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[Requiemking]

Pika, on 06 April 2017 - 10:38 PM, said:

Light: - Tough one, most IS lights are fairly decent. I'd probably lean toward the Panther? Still, decent enough in scouting. That or the Spider with the tiddly energy hard points. 'least it's fast!

*Rage intensifies*

Edited by Requiemking, 06 April 2017 - 10:50 PM.

[Pika]

Requiemking, on 06 April 2017 - 10:49 PM, said:

*Rage intensifies*

I get the feeling the Panther is your baby? >.>

[El Bandito]

Pika, on 06 April 2017 - 10:38 PM, said:

Jesus, man. This crusade has been going on for months. Stop, for your own sake. You sound like you're driving yourself crazy

Prove me wrong then. Show me a Clan mech that is considered dogcrap, compared to IS trash mechs. Bet your only example will be Mist Lynx, and you would be wrong. There is no dogcrap Clan mech in MWO, thanks to Clan tech.

Edited by El Bandito, 06 April 2017 - 10:57 PM.

[Requiemking]

Pika, on 06 April 2017 - 10:53 PM, said:

I get the feeling the Panther is your baby? >.>

IS Lights, beyond the Locust, are not fine. They are too big, too fragile, too skimpy in terms of both heatsink space and weapons space, and usually die within five seconds of combat beginning.

Edited by Requiemking, 06 April 2017 - 11:00 PM.

[Pika]

El Bandito, on 06 April 2017 - 10:55 PM, said:

Prove me wrong then. Show me a Clan mech that is considered dogcrap, compared to IS trash mechs. Bet your only example will be Mist Lynx, and you would be wrong. There is no dogcrap Clan mech in MWO, thanks to Clan tech.

Let's not derail ANOTHER thread with this trite crusade, please. It's tiresome, divisive and pointless. You won't change my mind, and I won't change yours. Also love that dismissal. Invite an argument and dismiss it before I even present. Yeesh, this is what I mean about driving yourself crazy. I don't care what mechs\faction you like, man. I just worry you're too fixated on it XD

Requiemking, on 06 April 2017 - 11:00 PM, said:

IS Lights, beyond the Locust, are not fine. They are too big, too fragile, too skimpy in terms of both heatsink space and weapons space, and usually die within five seconds of combat beginning.

Sounds like Clan Mediums\Assaults OHH~ I'm winding you up. I disagree though. I seem to get on well with IS lights compared to Clan ones (Excluding the Arctic cheet of course.) I find most clan ones just Meh across the board with the exception of one overperformer. Sums up most clan 'mechs actually.

Edited by Pika, 06 April 2017 - 11:06 PM.

[MechaBattler]

Firestarters, Vindicators, Dragon, Victor?

[LordNothing]

i have to say the spider (especially 5v), hated it, terrible. vindicator is up there but its still a pretty good ppc poptart, but most of the trebs were crap, except the ballistic treb that runs a pair of ac5s ok. heavy, idk, i hate the mad dog, but i think the dragons might be worse. i guess the victor works in the assault category, but im not a fan of the zeus. the king crab, while it used to be ok those low ballistic points get my goat, especially when you see so many running lasers'n'lerms.

Edited by LordNothing, 07 April 2017 - 12:43 AM.

[The Amazing Spider Man]

In my opinion the Spider chassis is easily "the worst" in the game. All four variants struggle to top four sustained DPS while remaining combat effective, they are hardpoint starved and the locations are bad, the selling point (JJs) is practically useless and is often a detriment, they're much larger after rescale, and they are incapable of doing anything original that another mech can't do better.

Shameless self promotion time: have a look at my builds https://mwomercs.com...er-mans-builds/
Only three variants break four sustained DPS, two require you to get close which isn't optimal due to size, one of those is a SPL build with ECM, and the other two that allow you to stay at range are both the same variant with only one real ranged weapon to speak of.

Why am I a SDR exclusive pilot? Well, the name, and with my Spidey sense I have to give the rest of you a chance.

[TercieI]

MechaBattler, on 06 April 2017 - 11:04 PM, said:

Firestarters, Vindicators, Dragon, Victor?

Correct answers. FS9 is the clear loser of IS lights. PNT has major issues but at least is designed for longer range.

Nothing on the clan side belongs in this conversation. The MLX is the closest and even it is better than several of IS lights. Every medium, heavy and assault is at least decent.

Edited by TercieI, 07 April 2017 - 07:43 AM.

