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[kyfire]

Naduk, on 26 April 2017 - 12:36 PM, said:

you think i am going to need 167 mechs worth of respec points ? (a full kit is 242 points)

no

i will spend the 91 points and thats it
on top of the free 91 points provided i have excessive HXP available for respec on majority of my mechs
i know what i want from my mechs, thats why they each have their own dedicated modules
i dont need to change them

if i require different tools, i get a different mech that is setup for the job

i lose out big time under this system

15200 points just sitting there locked in as skill points that i will never be able to use is WORTHLESS

@warhippy
how exactly do you expect me to acquire 167 new mechs to spend all those 15200 GSP ?
because my old mechs wont be able to use it

Actually you won't have 15200 GSP sitting there being (as you put it useless). You'll only have 7465 GSP sitting there ( enough to master 82 new mechs). Keep in mind that you will have to use the refunded GSP to remaster your current 85 mech stable.

[Dimento Graven]

Mole, on 26 April 2017 - 11:16 AM, said:

...

A module bought today that is worth 6,000,000 CBills will still be just as operational and pristine in every way, shape, and form a thousand years from now if MWO were somehow still running that far into the future.

Let's hope it is a thing in a thousand years, by then it might be balanced...

[Mole]

Dimento Graven, on 27 April 2017 - 07:16 AM, said:

Let's hope it is a thing in a thousand years, by then it might be balanced...

Hah, no. By then we'll be into the dark ages with all kinds of weird tech that nobody could ever hope to balance.

[Lily from animove]

kyfire, on 27 April 2017 - 07:14 AM, said:

Actually you won't have 15200 GSP sitting there being (as you put it useless). You'll only have 7465 GSP sitting there ( enough to master 82 new mechs). Keep in mind that you will have to use the refunded GSP to remaster your current 85 mech stable.

isn't he simply going to spent the historic skill points for that old mechs?

[Jaybles-The-PegLeg-PotatoCaptain]

kyfire, on 27 April 2017 - 07:14 AM, said:

Actually you won't have 15200 GSP sitting there being (as you put it useless). You'll only have 7465 GSP sitting there ( enough to master 82 new mechs). Keep in mind that you will have to use the refunded GSP to remaster your current 85 mech stable.

Only if he hasn't already mastered his mechs.... which he states he has. For mastering his mechs he gets 91 HSP per mastered mech. If all of his mechs are mastered then he already is getting enough HSP to master them again. He will not need, nor use the GSP.

[kyfire]

Ok, after revisiting both the announcement and the PTS, I see I was under a misconception on things. PGI, as we all know, has a sometimes convoluted way of saying things, and this is one of those thimes. My apoligizes for misunderstanding things due to the lack of PGI not totally explaining things!

[Shifty McSwift]

kyfire, on 27 April 2017 - 07:50 AM, said:

Ok, after revisiting both the announcement and the PTS, I see I was under a misconception on things. PGI, as we all know, has a sometimes convoluted way of saying things, and this is one of those thimes. My apoligizes for misunderstanding things due to the lack of PGI not totally explaining things!

Even when it is your fault it still manages to be somehow the devs fault mostly >.<

C'mon, you can't just apologise?

[Jaybles-The-PegLeg-PotatoCaptain]

kyfire, on 27 April 2017 - 07:50 AM, said:

Ok, after revisiting both the announcement and the PTS, I see I was under a misconception on things. PGI, as we all know, has a sometimes convoluted way of saying things, and this is one of those thimes. My apoligizes for misunderstanding things due to the lack of PGI not totally explaining things!

I don't blame you for misunderstanding PGI's HXP GXP MXP HSP GSP SP skill tree system.

[Khobai]

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Could some of you come along and persuade the dealer to offer the full original price as a trade in please? Because some of you are great at justifying why used goods are still worth as much as they were when new and I really want a shiny new, even better than before, car.

except there is no depreciation on modules. so your entire analogy fails. cars have depreciation. modules do not. Many years later, modules are still just as effective and reliable as they were the day you bought them. whereas cars depreciate because they become unreliable, more likely to breakdown, become rusted out, etc...

a better analogy for modules would be buying something that doesnt depreciate in value, like silver or gold coins. there might be minor fluctuations in value due to supply and demand but for the most part its value will be the same. like if you bought silver or gold during a bullish economy for example, its not going to heavily depreciate in value when it comes time to sell it.

the point is modules are not worth less now then they were they day I bought them. Only an idiot would think that. And only an idiot would happily accept less than a full refund for their modules.

id be willing to take 50% cbills and 50% GSP as a compromise. thats better than either selling my modules for only 50% cbills or trading them for 100% GSP.

Edited by Khobai, 27 April 2017 - 08:26 AM.

