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[Snazzy Dragon]

Now that they are out for c bills, I am prepared to share my personal findings and experience, from both in and out of the MAD IIC cockpit, of how best to destroy the clammer scum piloting them

These are not exact hitboxes, but rather the best general area to aim at to isolate a component.

GREEN indicates where to shoot to hit the Center Torso.

YELLOW indicates where to shoot to hit a Side Torso.

BLUE indicates the best general areas to shoot the legs and arms off these things, since their pilots (assuming competency) will be in constant motion and the arms and legs tend to squirm around a lot.

RED indicates a special case.

PURPLE is specific to disabling the powerful asymmetric loadouts you will see on the Marauder IIC-A and IIC-C.

Let's get down to business.

GENERAL, FRONTAL PROFILE

Spoiler

The head hitbox is rather large, and is placed roughly where the red box is. If your opponent is not twisting, or shut down, this will kill them very quickly. Though, you must be pretty much be no further than 11 or 1 o' clock from their front-- it is extremely difficult to hit at an angle because the hitbox is tall, but slim.

The arms of a marauder are easy to hit and worth shooting if they carry an LB20 or a gauss, or if they are already opened up, as they are excellent shields because of how easy they are to hit unintentionally.

It's better to aim further down to hit the legs, as the arms can and will get in the way of shots aimed higher up on the legs. Legging a fresh marauder is always advised, unless you are being targeted. The mobility is its other greatest strength, next to its hitboxes-- which we're learning to do something about.

The crotch plate between the legs does not move with the upper torso and is the best target for hitting center mass. If their legs are turned away, the green box above that is the next best place to shoot, other than the head. Shooting anywhere else aiming for CT, your damage will spread all over the torsos, unless they are potato and stand still. If you are elevated above a MAD IIC, the box at the top is the easiest to hit for CT.

Shooting within the yellow triangles for a side torso destruction is the most reliable-- the most surface area is there, and it is hard to torso twist and protect those fat torsos. Aiming elsewhere, you are likely to hit the arms and center torso if they twist. (Sorry that the triangles aren't exactly evenly sized, to anyone with OCD tendancies. )

BE CAREFUL: the "shoulder" pads above the arms count as arm hitox. If the arm is destroyed, the shoulder pads remain, and will MASSIVELY reduce the damage you do if hit because of damage transfer. Avoid aiming at them.

GENERAL, SIDE PROFILE

Spoiler

The CT is possible to hit from the side, but you need to be angled accordingly to hit the "nose." I do not recommend aiming at the CT from the side if you do not have pinpoint weapons like gauss or PPC equipped.

As you can see, hitting the rear portion is much easier than the frontal portion, as the zone between them can easily start hitting the arm, and cause damage transfer if the arm is destroyed.A twisting marauder IIC can raise its arms up, blocking most of the frontal portion of the side torso-- it is better to aim at the rear portion.

The legs at this angle move a lot during the animation; the lower legs have the most surface area, and the joint connecting to the torso does not move, making them the most reliable places to hit the leg.

The arms fall off easily from the side profile.

GENERAL, REAR PROFILE

Spoiler

Light pilots, rejoice, for the MAD IIC does indeed have a glorious butt plate. I advice aiming to the extreme right/left of the side torsos, should you be looking to shoot them instead, as the CT rear hitbox is funky, and can make assassinating one of these a headache.

The legs are incredibly easy to hit, too, so if you and a buddy are going for the double legging technique, it won't be difficult versus the marauder IIC.

ASYMMETRICAL CORNER PEEKERS OF DOOM

Spoiler

The competent players of this style of mech are going to make isolating their right side hell for you. They'll be behind cover, with as little exposing as possible. The same general aiming areas apply as per the first view of the frontal profile, but the guns add more surface area to the hitbox of the side torso, making aiming at the guns themselves a viable option if you have pinpoint weaponry. Shooting the arm is a good idea if you are in a faster flanking mech, as the marauder IIC's turn rate is a bit slow. Taking away their ability to track side to side with their PPC arm will make it significantly easier to ultimately eliminate them, should they be making doing so a nightmare for you.

