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[Skuggamul]

Following this makes me happy I record all my games now

[Alexander of Macedon]

Skuggi Hestur, on 13 April 2017 - 05:01 PM, said:

Following this makes me happy I record all my games now

You gotta admit though, the image of a bunch of grown-*** adults playing the verbal fight version of the "pew pew I killed you" "no you didn't I have an energy shield" bit is rather remarkable. Just replace all the assertions with "no you're garbage".

[I_AM_ZUUL]

Dee Eight, on 13 April 2017 - 12:15 PM, said:

Whereas you just like barking orders and hiding period, regardless of what weapons you're using. Gotta preserve your kdr somehow....

find one person who is willing to publicly accuse me of "hiding" and I will call them a liar as well... you will never finding me hiding, ever!!! I play frontline mechs or secondline support (LRMs or PPC)... that cGuass/cERPPC cancer is boring and easy mode while not providing anything I want to be doing (same reason I do not run Lights either.)

[I_AM_ZUUL]

tker 669, on 13 April 2017 - 04:45 PM, said:

Well I have seen you try and drop call and it is even less impressive than your fictitious memory of me.

That you call players or the meta currently run in the game cancer speaks volumes. Anyone who thinks the game should only be played his way and the whole rest of the world is wrong if they don't agree with him, obviously has issues that are not going to be resolved on this forum.

Considering you also have nothing to back up your stories is pretty much the nail in the coffin as well. Since this is going no where and you don't seem to have anything positive to add I am going to stop responding to you as it is a waste of time.

It is [redacted] a virulent infection that kills in any great numbers, especially since only the very best with top level twitch skills are good enough to do it right. Get too much of it on your team and the team is going to crumble as everyone tries to Hide Harder falling piece by piece to a semi-concentrated push of mid-range to brawling mechs... that ECM RVN/SHC/AHC that is always the last to die who was nowhere to be found helping as their teammates were all LRM'd to death or even "securing" kills hanging around the group, or the Assualts that is +800m front the fight talking about "I am in range" that still has 99% armor. They are Win More mechs if there is not too much of it but as soon as the team gets 3 of them, then that is the end unless the enemy team has 4... so lots of matches are just a simple matter of who got stuck with the least amount of cancer trying to kill their own team by playing as selfish twats instead of team memebers trying to secure the Victory.

Edited by Odanan, 29 April 2017 - 04:19 AM.
redacted 1 word that might hurt some people

[PhoenixFire55]

Reading through this thread you kinda understand how so many of the supposed Tier.1/2 players fail to do even 100 dmg in any kind of mech, let alone assaults, oh so often when you see em. And of course it is never their fault.

This thread is both highly educational and very entertaining. Alas, both in a bad way.

Edited by PhoenixFire55, 14 April 2017 - 12:51 AM.

[Lorcryst NySell]

Again with the cancer thing. Reported. Enough is too much.

[Shifty McSwift]

Lorcryst NySell, on 14 April 2017 - 06:26 AM, said:

Again with the cancer thing. Reported. Enough is too much.

It is being used in a descriptive manner, in some cases aptly.

In cases where a joke is being made using or around cancer it is fair to take actual offense in such a public forum as is the case in another topic where something made me laugh and I commented on it, I apologise for any offense taken, but even then it wasn't mocking a cancer survivor or the horrors of cancer in general, it was not an attack on anyone or anything.

Then there's also the idea of it being such a common human occurrence that it has become ingrained into social vernacular in its own way. My grandmother suffered a stroke and my father had a heart attack, and I often find myself a little cut inside whenever someone exclaims their phone is "having a stroke" or that they "had a heart attack" when they learned their favourite singer was coming to town, but that is just a personal situational reaction to specific words that draw up specific memories, and I have never met someone who meant it in a way that made fun of the sufferers specifically.

[Lorcryst NySell]

Shifty McSwift, on 14 April 2017 - 06:49 AM, said:

It is being used in a descriptive manner, in some cases aptly.

In cases where a joke is being made using or around cancer it is fair to take actual offense in such a public forum as is the case in another topic where something made me laugh and I commented on it, I apologise for any offense taken, but even then it wasn't mocking a cancer survivor or the horrors of cancer in general, it was not an attack on anyone or anything.

