35 replies to this topic

[Mole]

...when you are in an Assassin armed with 4 SRM4 and trading with a Dire Wolf armed with 3 LB-10-X at 250m and you are winning.

[FireStoat]

Yah. I'm in a strange place with my Warrant Timberwolf that i picked up. On the one hand, I dig the omnipods and the 8/8 bonus potential. On the other hand, the LBX cannon lower than 20 kind of really suck (for Clan). I really wish it had the C variant's -30% UAC jam bonus instead because after some testing, you REALLY see that bonus come into play.

[Snazzy Dragon]

LB-20X is the only one worth taking, other than the superultramega quirked IS LB-10X like on the legend killer

[Y E O N N E]

Snazzy Dragon, on 31 March 2017 - 07:21 PM, said:

LB-20X is the only one worth taking, other than the superultramega quirked IS LB-10X like on the legend killer

Or the Quackdraw IV4!

[Khobai]

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...when you are in an Assassin armed with 4 SRM4 and trading with a Dire Wolf armed with 3 LB-10-X at 250m and you are winning.

Kodiak3 with quad LB10Xs has no problem topping the damage charts every game

The problem isnt the LB10X but more the fact the direwolf is totally obsolete because it cant take bigger than a 300 engine. Going 56kph is simply not going to allow you to position yourself ideally to maximize your damage, which is what an assault needs to do. Kodiak going 70kph doesnt have that problem. that and the fact agility still hasnt been decoupled from engine size so the Kodiak is far more agile on top of being way faster..

battlemech > omnimech

Edited by Khobai, 31 March 2017 - 07:41 PM.

[Y E O N N E]

Khobai, on 31 March 2017 - 07:37 PM, said:

Kodiak3 with 4 LB10Xs has no problem topping the damage charts every game

It should. It fires a spread of rounds.

[Snazzy Dragon]

Yeonne Greene, on 31 March 2017 - 07:35 PM, said:

Or the Quackdraw IV4!

ac10 stronker tho

[Khobai]

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It should. It fires a spread of rounds.

I routinely get 800-1200 damage in a kodiak3 with quad lb10x every single game.

im not saying lb10xs dont need a buff though. I wont complain if I do even more damage.

im just saying the direwolf needs a buff far more than LB10Xs do. And that the OP using the direwolf as an example is the biggest problem because its a horrible mech. Direwolfs are absolutely terrible compared to Kodiaks.

The power level disparity between a direwolf and a kodiak is much larger than the disparity between an LB10X and any other type of autocannon.

so if you wanna use multiple LB10Xs somewhat effectively then a good place to start would be ditching your ****** dire wolf and buying a kodiak3.

TLDR: direwolf bad, kodiak good

Edited by Khobai, 31 March 2017 - 07:56 PM.

[Y E O N N E]

Snazzy Dragon, on 31 March 2017 - 07:44 PM, said:

ac10 stronker tho

The extra 2 tons of ammo mean a lot when your gun fires that fast...

Khobai, on 31 March 2017 - 07:49 PM, said:

I routinely get 800-1200 damage in a kodiak3 with quad lb10x every single game

Like I said: it should. It's 40 damage every ~2.5 seconds and it's hard to miss because it fires a spread of rounds. Big damage with LB-10X is easy. I <3 my Legend Killer for it, all the C-bills.

Edited by Yeonne Greene, 31 March 2017 - 07:51 PM.

[Kin3ticX]

LBX should get a 10% damage buff to make it more inline with a space shotgun

[Scout Derek]

Kin3ticX, on 31 March 2017 - 09:15 PM, said:

LBX should get a 10% damage buff to make it more inline with a space shotgun

But then you get little puglings crying how LBs are now OP. /.-./

[Kin3ticX]

Scout Derek, on 31 March 2017 - 09:18 PM, said:

But then you get little puglings crying how LBs are now OP. /.-./

The crit seeking is a gimmick because it doesnt mean **** until armor is gone and its a weapon that can only focus damage at close range

Its one of the reasons we mostly see LBX mixed with SRMs on serious builds. Dont really see LBX mixed with anything else nor would you have a reason to. Its just a very heavy SRM launcher for when you dont have anymore more missile hardpoints.

