shot from any direction" We don't know that for sure, it's CT could be slimmed down from the artwork like the Javelin's was, but here's to hoping.

300 rated isn't good yeah, but most versions have a decent number of hardpoints which we also don't know for sure how low mounted they are, but from the artwork it's torso looks to have a mid-high mounted weapons.

I'm just happy to slap 4xAC10 on a mech cause I love 2xAC10 on my WHM-6R.

[El Bandito]

GrimRiver, on 01 April 2017 - 05:32 PM, said:

"CT that can be shot from any direction" We don't know that for sure, it's CT could be slimmed down from the artwork like the Javelin's was, but here's to hoping.

300 rated isn't good yeah, but most versions have a decent number of hardpoints which we also don't know for sure how low mounted they are, but from the artwork it's torso looks to have a mid-high mounted weapons.

I'm just happy to slap 4xAC10 on a mech cause I love 2xAC10 on my WHM-6R.

CT can be shot from any direction because of that long neck and head. You simply can't shield them. ST ballistic point is bit higher than arm ones, but you will still have to expose that long neck of yours, long before you are to be able to fire the cannons towards the enemy.

Edited by El Bandito, 01 April 2017 - 05:45 PM.

[Scout Derek]

RAM, on 01 April 2017 - 05:00 PM, said:

All PGI Heros are canon; Sarna lists it as Apocryphal.


RAM
ELH

Aprocryphal just means "of doubtful authenticity, being widely considered as true." And at times some of these builds or mechs aren't entirely tied to the lore, moreover to MWO's lore you could say.

CK16, on 01 April 2017 - 04:19 PM, said:

Yea I can see it....

That's the collector's edition though, not the actual hero camo:

Although the Sharks on it may be that it is indeed a Clan Diamond Shark mech.

FupDup, on 01 April 2017 - 04:00 PM, said:

The Belial hero mech is a reference to the Mechassault variant of the Uziel that had twin Gauss of the same name. The loadout is way different in MWO though...

Yeah..... I wonder why

Good information though, I never played MechAssault much since I liked the MechWarrior Franchise a lot. (the music in MechAssault is kickass though!)

[CK16]

I said special not hero lol. Special being the collector's.

[Scout Derek]

CK16, on 01 April 2017 - 06:44 PM, said:

I said special not hero lol. Special being the collector's.

My bud ;w;

Been a long day of bad pugs and quick switching from forums to game lol.

[RAM]

Scout Derek, on 01 April 2017 - 06:36 PM, said:

Aprocryphal just means "of doubtful authenticity, being widely considered as true." And at times some of these builds or mechs aren't entirely tied to the lore, moreover to MWO's lore you could say.

No one really knows what you are trying to say.

Sarna does not list it as non-canonical.
Randall has stated that PGI Heros are canon.


RAM
ELH

[FLG 01]

RAM, on 02 April 2017 - 08:13 PM, said:

Randall has stated that PGI Heros are canon.

He stated the fluff he wrote for them is canon, and only that.
https://community.ba...ms/threads/1285

"As I mentioned in the other thread, the fiction relating to the MWO Hero BattleMechs are canon. I was making no reference to MWO as a whole.

Thanks."

It say nothing about the Mech's specifications (which would be a huge deal in case of, e.g., the Legend Killer). And until he writes something about Belilal&co, they are to be considered non-canon too.

[RAM]

FLG 01, on 02 April 2017 - 08:17 PM, said:

He stated the fluff he wrote for them is canon, and only that.

First that tread has nothing to do with what we were debating here. Second, that is not what he said.


RAM
ELH

[Snowbluff]

Scout Derek, on 01 April 2017 - 06:36 PM, said:

Although the Sharks on it may be that it is indeed a Clan Diamond Shark mech.

Oh dear... Derek, those are remora, a common symbiotic fish found on sharks.

I thought everyone knew this. Shark week is a thing where I am from. Also 4th grade is like shark grade. After that you're really into dinosaurs. Or do people from other places have different trivia they pick up as kids?

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Pretty gnarly when you think about it. The CDS forms a symbiotic relationship with man factions. The shark and remora is an apt metaphor.

Edited by Snowbluff, 02 April 2017 - 09:41 PM.