LASTLY: WHERE NOT TO SHOOT

Spoiler

Shooting there, even if the arm is gone, is HELL. Don't do it. You'll do so much less damage and you'll feel the urge to scream about **** hit registration, when in reality it's just a **** place to shoot at.

That is all, MechWarriors. Happy hunting.

Edited by Snazzy Dragon, 05 April 2017 - 07:40 AM.

[Minasojo]

You think that's the best place BUT there is an even better place to aim for - the secret weak point to aim for is this:

(with eye-catching Decal placement to help guide your aim)

Spoiler

Want to make a MAD pilot mad? Thats where to aim for.

Edited by Minasojo, 05 April 2017 - 08:20 AM.

[zeta44]

My preferred method is take one of my light mechs, isolate the MAD-IIC, get in close then tear apart it's back armor. Unless they're actually smart, in which case I just harass them with a PPC (or other long range weapon since all my favorite light mechs have one) and weaken it so the rest of my team can deal with it easily

[jonfett]

Snazzy Dragon, on 05 April 2017 - 07:34 AM, said:

Now that they are out for c bills, I am prepared to share my personal findings and experience, from both in and out of the MAD IIC cockpit, of how best to destroy the clammer scum piloting them

These are not exact hitboxes, but rather the best general area to aim at to isolate a component.

GREEN indicates where to shoot to hit the Center Torso.

YELLOW indicates where to shoot to hit a Side Torso.

BLUE indicates the best general areas to shoot the legs and arms off these things, since their pilots (assuming competency) will be in constant motion and the arms and legs tend to squirm around a lot.

RED indicates a special case.

PURPLE is specific to disabling the powerful asymmetric loadouts you will see on the Marauder IIC-A and IIC-C.

Let's get down to business.

GENERAL, FRONTAL PROFILE

Spoiler

The head hitbox is rather large, and is placed roughly where the red box is. If your opponent is not twisting, or shut down, this will kill them very quickly. Though, you must be pretty much be no further than 11 or 1 o' clock from their front-- it is extremely difficult to hit at an angle because the hitbox is tall, but slim.

The arms of a marauder are easy to hit and worth shooting if they carry an LB20 or a gauss, or if they are already opened up, as they are excellent shields because of how easy they are to hit unintentionally.

It's better to aim further down to hit the legs, as the arms can and will get in the way of shots aimed higher up on the legs. Legging a fresh marauder is always advised, unless you are being targeted. The mobility is its other greatest strength, next to its hitboxes-- which we're learning to do something about.

The crotch plate between the legs does not move with the upper torso and is the best target for hitting center mass. If their legs are turned away, the green box above that is the next best place to shoot, other than the head. Shooting anywhere else aiming for CT, your damage will spread all over the torsos, unless they are potato and stand still. If you are elevated above a MAD IIC, the box at the top is the easiest to hit for CT.

Shooting within the yellow triangles for a side torso destruction is the most reliable-- the most surface area is there, and it is hard to torso twist and protect those fat torsos. Aiming elsewhere, you are likely to hit the arms and center torso if they twist. (Sorry that the triangles aren't exactly evenly sized, to anyone with OCD tendancies. )

BE CAREFUL: the "shoulder" pads above the arms count as arm hitox. If the arm is destroyed, the shoulder pads remain, and will MASSIVELY reduce the damage you do if hit because of damage transfer. Avoid aiming at them.

GENERAL, SIDE PROFILE

Spoiler

The CT is possible to hit from the side, but you need to be angled accordingly to hit the "nose." I do not recommend aiming at the CT from the side if you do not have pinpoint weapons like gauss or PPC equipped.

