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[Rakshasa]

Optimisers and competitive players are advised to run screaming from this thread. Are they gone? Good. Come with me into my lab. Ignore the clammy moistness and smell of potatoes. Now...

Anyone remember the Arrow?



Pepperidge Farm I remember, and after going over the new Civil War tech again I'm going to be shoving this build into it. No matter how much it screams.

ARROW MD (MOAR DAKKA)
Armour: 304 Light Ferro-Fibrous
Structure: Endo-Steel
Engine: 225 Light Fusion Engine
Jump Jets: 4
Heatsinks: 11 DHS

Head: None
Left Arm: Heavy Machinegun x3
Left Torso: ER Medium Laser, Double Heatsink, Heavy MG Ammo, Heavy MG Ammo (1/2), CASE
Center Torso: ER Large Laser
Right Torso: ER Medium Laser, Double Heatsink, Heavy MG Ammo, Heavy MG Ammo (1/2), CASE
Right Arm: Heavy Machinegun x3
Left Leg: Jump Jet x2
Right Leg: Jump Jet x2

Two ER medium lasers, one ER large laser and six heavy machineguns.

WIll it be meta? Oh, dear me no. Will it enrage my allies and delight our enemies? Oh, dear me yes.

Will it be fun? I haven't the faintest goddamn clue, but I'm going to find out.

For science.



Did the smell of potatoes just worsen? Jesus it's like starch and despair in here. Somebody open a window.

[Jay Leon Hart]

Honestly? I'll likely just upgrade my 2x LPL, 6x MG build into a 2x LPL, 6x HMG one instead. LFF should cover the increase in tonnage.

I think my 2x LPL, 6x MG Shadow Cat will get the same treatment, though it looks like I'll need to shave some armour... hey, can we get that Skill Tree fixed so I can get my ammo quirks?

PGI PLZ!

[Rakshasa]

Jay Leon Hart, on 03 April 2017 - 08:58 AM, said:

Honestly? I'll likely just upgrade my 2x LPL, 6x MG build into a 2x LPL, 6x HMG one instead. LFF should cover the increase in tonnage.

I think my 2x LPL, 6x MG Shadow Cat will get the same treatment, though it looks like I'll need to shave some armour... hey, can we get that Skill Tree fixed so I can get my ammo quirks?

PGI PLZ!

You'll need another 3 tons (HMG's are a ton each) so light FF probably won't cut it. Use LFF and swap the engine for an LFE though and you should be good to go. More machine guns, yeeesss

[Y E O N N E]

'Eeeey, dis b my kinda thread.

I'll bbl when I can use the RemLab and post properly.

[Jay Leon Hart]

Rakshasa, on 03 April 2017 - 09:01 AM, said:

You'll need another 3 tons (HMG's are a ton each) so light FF probably won't cut it. Use LFF and swap the engine for an LFE though and you should be good to go. More machine guns, yeeesss

Yeah, I definitely don't already run an XL... nope! That would be silly!

...

I guess I don't need all those heat sinks...

[Wiley Coyote]

I hadn't even thought about the new tech I could put on it. Your idea sounds glorious. I'll have to rename mine from Purple Rain to Heavy Rains.

[Mcgral18]

Yeonne Greene, on 03 April 2017 - 09:02 AM, said:

'Eeeey, dis b my kinda thread.

I'll bbl when I can use the RemLab and post properly.

BJ is decent for TT construction, the 225 being a solid choice for builds.

2Snub or 3Light PPC with 6 (H)MGs
LFE saves 3 tons IIRC

[Y E O N N E]

Mcgral18, on 03 April 2017 - 09:15 AM, said:

BJ is decent for TT construction, the 225 being a solid choice for builds.

2Snub or 3Light PPC with 6 (H)MGs
LFE saves 3 tons IIRC

That was one option. Another involves an RAC/2 and standard MGs.

[Jay Leon Hart]

Mcgral18, on 03 April 2017 - 09:15 AM, said:

BJ is decent for TT construction, the 225 being a solid choice for builds.

2Snub or 3Light PPC with 6 (H)MGs
LFE saves 3 tons IIRC

I never even considered Snubs or Light PPCs... oh yays!

(And perhaps HLLs instead of LPLs on the SHC...)

[Mcgral18]

Yeonne Greene, on 03 April 2017 - 09:20 AM, said:

That was one option. Another involves an RAC/2 and standard MGs.

RAC2? Why not RAC5?
Only 2 extra tons
I think it was 3 tons of ammo and 3 isERMLs

[Y E O N N E]

Mcgral18, on 03 April 2017 - 09:54 AM, said:

RAC2? Why not RAC5?
Only 2 extra tons
I think it was 3 tons of ammo and 3 isERMLs

I had reasons, Ijust don't remember them at the moment. Not running XL was probably part of it.