[Jay Leon Hart]

Commando / Spider / Panther
Vindicator / Trebuchet / Kintaro / Wolverine
Orion
Victor

Mist Lynx
Ice Ferret
Orion IIC
Gargoyle

Yeah, as already stated, just pick an IS Light or Medium then have all the fun!

[InspectorG]

Zergling, on 06 April 2017 - 09:41 PM, said:

Well, they aren't all 'dog crap', but here's the worst of each weight class and faction:

Urbanmech / Mist Lynx
Vindicator / Ice Ferret
Dragon / Orion IIC
Victor / Gargoyle

Ice Ferret is very good with SPL

Onion-llC is a mini-Atlas with 80+ alphas and structure buffs

Gargles is a nice SPL brawler as well.

[Mcgral18]

El Bandito, on 06 April 2017 - 10:10 PM, said:

Shadowcat is still good at what it does as a harasser, far from dogcrap.

I personally can't stand the SadCat
Maybe a playstyle thing...but at least the Fridge can take SPLs and lots of heatsinks, with the durability of a 55 tonner



Unlike the SadCat, The Fridge didn't lose his structure quirks

[MechaBattler]

TercieI, on 07 April 2017 - 07:42 AM, said:

Correct answers. FS9 is the clear loser of IS lights. PNT has major issues but at least is designed for longer range.

Nothing on the clan side belongs in this conversation. The MLX is the closest and even it is better than several of IS lights. Every medium, heavy and assault is at least decent.

But guys... I have 15% flamer range quirk. A whole 15%.

[Y E O N N E]

Mcgral18, on 07 April 2017 - 09:13 AM, said:

I personally can't stand the SadCat
Maybe a playstyle thing...but at least the Fridge can take SPLs and lots of heatsinks, with the durability of a 55 tonner



Unlike the SadCat, The Fridge didn't lose his structure quirks

Sad Cat is a 'Mech all about the long game. I enjoy it a lot, but it doesn't do well if the game has a fast roll except if you have SRMs. It is competent with SRMs.

I wish they'd un-screw the UACs; it was decent at mid-range poke until they decided the 10 should jam ever other trigger pull and stay that way forever.

[Quicksilver Aberration]

MechaBattler, on 06 April 2017 - 11:04 PM, said:

Firestarters, Vindicators, Dragon, Victor?

Firestarter > Panther
Dragon > Archer | Cataphract
Victor > Zeus

Yeonne Greene, on 07 April 2017 - 09:20 AM, said:

Sad Cat is a 'Mech all about the long game.

Much like the Raven, which have both been rather screwed over with the push towards a very aggressive game.

[Y E O N N E]

Quicksilver Kalasa, on 07 April 2017 - 09:41 AM, said:

Firestarter > Panther
Dragon > Archer | Cataphract
Victor > Zeus

I'd say the Cataphract is significantly better than the Archer, simply because of the 3D. The Archer has everything wrong with it, even the 5W splat-boat gets screwed over tremendously by that cockpit.

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Much like the Raven, which have both been rather screwed over with the push towards a very aggressive game.

I played some matches for the first time in months last night. I noticed every game turned into brawl-push very fast. Couldn't run the pokey Blackjacks for sh*t, only the SHC worked okay and only then, I think, because the splash damage was inflating its performance.

[Quicksilver Aberration]

Yeonne Greene, on 07 April 2017 - 09:51 AM, said:

I played some matches for the first time in months last night. I noticed every game turned into brawl-push very fast. Couldn't run the pokey Blackjacks for sh*t, only the SHC worked okay and only then, I think, because the splash damage was inflating its performance.

The 6v6 is seeing brawl pushes be a fairly common thing to the point that it is probably the meta in a 6v6 environment.

[Trev Firestorm]

Many say Vindicator for IS medium... and they aren't really wrong but it can be a fun mech to play around with all the same. (Plus I love the ascetic, take a look with the FRR camo)

[Y E O N N E]

Quicksilver Kalasa, on 07 April 2017 - 09:59 AM, said:

The 6v6 is seeing brawl pushes be a fairly common thing to the point that it is probably the meta in a 6v6 environment.

Can't leg the other team fast enough, eh?

[Quicksilver Aberration]

Yeonne Greene, on 07 April 2017 - 11:19 AM, said:

Can't leg the other team fast enough, eh?

Terrain doesn't always really allow for that, but yeah, when domination is the mode it makes it more difficult to hold stronger positions and maintain control over the bubble.