Then there's also the idea of it being such a common human occurrence that it has become ingrained into social vernacular in its own way. My grandmother suffered a stroke and my father had a heart attack, and I often find myself a little cut inside whenever someone exclaims their phone is "having a stroke" or that they "had a heart attack" when they learned their favourite singer was coming to town, but that is just a personal situational reaction to specific words that draw up specific memories, and I have never met someone who meant it in a way that made fun of the sufferers specifically.

I can understand the vernacular points and the banalization of the word ...

But there is no humour here, just hate, and if you read a couple of pages back you'll find one of my posts explaining why I find the constant use of that particular word in almost every post of his painful.

I'm sure my report won't do much, and I'm sure that ... person ... will continue to sling insults to everyone, I just snapped.

Bad days of remembering for me at the moment. The pain and trauma are real.

[Dee Eight]

That a troll like himself keeps using the cancer word to describe behaviour many others have caught him doing... is especially amusing. The simple solution is to not be drawn in by his chocolate icing coated excrement and don't respond to him.

[Shifty McSwift]

Yep, ignore or report as you see fit, this is a public forum, beholden to specific rules and it's your right to report things you find borderline or more (within legitimate reason and with abuse of that system aside). Just inputting what I though could be helpful context and personal experience, I am definitely not the one who decides if it is breaking forum rules.

[Acehilator]

Ruar, on 12 April 2017 - 04:02 PM, said:

[snip]

An actual discussion in a LRM thread? That is almost unheard of, what a pleasant surprise! Sorry if my previous comments were a bit snarky, it was nothing personal, it ist just being pro-LRM in this forum is a Don Quijote kind of deal... it gets annoying after a while.

So, on topic: Like I already mentioned before, after the LRM5 nerf with the latest patch, there are esentially no Mediums and Heavies left that can be used as LRM boats. So comparison is difficult even on a theoretical level, and I personally play almost only Heavies and Assaults.

Stat-wise, my Awesome-8R has each other mech I own beat in all categories, and my Highlander IIC - B and Supernova - A are in my "over all" Top 5, with one Marauder IIC and a lonely Shadowhawk-2H keeping them company. I am not an extreme Pokemech collector, but I still own a lot of mechs and I don't play that often at the moment, so apart from the mechs I used for FW I only have a handful of mechs with enough games on them to be usuable for statistical comparison. I am currently in the process of rectifiying that situation Will take 2-3 days to do, so far (~30 games done), no noticeable differences.


Also, while we are at it, I though I do an overview of LRM mechs in the game, and why non-bad players dare to use use LRM Assaults. Kind of "back to topic", instead of slinging insults.

Mediums - IS:
Kintaro - Golden Boy: The "boy wonder" of LRM5 spamming, made almost unusable by the LRM5 nerf. The only Medium LRM mech I own, and it is really bad now. The "CT seeking" feature of LRM5s is not there anymore, it is really hard now to even get a killing blow. Increased facetime does not help in a mech with bad hitboxes running an IS XL.

Hunchback-4SP/Trebuchet-7M: Hunchback even with quirks is only 2.6 times worth of LRM10 launchers, not really feeling it. And only 10 DHS, can't really use its backup weapons. Trebuchet with 2.6 times worth of LRM15 has either not enough ammo or gets really slow. Might try it out when the "rule of three" is gone, but not optimistic.

Mediums - Clan:
Hunchback IIC - B / Huntsman: Very similar, can go either ALRM40 and almost no backup weapons, or ALRM30 with slightly better backup weapons and less ammo consumption. I bought one Huntsman a while back, going to refit him as a LRM carrier and see how it goes. But with Clan LRMs being worse than IS LRMs, and no quirks, I am not really seeing it, going 40 tubes against teams composed of 50-66% Heavies and Assaults. Will report back on this.

Heavies - IS:
Archer: LRM5 spam build is useless now, lousy 2x ALRM20 with bad quirks on a 70t mech... no.
Catapult: same

Heavies - Clan:
Mad Dog: LRM5 spam build gutted, better options for builds with larger launchers
Night Gyr - D / Orion IIC - A: Again really similar loadout options, ALRM60 as core build... now we are talking. The problem is, that build can be done on an Assault without compromising number of DHS, backup weapons or amount of ammo. See below. Could do ALRM40 without drawbacks, but only 40 tubes without quirks, and Clan LRMs at that... no. 60 tubes or bust.