[Scout Derek]

Kin3ticX, on 31 March 2017 - 09:30 PM, said:

The crit seeking is a gimmick because it doesnt mean **** until armor is gone and its a weapon that can only focus damage at close range

Its one of the reasons we mostly see LBX mixed with SRMs on serious builds. Dont really see LBX mixed with anything else nor would you have a reason to. Its just a very heavy SRM launcher for when you dont have anymore more missile hardpoints.

I know. I would love a buff for it. I was just being very satirical about it because there's always someone who dislikes a change. Always.

[DrxAbstract]

Mole, on 31 March 2017 - 07:12 PM, said:

...when you are in an Assassin armed with 4 SRM4 and trading with a Dire Wolf armed with 3 LB-10-X at 250m and you are winning.

So my question, because you were using an Assassin, would be: Were you spamming your Jump Jets?

I ask this because people do this a lot to unhinge HSR, which isn't a new thing as it has historically proven so effective at decoupling HSR from the model that it was patched for some Mechs... Although it never really went away, it has seen a resurgence these last few months and it's quite clear using JJs to foil hit detection is reaching similar levels of abuse that warranted patching in the past... Which makes it kind of a given that someone abusing hit detection in a Mech with a scrawny physical profile is going to beat a big, relatively stationary target.

There's also the question of difference in skill between the two players... But my guess would be you were abusing JJ hit detection. /shrug

[InvictusLee]

Yeonne Greene, on 31 March 2017 - 07:50 PM, said:

The extra 2 tons of ammo mean a lot when your gun fires that fast...



Like I said: it should. It's 40 damage every ~2.5 seconds and it's hard to miss because it fires a spread of rounds. Big damage with LB-10X is easy. I <3 my Legend Killer for it, all the C-bills.

Can you boat 4 uac10s?
I'm totally buying a kodiak3. been playing with the trial and I love it xD.

[Mcgral18]

November11th, on 31 March 2017 - 09:37 PM, said:

Can you boat 4 uac10s?
I'm totally buying a kodiak3. been playing with the trial and I love it xD.

Yes
You can't alpha them though
You need cAC10s to alpha...but then you get half the damage (and no modules)

[Scout Derek]

November11th, on 31 March 2017 - 09:37 PM, said:

Can you boat 4 uac10s?
I'm totally buying a kodiak3. been playing with the trial and I love it xD.

You can but more than likely you'll be reaching high heat on Canyon Network as if you're playing on Terra Therma if you run Quad 10s... unless you like playing conservative, which I know anyone would love to double-tap the UACs.

Mcgral18, on 31 March 2017 - 09:40 PM, said:

Yes
You can't alpha them though
You need cAC10s to alpha...but then you get half the damage (and no modules)

They need to Buff them...

then again, they are supposed to be "Placeholders" for the Variant of the Clan AC that can switch between Slug and Shell ;-;

Edited by Scout Derek, 31 March 2017 - 09:42 PM.

[Monkey Lover]

30 points of dmg spread over 100 worth of armor if somehow they all hit. Ya i can see why you wouldn't win this fight What happen to the dires other 15 tons of weapons?

[HGAK47]

The direwolf makes me laugh. Every so often it is a dangerous enemy mech but usually I just laugh and shoot its legs / back as it trundles along half a mile behind his friends. Thats when im in a lighter faster mech at least.

[LordNothing]

they need to tighten the spreads where if you shoot at a kodiak at the optimal range, all the pellets should land squarely on all the facing torso sections. perhaps a nonlinear spread where the shots have a slightly higher chance of being in the middle of the grouping than the extremities. ramping up dps is also an option.