As you can see, hitting the rear portion is much easier than the frontal portion, as the zone between them can easily start hitting the arm, and cause damage transfer if the arm is destroyed.A twisting marauder IIC can raise its arms up, blocking most of the frontal portion of the side torso-- it is better to aim at the rear portion.

The legs at this angle move a lot during the animation; the lower legs have the most surface area, and the joint connecting to the torso does not move, making them the most reliable places to hit the leg.

The arms fall off easily from the side profile.

GENERAL, REAR PROFILE

Spoiler

Light pilots, rejoice, for the MAD IIC does indeed have a glorious butt plate. I advice aiming to the extreme right/left of the side torsos, should you be looking to shoot them instead, as the CT rear hitbox is funky, and can make assassinating one of these a headache.

The legs are incredibly easy to hit, too, so if you and a buddy are going for the double legging technique, it won't be difficult versus the marauder IIC.

ASYMMETRICAL CORNER PEEKERS OF DOOM

Spoiler

The competent players of this style of mech are going to make isolating their right side hell for you. They'll be behind cover, with as little exposing as possible. The same general aiming areas apply as per the first view of the frontal profile, but the guns add more surface area to the hitbox of the side torso, making aiming at the guns themselves a viable option if you have pinpoint weaponry. Shooting the arm is a good idea if you are in a faster flanking mech, as the marauder IIC's turn rate is a bit slow. Taking away their ability to track side to side with their PPC arm will make it significantly easier to ultimately eliminate them, should they be making doing so a nightmare for you.

LASTLY: WHERE NOT TO SHOOT

Spoiler

Shooting there, even if the arm is gone, is HELL. Don't do it. You'll do so much less damage and you'll feel the urge to scream about **** hit registration, when in reality it's just a **** place to shoot at.

That is all, MechWarriors. Happy hunting.

Thank you for this. You don't know how many times I've been shooting the big red box area and wondering in frustration at how that MAD is still standing!

[Prof RJ Gumby]

I may be simplistic, but I simply shoot it in the "ear" where I see most guns are located, or the ear that is already damaged. Ears are gargantuan in size and visible from basically any angle.

Edited by Prof RJ Gumby, 05 April 2017 - 11:19 AM.

[Moldur]

Actually, it's fastest to just aim for the head

[chucklesMuch]

Snazzy Dragon, on 05 April 2017 - 07:34 AM, said:

Now that they are out for c bills, I am prepared to share my personal findings and experience, from both in and out of the MAD IIC cockpit, of how best to destroy the clammer scum piloting them

These are not exact hitboxes, but rather the best general area to aim at to isolate a component.

GREEN indicates where to shoot to hit the Center Torso.

YELLOW indicates where to shoot to hit a Side Torso.

BLUE indicates the best general areas to shoot the legs and arms off these things, since their pilots (assuming competency) will be in constant motion and the arms and legs tend to squirm around a lot.

RED indicates a special case.

PURPLE is specific to disabling the powerful asymmetric loadouts you will see on the Marauder IIC-A and IIC-C.

Let's get down to business.

GENERAL, FRONTAL PROFILE

Spoiler

The head hitbox is rather large, and is placed roughly where the red box is. If your opponent is not twisting, or shut down, this will kill them very quickly. Though, you must be pretty much be no further than 11 or 1 o' clock from their front-- it is extremely difficult to hit at an angle because the hitbox is tall, but slim.

The arms of a marauder are easy to hit and worth shooting if they carry an LB20 or a gauss, or if they are already opened up, as they are excellent shields because of how easy they are to hit unintentionally.

It's better to aim further down to hit the legs, as the arms can and will get in the way of shots aimed higher up on the legs. Legging a fresh marauder is always advised, unless you are being targeted. The mobility is its other greatest strength, next to its hitboxes-- which we're learning to do something about.

The crotch plate between the legs does not move with the upper torso and is the best target for hitting center mass. If their legs are turned away, the green box above that is the next best place to shoot, other than the head. Shooting anywhere else aiming for CT, your damage will spread all over the torsos, unless they are potato and stand still. If you are elevated above a MAD IIC, the box at the top is the easiest to hit for CT.