So far nothing really outstanding. Which leaves us where we started: at Assaults

Assaults - IS:
Awesome - 8R: THE ONE LRM MECH (to rule them all, bind them in darkness, etc.)
ALRM60 in perfection. Poetry incarnate on the battlefield. 60 tubes IS LRM coupled with insane quirks and a head mounted TAG conquer ALL drawbacks this build otherwise has, and makes it come out on top as the best LRM mech in the game.
Cyclops / Battlemaster - 1S / Mauler MX-90 etc.: they work, but if you already decided to use an IS Assault as a LRM boat, there is no reason not to use the Awesome. Even less so with the "rule of three" going away soon.

Assaults - Clan:
Highlander IIC - B / Supernova - A: They can run the ALRM60 build way better than Clan Heavies can, 2x LPL as "backup" weapons, enough heatsinks, enough ammo, all the trimmings (no TAG on the Highlander, but higher E mounts for the LPLs). Honourable mention for the ARLM80 build on the Supernova, which cuts down the backup weapons to a laughable 3x ER-SL. I originally thought it might be more of a troll build, but it is almost as effective as the other build.

Conclusion: with the possible exception of the Night Gyr / Orion IIC, Assault mechs are currently the only mechs worth using LRMs on in the first place. Shocking, I know. I might have forgotten some hidden gem, but I doubt it.

[Dee Eight]

My rule of thumb for LRM builds (where the LRM is the primary weapon, not the secondary support/tertiary weapon thrown in...as on my dual AC/20 KCG which has a pair of LRM5s for "plinking" until I can close the distance for the cannons to be effective) is at least 2 to 3 tons of ammo per launcher, and I prefer to use all the same size of launcher. For assaults and heavies that's typically ten or more tons of missiles. For mediums...four to eight tons is usual. For lights...well...my only LRM light is an adder... and I think it has similar ammo to my lurm shadow cat (I also have a MG/Splat shadow, a streak pulse shadow, a large pulse shadow, a ppc shadow and a er large shadow). Anything I build with LRMs has something else in weapons though, even the clan ones...and I'm not talking about a tag laser or some piddly MGs. I don't EVER just boat LRMs (as I often see on spirit bears, HGN2Cs and now some super nova As and MAD-IIC-SCs).

[Shifty McSwift]

Just more quickplay/solo queue stuff, a bunch of people have a bunch of differing expectations of assaults that can often clash in a 12 man mash up. Happens with a lot of other stuff too, different "leaders' have different methods and players can often have their own expectations of other players based on their experience etc. The chaos is self destructive in that way, you really can't expect much from 12 randoms put together, if you want cohesion and strategy, do it before you even select your mech roles in a group or unit.

More score points on the board for advancing the unit/clan/faction system to a point where such things were much easier to control, particularly in game.

Edited by Shifty McSwift, 14 April 2017 - 08:54 AM.

[Shifty McSwift]

Like if you feel like demonstrating LRM effectiveness the best way isn't just to boat LRMs in mass games for some specific results, but to group with other people who want the same or similar thing and are willing to run narc locusts and backup LRMs to better ensure it gets done right.

[Dee Eight]

Was it snuggles time with the LRM100 summoner video that had like zero armor on the mech in the group play queue, or was that molten metal ?

[Lorcryst NySell]

@Acehilator : I think you've got some IS Hunchbacks variants mixed ...

The HKB-4SP is the hunchless hunchy with quirks to SRM2/4/6 spread, while the HBK-4J is the one with lots of missile quirks (velocity, cooldown, heat generation) and specific LRM10 quirk (LRM 10 Cooldown -15%).

I actually do very well in my 4J, using a couple of Medium Lasers in the arms as backup weapons, a TAG in the headslot, 2x LRM10+A and a STD engine ...

I still use the stock STD200 engine on it, BAP for that 1000m sensor range, LRM10 cooldown and range modules, Radar Derp and Sensor Range mech modules.