[kyfire]

Shifty McSwift, on 27 April 2017 - 07:54 AM, said:

Even when it is your fault it still manages to be somehow the devs fault mostly >.<

C'mon, you can't just apologise?

Come on, you can't tell me that you totally 100% of the time fully understand what PGI says.

[Dee Eight]

Jaybles, on 26 April 2017 - 11:26 AM, said:

You are delusional. PGI is taking 1.3 billion worth of equipment out of my inventory and replacing it with GSP that is useless.... because they are already giving me HSP to master my already mastered mechs in the new ST, not to mention the mounds of XP and GXP I have. I sure as hell am losing out, I'm losing a hell of a lot of time and effort I put into grinding those cbills. I'd be better off if they gave me green Christmas lights instead. At least I could put those on my mechs.

Except that 1.3 billion wasn't real money...it was PGI's virtual game money. Even modules that came as early-adopter rewards or from event prizes or supply caches...again...NEVER were real money. You're mentally assigning fantasy world values to fantasy currencies and then crying about dragons and evil wizards when that fantasy world crumbles.

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but again, please explain to me the game balance mechanic that is broken by me suddenly having a billion cbills? How does this affect game balance? Please just put forth an argument based on some rational that actually affects game balance.

Because all mechs except heroes, specials and champions eventually become available for purchase for cbills... if they injected 1.3 billion into your account then they'd basically be giving you the means to never buy a mech pack again (or at least not for a couple years), simply by waiting five or six months each time for new mechs to go to cbills, and the same happens for every other player with massive cbill injections.

[Jaybles-The-PegLeg-PotatoCaptain]

Dee Eight, on 27 April 2017 - 10:15 AM, said:

Except that 1.3 billion wasn't real money...it was PGI's virtual game money. Even modules that came as early-adopter rewards or from event prizes or supply caches...again...NEVER were real money. You're mentally assigning fantasy world values to fantasy currencies and then crying about dragons and evil wizards when that fantasy world crumbles.



Because all mechs except heroes, specials and champions eventually become available for purchase for cbills... if they injected 1.3 billion into your account then they'd basically be giving you the means to never buy a mech pack again (or at least not for a couple years), simply by waiting five or six months each time for new mechs to go to cbills, and the same happens for every other player with massive cbill injections.

Well, by exchanging things I used for things I can't use, they are pretty much guaranteeing I will never buy another mech pack ever. After all, if PGI can take my virtual goods on a whim, why would I place faith in them and make the mistake of spending real world money on things that PGI could take away on a whim?

[Dee Eight]

Jaybles, on 27 April 2017 - 12:37 AM, said:

You can try to spin it any way you want, but it comes down to this:

PGI is going to take 1.3 billion cbills worth of stuff from my inventory that is currently equipped on my mechs and give me something that I have no use for in return, unless I... Buy another mech pack.... And in the process they have gone back on a promise that the company president made to the player base.

I am not ok with this.

Because the terrorist element to the player base (cheapskates Russ called them) threw a tantrum and demanded instant re-mastery of all their mechs they weren't even playing in their pokeymech decks. Well now everyone gets instant re-mastery in the form of HSP but PGI has to do something with the module refunds that doesn't totally destabilize the game economy in the process...hence the GSP solution.

They are also refunding consumables now...something they weren't in the previous version of the skill tree being tested. So all the cheapskates who complain about the consumables they never use are now getting refunds on those. I'm getting 1500+ MC for mine, and 18,000,000 Cbills for all the regular versions in my inventory already.

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I've spent a nice chunk of change on this game. I have 257 mechs. That comes out to me acquiring 4 mechs a month since I started playing. Most are mastered and the ones that aren't I really have no interest in playing, unless the quirk gods be kind. I'm going to receive 29,780 GSP. that is enough to put 91 skills on 327 mechs. Even if I grind enough to buy 4 mechs a month. It would take me... carry the one... 6 and half years to use all that GSP....

Unless you BOUGHT with real dollars, every one of those 257 mechs... no...you probably haven't spent quite the same chunk of change a lot of us other whales have.

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As I said in another thread, I'm sitting on a whopping 30 million cbills. I was saving that for bushwackers. But now, I probably won't buy another mech for a long long time. I've got to grind all those cbills again to go buy new tech in PGI's next upcoming cbill sink.

Oh how quaint...you consider 30 million as whopping.

Banked Premium Time: 16,560 Hours [Activate 30 Days of Premium Time]
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60,962,581

Edited by Dee Eight, 27 April 2017 - 10:37 AM.

[Jaybles-The-PegLeg-PotatoCaptain]

I mean If you want to start adding it up, I've bought 18 complete packs including clan wave 1-3 and resistance 1 and 2. and 2 partial packs as well as a couple clan heroes.