Shooting within the yellow triangles for a side torso destruction is the most reliable-- the most surface area is there, and it is hard to torso twist and protect those fat torsos. Aiming elsewhere, you are likely to hit the arms and center torso if they twist. (Sorry that the triangles aren't exactly evenly sized, to anyone with OCD tendancies. )

BE CAREFUL: the "shoulder" pads above the arms count as arm hitox. If the arm is destroyed, the shoulder pads remain, and will MASSIVELY reduce the damage you do if hit because of damage transfer. Avoid aiming at them.

GENERAL, SIDE PROFILE

Spoiler

The CT is possible to hit from the side, but you need to be angled accordingly to hit the "nose." I do not recommend aiming at the CT from the side if you do not have pinpoint weapons like gauss or PPC equipped.

As you can see, hitting the rear portion is much easier than the frontal portion, as the zone between them can easily start hitting the arm, and cause damage transfer if the arm is destroyed.A twisting marauder IIC can raise its arms up, blocking most of the frontal portion of the side torso-- it is better to aim at the rear portion.

The legs at this angle move a lot during the animation; the lower legs have the most surface area, and the joint connecting to the torso does not move, making them the most reliable places to hit the leg.

The arms fall off easily from the side profile.

GENERAL, REAR PROFILE

Spoiler

Light pilots, rejoice, for the MAD IIC does indeed have a glorious butt plate. I advice aiming to the extreme right/left of the side torsos, should you be looking to shoot them instead, as the CT rear hitbox is funky, and can make assassinating one of these a headache.

The legs are incredibly easy to hit, too, so if you and a buddy are going for the double legging technique, it won't be difficult versus the marauder IIC.

ASYMMETRICAL CORNER PEEKERS OF DOOM

Spoiler

The competent players of this style of mech are going to make isolating their right side hell for you. They'll be behind cover, with as little exposing as possible. The same general aiming areas apply as per the first view of the frontal profile, but the guns add more surface area to the hitbox of the side torso, making aiming at the guns themselves a viable option if you have pinpoint weaponry. Shooting the arm is a good idea if you are in a faster flanking mech, as the marauder IIC's turn rate is a bit slow. Taking away their ability to track side to side with their PPC arm will make it significantly easier to ultimately eliminate them, should they be making doing so a nightmare for you.

LASTLY: WHERE NOT TO SHOOT

Spoiler

Shooting there, even if the arm is gone, is HELL. Don't do it. You'll do so much less damage and you'll feel the urge to scream about **** hit registration, when in reality it's just a **** place to shoot at.

That is all, MechWarriors. Happy hunting.

Oi!!! Leave my shiny newly painted mechs alone!! D:<

I have enough trouble piloting assaults as it is!

[Snazzy Dragon]

Minasojo, on 05 April 2017 - 08:19 AM, said:

You think that's the best place BUT there is an even better place to aim for - the secret weak point to aim for is this:

(with eye-catching Decal placement to help guide your aim)

Spoiler

Want to make a MAD pilot mad? Thats where to aim for.

The arms will block shots placed there a lot of the time. Spreading damage all around is exactly what you don't want to be doing against a marauder IIC.

[Minasojo]

Snazzy Dragon, on 05 April 2017 - 04:33 PM, said:

The arms won't block shots placed there a lot of the time. Focusing damage all around that spot is exactly what you want to be doing against a marauder IIC.

Spoiler

Shhhhhhhh!

Edited by Minasojo, 05 April 2017 - 04:53 PM.

[El Bandito]

I'd personally shoot the legs, but in QP pugs tend to shoot at the torsi anyway, so I have to shoot the torsi as well to destroy them faster, unfortunately. Same deal with Linebackers.

[nitra]

Disabling And Destroying: Marauder IIc is IMPOSSIBRU


should be the title of this thread maybe with the meme ... maybe not.