I've not yet finished the Elite skills on it, so mine is a bit slow at 65 kph, but if played smartly (using cover, moving, direct LoS, etc) I can get several Kill Assists, I've even gotten KKMDs and Solo Kills in it.

But if you get caught alone, you're toast.

[Acehilator]

Lorcryst NySell, on 14 April 2017 - 09:18 AM, said:

@Acehilator : I think you've got some IS Hunchbacks variants mixed ...

The HKB-4SP is the hunchless hunchy with quirks to SRM2/4/6 spread, while the HBK-4J is the one with lots of missile quirks (velocity, cooldown, heat generation) and specific LRM10 quirk (LRM 10 Cooldown -15%).

I actually do very well in my 4J, using a couple of Medium Lasers in the arms as backup weapons, a TAG in the headslot, 2x LRM10+A and a STD engine ...

I still use the stock STD200 engine on it, BAP for that 1000m sensor range, LRM10 cooldown and range modules, Radar Derp and Sensor Range mech modules.

I've not yet finished the Elite skills on it, so mine is a bit slow at 65 kph, but if played smartly (using cover, moving, direct LoS, etc) I can get several Kill Assists, I've even gotten KKMDs and Solo Kills in it.

But if you get caught alone, you're toast.

Compare the quirk list for the -4J and the -4SP and get in touch with me again

[Skrapha]

This has been the most entertaining topic Ive ever read on this forum, watching you all argue back and forth and call each other liars is priceless. It seems some of you need a wheelbarrow to carry your prodigious Epeen in front of you, trundling it about while keeping it polished and shiny, asking everyone to gaze upon its wondrous size and girth. Dreaming of a crowd of adoring fans huddled about it, caressing and murmuring compliments about how magnificent its power is.

"Behold", you shout, "kneel before the one true lord of MWO, or feel my throbbing wrath", the crowd falls into a hush, and voices can be heard whispering, "Is he the one?, the one from the prophecy?, the one that will save us from the wrath of the demons that live in the branches of the evil skill tree?".
"Yes my children", you say, "I have come to give ye the gift of high stats and assists, the gift of manly missiles and nipple lasers", you pause dramatically,"No longer shall ye fall victim to the fallacy that is LRM assaulting and pestering the enemy with fruitless damage numbers, ye shall be victorious in battle and return with bountiful numbers of damage. And nothing but scorn for the scrubbs who ye shall crush the beneath thy feet!"

The crowd throws themselves at your feet, begging you to teach them your mighty ways, and then you pull out the mighty scroll of leadership, the scroll which has on it the scores of every man, woman, and child, who playeth the holy game.

"listen to me, all ye who strive for greatness of girth and splendor", "I have with me the holy tablets of rule, with which I shall lay out the 10 mechmandments", "for the names on the mighty scroll of leadership are to low, nay, they are false and untrue, for they speak only of incompetence and failure!". "Now listen as I speak the 10 mechmandments for all time, to be followed and lived like true disciples of the shiny robots that you are".

Firstly, thou shalt not ride thy LRM carrying assault into battle whilst other players do not
Secondly, thy finger shall always be on the "W" button, nay not the "S" button, though "A" and "D" might thy press,
Thirdly, the true believer shall call upon the holy R to call wrath upon thy enemies, and to convey blessings to thy team
Fourth, thou shalt never scorch thy brothers back with fire and steel, for thy shalt burn him gravely
Fifth, never shall thee shirk from the almighty push, for when they push, thy should push
Sixth, Cooking thyself in the face of thine enemy is ungodly and unjust
Seventh, never shall ye wander by thine self into the wilderness
Eigth, Thou shall crush the scrubbs benath thy boot, and wipe it not on your teammates
Ninth, thou shall ride to the holy circle with all haste
Tenth, when the voice from on high sayeth to target foxtrot, thou shall target foxtrot. not juileit or hotel shall thee target, only Foxtrot.

Amen.

So ends the record of Deltor, From the second age of Epeenish Shnoibus, 1284 BCR.

Edited by Skrapha, 14 April 2017 - 10:06 AM.

[Shifty McSwift]

Skrapha, on 14 April 2017 - 10:01 AM, said:

"Behold", you shout*

*citation needed

[MischiefSC]

I'm a fan of any post that includes the phrase "or feel my throbbing wrath". There's a conversation that's going places.