And I consider 30 mil chump change since it realistically gets me maybe 2 mechs fully kitted out.

[Heffay]

Jaybles, on 27 April 2017 - 10:56 AM, said:

I mean If you want to start adding it up, I've bought 18 complete packs including clan wave 1-3 and resistance 1 and 2. and 2 partial packs as well as a couple clan heroes. And I consider 30 mil chump change since it realistically gets me maybe 2 mechs fully kitted out.

Post your ledger. Let's see how screwed you are really getting.

[Jaybles-The-PegLeg-PotatoCaptain]

I'll be happy to, in about 6 hours. It's only 11 AM here and that whole work thing you know.

But in the mean time, please explain exactly what you argument is? That somehow because I am getting 'more' or 'less' screwed in your opinion I should be upset or happy with it?

Answer me this?

How does it affect you in any way shape or form? Why are you so dead set against me getting a full refund of cbills of the modules I bought? Does it affect game balance in anyway? Are you impacted by the amount of cbills or GSP in my account? Why are you so against the current system going live but with the small change of giving people the option to choose cbills or GSP? Why does it matter to you if I have infinite XP or a billion cbills?

[Heffay]

Jaybles, on 27 April 2017 - 11:27 AM, said:

I'll be happy to, in about 6 hours. It's only 11 AM here and that whole work thing you know.

But in the mean time, please explain exactly what you argument is? That somehow because I am getting 'more' or 'less' screwed in your opinion I should be upset or happy with it?

Answer me this?

How does it affect you in any way shape or form? Why are you so dead set against me getting a full refund of cbills of the modules I bought? Does it affect game balance in anyway? Are you impacted by the amount of cbills or GSP in my account? Why are you so against the current system going live but with the small change of giving people the option to choose cbills or GSP? Why does it matter to you if I have infinite XP or a billion cbills?

You're not getting screwed at all. You're going to save countless hours with this new system. And the more mechs you have, the more you benefit. We're reaping a cornucopia of time savings and . Oh, and from all the consumables we got from events.

And you are getting a full refund of all modules you bought after MechCon, which was the first time you EVER heard about modules going away. You're asking for a full refund for modules you knew DAMN WELL you could only get 50% of your back. You're not asking for fair compensation. You're asking for excess compensation. WAY excess, since we are already getting excess compensation for this change.

It doesn't affect me one bit if you do get full for all your modules. But I do recognize when someone is acting entitled, and I just feel the need to point that out.

[Quicksilver Aberration]

Heffay, on 27 April 2017 - 11:36 AM, said:

You're not getting screwed at all. You're going to save countless hours with this new system. And the more mechs you have, the more you benefit.

Actually, there is diminishing returns on the benefit because eventually you will have more GSP than you can reasonably use where as c-bills for those same people can be used much more often especially with new tech on the horizon.

Heffay, on 27 April 2017 - 11:36 AM, said:

But I do recognize when someone is acting entitled

Sorry, but entitled has become a dirty word when it really shouldn't, because everyone acts entitled, the question is whether the community at large feels that entitlement is justified. I just want to distinguish that because it is a serious pet peeve of mine, that changed perception of the word causes serious issues when trying to have an objective conversation.

Edited by Quicksilver Kalasa, 27 April 2017 - 11:44 AM.

[Jaybles-The-PegLeg-PotatoCaptain]

Heffay, on 27 April 2017 - 11:36 AM, said:

You're not getting screwed at all. You're going to save countless hours with this new system. And the more mechs you have, the more you benefit. We're reaping a cornucopia of time savings and . Oh, and from all the consumables we got from events.

And you are getting a full refund of all modules you bought after MechCon, which was the first time you EVER heard about modules going away. You're asking for a full refund for modules you knew DAMN WELL you could only get 50% of your back. You're not asking for fair compensation. You're asking for excess compensation. WAY excess, since we are already getting excess compensation for this change.

It doesn't affect me one bit if you do get full for all your modules. But I do recognize when someone is acting entitled, and I just feel the need to point that out.

As has been explained by multiple people many different ways.

I'm not getting a refund for the modules I bought before Dec 2016. FULL STOP.

PGI is removing those from my account.

PGI is placing in my account something I did not buy. Something I did not ask for. And something I do not need.

Telling me it is all sunshine and rainbows does not change the fact that PGI is removing X and replacing it with Y. And Telling me Y is better than X does not make it so.

Telling me that I should go sell those modules for whatever price does not change what PGI IS DOING.

Edited by Jaybles, 27 April 2017 - 11:49 AM.

[CDLord HHGD]

Horrible metaphor. Code doesn't depreciate like a physical item does.

Having said that, I'm going to vote with my wallet and NOT buy any more content until they implement the skill tree.