[0bsidion]

Bah, I thought this was a thread about the Arrow IV missile system. Anyway, you don't need CASE, just put the ammo in the arms and head.

[Mcgral18]

Yeonne Greene, on 03 April 2017 - 10:19 AM, said:

I had reasons, Ijust don't remember them at the moment. Not running XL was probably part of it.

That was LFE 225
But no MGs


MGs could be a reason. Not a good reason, but a reason

[Y E O N N E]

Mcgral18, on 03 April 2017 - 10:24 AM, said:

That was LFE 225
But no MGs


MGs could be a reason. Not a good reason, but a reason

No MGs means you should be piloting a different Blackjack, though.

U had 5x MG +1x RAC/2; I forget which lasers I had on, I think it was standard mediums for the greater DPS they would have over ERs. Dis be all aboyt the close-range BRRRRRRAP.

[Mcgral18]

Jay Leon Hart, on 03 April 2017 - 09:23 AM, said:

I never even considered Snubs or Light PPCs... oh yays!

(And perhaps HLLs instead of LPLs on the SHC...)

Yeah, 2 HLL and 17 DHS would be a build for the SadCat
But, he can't really afford to take 6 HMGs and HLLs, they just wouldn't cool. 1 HLL and 2 HML should be good, but then you lack range. 2 ERLLs are somewhat mediocre...
13 heatsinks is definitely not enough for 2 HLLs
I guess we'll see how effective HMGs are, but I'm not expecting they will be worth the range/cooling

[Y E O N N E]

1xHLL + 2xcERML.

Duh.

[Mcgral18]

Yeonne Greene, on 03 April 2017 - 10:27 AM, said:

No MGs means you should be piloting a different Blackjack, though.

U had 5x MG +1x RAC/2; I forget which lasers I had on, I think it was standard mediums for the greater DPS they would have over ERs. Dis be all aboyt the close-range BRRRRRRAP.

Ah, but quirks (and Cbill bonus)
20% duration and 10% range should mean half decent Dam/tick and acceptable trade range.


I think half my builds didn't use HGMs, because those 3 tons are actually quite costly. Just your normal STD build, but swapping the STD for LFE, and as a result keep the lasers the same, but upgrade MGs to HMGs

Yeonne Greene, on 03 April 2017 - 10:30 AM, said:

1xHLL + 2xcERML.

Duh.

Does it have the Crit slots for that?

It can do 2 ERLL ERML and the ~16 heatsinks. 20 heatsinks would be a tight fit, IIRC

[Bishop Steiner]

Rakshasa, on 03 April 2017 - 08:52 AM, said:

Optimisers and competitive players are advised to run screaming from this thread. Are they gone? Good. Come with me into my lab. Ignore the clammy moistness and smell of potatoes. Now...

Anyone remember the Arrow?



Pepperidge Farm I remember, and after going over the new Civil War tech again I'm going to be shoving this build into it. No matter how much it screams.

ARROW MD (MOAR DAKKA)
Armour: 304 Light Ferro-Fibrous
Structure: Endo-Steel
Engine: 225 Light Fusion Engine
Jump Jets: 4
Heatsinks: 11 DHS

Head: None
Left Arm: Heavy Machinegun x3
Left Torso: ER Medium Laser, Double Heatsink, Heavy MG Ammo, Heavy MG Ammo (1/2), CASE
Center Torso: ER Large Laser
Right Torso: ER Medium Laser, Double Heatsink, Heavy MG Ammo, Heavy MG Ammo (1/2), CASE
Right Arm: Heavy Machinegun x3
Left Leg: Jump Jet x2
Right Leg: Jump Jet x2

Two ER medium lasers, one ER large laser and six heavy machineguns.

WIll it be meta? Oh, dear me no. Will it enrage my allies and delight our enemies? Oh, dear me yes.

Will it be fun? I haven't the faintest goddamn clue, but I'm going to find out.

For science.



Did the smell of potatoes just worsen? Jesus it's like starch and despair in here. Somebody open a window.

don't think the ERs are the way to go... probably just use 3x MPL or the like.

Yeonne Greene, on 03 April 2017 - 10:30 AM, said:

1xHLL + 2xcERML.

Duh.

Heavy Large Laser....on an IS MEch?

[Y E O N N E]

Bishop Steiner, on 03 April 2017 - 10:40 AM, said:

don't think the ERs are the way to go... probably just use 3x MPL or the like.


Heavy Large Laser....on an IS MEch?

Reply was to the SHC subthread going on in here.

[Bishop Steiner]

Yeonne Greene, on 03 April 2017 - 10:41 AM, said:

Reply was to the SHC subthread going on in here.

Ah. >One more reason I hate it when threads get sidetracked